These are the two mixed breed types of husky that I use. I wanted to clarify a few things with them. I suaully refer to them both as Alaskans to the general public. Most people these days know what an Alaskan is, but the Eurohound is tightly kept within sled dog groups.
Alaskans Huskies are not a breed. They are a type of husky that is bred to be more effective than Siberians and other racing huskies. It has been bred since sled dog racing/pulling came to be important. The dogs have no standards, since they are so often bred with other breeds. Within the Alaskan, there are different categories. Some are bred for distance, others are bred for freight and sprint. So some of these dogs may not even look to be like the typical husky that most people invision pulling mushers on sleds in teams. http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k10/huskyhauler/playtime5467.jpg This is two of my own dogs, the left dog is an Alaskan Husky adolescent. The other is a fully grown Canadian Inuit at 46kilos. Regardless of that, they are still huskies, and are still preferred to purebreds in many areas, if not most.
Eurohounds originally developed from Scandinavian views. They were generally Alaskan Huskies crossed with Pointers, or similar birddogs. Today, there are many different breeds used. Sometimes, you breed so far away from the common husky look, that you get dogs that are about 5% Siberian, and the rest is hound. The dogs are hardy, fast, and extremely energetic and good natured. http://www.sdas.org.uk/images/finch2.jpg This dog is 1/4 Pointer, the rest is Alaskan Husky. Ina shelter, he'd probably be identified as some sort of herding dog or shepherd. They just don't really tend to resemble the traditional look, for the most part. It's not just the breeds that make these dogs true Eurohound, it's the lines. They were originally picked from specific sledding lines with the best dogs, best energy, etc. So just taking any old Siberian, breeding it to any other dog, then mixing in Pointer doesn't guarantee anything as far as the dog's performance. The performance is what counts in these dogs, not the coat colour, length or eye colour, though there is an endless variety of coats.
You're welcome. After the apparent mix-up and insults on the other thread regarding my dog, I figured I'd clear up as much as possible right here. The second picture linked is not my dog, the first are both mine though. :)
Your dogs are beautiful! I really love the red one. I don't understand what makes some people so rude on the internet, I doubt they're like that in their real lives. I believe the anonymity of the internet lets people say things that they would never express to someone's face. I disagree with many people on here, but I don't need to tell them so unless they might injure their pet. Even then I would be polite about it and respect others' opinions.
Thanks for the info, It cleared a good couple things up for me. I have a friend that has 16 huskies and races most of them are the pionter mix types. I had a friends who had one as a pet only and that dog went nuts I tryed to explain that this typ of dog is bred only to race she wouldn't listen, i just e-mailed your thread to her. Hope it gets her thinking.
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thanks for the post HH. i always thought alaskan huskies were a breed. many many years ago a client had adopted a retired racer from the woman who does the iditarod ( i forgot her name ) and when we asked him what kind of dog it was ( because it didn't look like a sibe ) he said it was an alaskan husky. so i just always thought they were in fact a breed.
i have a question ...... since the eurohounds are a combination of pointer, how much of the pointer's coat do they retain in the breeding ? pointers do not have a coat that would be conducive to being kept outdoors and raced in extreme cold weather. so how do you deal with that aspect ? the one picture you posted, that dog looked like he had a very short coat but i couldnt tell if he had the double coat that the husky does. do they produce more of a husky type coat or do you get the occasional throwback to a pointer coat ? if you do, then what do you do with the ones with the single shorter coat ?
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Hailey your dogs are awesome and you have some beautiful land where you are! Do you own a nice big piece or use much of it?
Scout, many people consider the Alaskan to be a breed, as in a breed apart from the Siberian, which it is. But they are not bred Alaskan/Alaskan as frequently. They are outcrossed too much to be fully considered a breed. As for the coat on the Eurohound, they usually retain a coat good enough for the winter weathers up here. They were first bred in Scandinavia, and they have HARSH winters, even some of their summers are like my winters. What was originally done with throwback dogs, I have no idea. I don't personally breed them enough to have had much experience with that coat type, but no breeder I know will kill a puppy that cannot be worked. Any dog that is a throwback is usually placed in a home where the owners are experienced with the type of energy and drive these dogs have, regardless of coat. Most probably with homes that have a sled dog yard out back too. That's who is mostly attracted to these dogs. And, the throwback dogs can still be used to race, they just wont do well in racing in snow unless they are kept warm somehow. In the summer, there is still work they can do, and races they can go through, it's just a little different from what most are used to seeing.
Aleczandra, that's a shame that your friend won't work her dog. What type of dog is it? A Sibe, Alaskan, Euro? Or just a drivey northern breed? Hopefully she can get him into something. It doesn't have to be sledding either. There are several winter dog sports, and other sports that these dogs excel in that have nothing to do with the winter!
She has a husky pionter, and he's all over the place all the time... :S I pull a sliegh with Luke but on wheels cause we don't have much snow.. I tried training her pooch to pull but he's soo exited I can't handle him.. I had it easy Luke just took to it like a fish in water. What other activities are there I'm interested for my own part as well...
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I'm sorry, I don't understand. Why is it okay for HH (or anybody else for that matter) to cross-breed dogs to produce offspring that combine the best of a number of breeds in order to get, ostensibly, the best sled-dogs, but not okay for somebody else to breed two different purebreds to combine the best of both breeds to get, apparently, the best, for example, companion dogs? Truly, I'm at a loss to logically assimilate this seeming contradiction. There have got to be lots of mixed dogs like this: http://www.sdas.org.uk/images/finch2.jpg in the shelters. Clue me in, please!
Is it okay to cross-breed if you have a purpose in mind and that purpose is proven time and time again?
(HH, please believe I'm not attacking you, I just want to understand what seems to me to be a contradiction to the way I think and feel about breeding, and thank you for expanding my knowledge about Huskies!)
Gbroxon, I was thinking the same thing. HH, I know you said you don't know anyone personally that kills pups that won't work out, but I'm sure there are mushers that do. Really, how many homes are there for high energy, driven sled dogs that can't make the grade? Aren't there enough sled dog mixes in shelters for running?
Huskyhauler, I have 2 acres of land, in eastern CT, 1 acre is fenced in just for the pups, we do skijoring, sledding, and use a wheeled rig, as well as springer bike attachment's to run our dogs. They have free run of their yard, and can come in, and out as they please through out the day.
I sell my dogs for the exact same price as my purebreds...these dogs have been bred for hundreds of years, Puggles and Pomapoos haven't. They are bred for profit. I health test all of my dogs. I don't breed them because someone else asked me for something in particular. I only sell to homes where the dogs will be worked. I keep up with all of them.
"Gbroxon, I was thinking the same thing. HH, I know you said you don't know anyone personally that kills pups that won't work out, but I'm sure there are mushers that do. Really, how many homes are there for high energy, driven sled dogs that can't make the grade? Aren't there enough sled dog mixes in shelters for running?"
There aren't as many as you think. There are very few mushers who have entire teams of rescues. These dogs are bred from certain lines that have extremely high drive. Shelter dogs generally consits of dogs that do not have this drive. A high drive dog is prized, and usually not given up. I always point my buyers in the direction of the shelter before they buy a puppy. However, 99% of the time, what they are actually looking for is not there. These dogs are not just sold to anyone with a wallet full of money. If an owner is going to give up a dog, most breeders here are more than happy to take it back and rehome it or keep it as their own. I say that for the breeders who are responsible. Can't stand up for those I don't agree with.
We are not working to create dogs for the average person. They are working dogs. They literally make HORRIBLE pets. So they are not sold to pet homes. Someone with low-energy companion dogs who had never owned a high energy dog would be miserable with one of these crosses. They would have way too much on their hands. "Hybrid" dog breeders don't breed for this. That's the biggest difference. They breed for the pet market, because that's the only place those dogs can go. They don't better breeds, because there is no breed to better. They don't better any niche, because it has been filled by hundreds of other breeds already. They claim to have healthier dogs, but I can tell you know that's just a load of money hungry crap. I've had health problems in some purebreds and in some mixes. For the most part, both have been equally healthy. I actually test my dogs for things that they are predisposed to. I have no problem doing it. I won't sit back and say that some of my mixes haven't had health issues, or some of my pures haven't had health issues, either.
There's a big difference in breeders like me breeding for performance while keeping close hawk eyes on health, and people who breed mutts because their buyers asked for them, who don't health test, don't better any breeds because they are making it up as they go, and have no sort of standard to follow by at all. They are going for whatever people will buy.