http://www.dogster.com/dogs/369585 - This is Charley - he's my baby. He's 9 months old and now weighs 51 lbs - and he's still growing - so much for my "little dog" that I thought I was getting... I need to update his pictures...
foosdog, thanks for the compliments. Charlie hunts grouse with me. We also just started showing him in the ring. He's never met a berry briar he didn't like LOL Rhoda doesn't hunt but enjoys romping through the woods w/Charlie. Derry is a prospective show pup and Darby is a family pet. And "Aunt" Ellie just herds everyone around....
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Hello Irishacres: plrcdh here: Question: Remember when you mentioned that one dog got "knocked up" by another in your clan was it RHoda and ellie? I don't know whether you "named names" I can't remember for the moment Your babies are very pretty
plrchdhlvr, Charlie knocked up Rhoda. It was a planned litter. I'm glad that you remembered my sarcastic post. Ellie was spayed at approximately 6 months of age.
When Rhoda finishes her show career she will also be spayed.
Once again thanks for the compliments.
To answer foosdog, I've heard of the red setter. I have never seen one nor do I know much about them. My impression is that they are a derative of the IS.
There are many kennels out there with websites that claim they have different types of IS, field/hunting and show type. I have never really checked out the differences other than some have better looking pedigrees then the other variety and some look more like an IS then the others. I look at these "breeders/kennels" through suspicious eyes.
If you cross an ES w/IS you get mutt, pure and simple. Would it be a good hunting dog? I have no idea. Charlie comes from a line of show dog champs. But as a puppy he was introduced to the wilds of northern Wis and introduced to grouse. He loves it...He also had fun last weekend strutting his stuff as well.
The breed Irish Red Setter was developed in Ireland in the 1700s from the Old Spanish Pointer, setting spaniels, and early Scottish setters.
"I quess in the end we all have mutts!"
The Irish Setter's name in Gaelic is Madra rua or "red dog". Originally, the Irish Setter was bred for hunting, specifically for setting or pointing upland gamebirds. They are similar to other members of the setter family such as the English Setter and Gordon Setter. Irish Setters are extremely swift, with an excellent sense of smell and are hardy over any terrain and in any climate. The Irish Setter is used for all types of hunting. It even works well on wetlands.
Today, the Irish Setter is more commonly found as a companion and family pet.
I have always hated how the show ring has ruined breeds I was not advocating a novelty dog for looks or just a name but to improve what has been lost! But as a show person you should consider what used to be a hunting breed and realize what it is now.
You will see that "The Boy" spends more time out and about then you realize.
I have had IS for 25 years, and I make no apologies about them, hunters or non-hunters. Charlie will be 5 in less than a month. This past weekend was his first dog show. The only reason why I showed him was my daughter has a female that she shows and she's been trying to get me to show. So that being said, I love those red heads.
If I misunderstood you about the crossing of IS/ES I apologize. As I stated in my past post there are setter kennels/breeders who claim they have good hunters. To my eye, they look a little less refined than the ones who have artsy-fartsy pedigrees. And I do have concerns about kennels which have 2 or 3 differnt styles of IS and have several litters of each variety at one time.
I got burned a couple of times over the years. And when I got my boy I wanted a setter of excellent health clearances, etc. He did come from a show family. But when he was 7 mos old he was out and about bird hunting. He has seen more grouse and woodcock then he has seen show rings.
I hope that clairifies things a bit. If you would like to discuss this more you can reach me at *You had your chance* PS You didn't ruffle my feathers.
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