I'm still new at this so I hope this isnt a repeat question. I have a 5 month old male blue heeler pup named Koda. Koda isnt in training because i live in a small town where there is only one trainer and she has become very ill. So for now I am left to my own devices which as a first time dog owner doesnt seem to be easy or going well! my problem with Koda is that he doesnt seem to like other people or dogs. When ever a person comes up to him his hair goes up and he barks and growls and goes infront of me or my kids. I know this kind of dog is very much into protecting his family but this seems a little much. I have even walked over to the people i dont know and hugged them trying to show Koda that its ok and they are ok people. The same thing happens with other dogs.. If the dog doesnt pay any attention to him and is bigger then him he barks and growls like crazy, if its smaller he seems to want to dominate it. Koda is great with my kids and my family,he is never otherwise aggresive, He enjoys going to at least 2 new places a week. But when it comes to meeting new people and other dogs I'm worried that he isnt going to learn the proper way to act because i dont know how to go about teacher him. He knows the comand 'leave it' but he just goes beyond listening when he sees 'strangers'. If anyone has any suggestions i would greatly appreciate it. thank you!
I would ask strangers (or you could have friends come over to help) if they would give your dog a treat. Your pup would learn that "hey.. going to see new people is good because i'm getting treats". You could try carrying around a water pistol with you, when he starts getting to big for his britches give him a squirt with a loud no... praise like crazy when he is being nice.
I would have a special treat you only use when he is nice around new people. Perhaps hotdogs or cheese (something he doesnt get on a regular basis).
Is there a dog park you could take him to? Or any other trainers that are around your town?
There aren't any specific dog parks here, and the one lady that is ill is the only person ive found that trains dogs here. Ive even went as far as to put an add in the newspaper looking for some one who knows how to dog train. I didnt think about the treat aspect when someone new comes along, I will give that a try.. Im crossing my fingers that it works! Thanks!!
I've read a lot about blue heelers and dogs with their behavoir. Most of what i have read has said if you use physical punishment with your dog they are more likley to be aggresive in the future..The last thing i need is for my dog to turn on one of my children or on someone else because he fells threated by them. Although i appreciate your advice i dont think that it is the answer I am looking for. Today is day one with the treats, I have some nice smelly jerkey for him.. we are going to a park were I have some friends coming to try it out.
I'm brand new here but have raised, owned and competed with Queensland Heelers most of my life Im now 52. Although you "fluffy" owners may not want to hear it but Dr.Hogan is correct in his application. We had for many years just put up with this type of behavior because they are heelers. We used the type of training mentioned in this thread by others with no solid or predictable results. In 1986 we had the unfortunate opportunity to be involved in a "dog bite" court case in which Dr.Hogan was providing professional witness testimony for. The short of it is that Hogan's testimony saved this dogs life. We then asked him how we could prevent this from happening again. His demonstration with our own dogs that we had raised and trained was simply amazing!!! His explanation of application was simple to understand and once we saw it in action it was common sense! All of our dogs go through this simple process as a precautionary safety measure. I know he doesn't care to toot his own horn but he simply does not give bad advice. Anything he advises has been utilized by himself in a controled environment and closely documented and evaluated for its overall humane factor and success. I actually remember these words used by the lawyer in the court room!
Why would you flame someone providing advice for a problem as requested? I do not need to defend Mr. Hogan he is perfect able to do that himself. As for your attack on me! You demonstrate a great deal of inmaturity in your comments as I've seen them on this board. I'm sorry if I offended you but I just stated my experience with a professional that solved a very real and seemingly unmanageble problem for my family and our dogs. By the way I believe his Ph.D. is in the behavioral sciences and I know his studies were conducted with dogs.
Just a question for Dr. Hogan. Your advice sounds a lot like a stock horse trainer that I used to know that was primarily west coast style although he knew eastern style but rode and trained west, back when there was a sizable difference between the two in the show ring. You could tell the difference in the way they rode in seat and hand. He used to ride with Lindy Burch. Just wondering if you have much experience with horses and where it came from.
DRHOGAN & WC, same IP addey. DRHOGAN, perhaps your methods work well enough for you to support your own position (or have another household member do so), you will find very little support for negative reinforcement training on this forum. Members here are far more supportive of positive reinforcement.
"Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful".
tatersmom Yes I'm from the west and I have and do work and train Reined cow horses, cutters, and reiners but have not had the pleasure of meeting or knowing the gentleman you mentioned. My work with horses is only as a novice but you have made a great observation. The same basic principles of behavior and behavior modification easily applies to both dogs and horse. Good luck in your endeavors.
No, Lindy Burch was not the gentlemen that I know/knew. But he had worked along side the likes of HER. Lindy Burch was the first woman president of NCHA, the first woman to win NCHA Futurity and World Championship and set record high scores for the events which I dont know if they have broke yet and owns the Hall Of Fame horse that got there which is now the dam to her senior stallion. Even if you didnt keep up with names hers and her horses are hard to miss.
His name was Bruce Medinger, you probably dont know him. He used to live and train in California but I knew him in Missouri and he moved and havent heard from him in years. He taught me a lot about training and riding stock horses. He said he had issues with people not the horses on why he moved and got out because he was not training when I met him but was shoeing and one day while working with a young horse and he was shoeing, he offered advice and things just took off from there. His issue when training horses is when people take the horse home and dont want to learn how to ride their show horses and cant get it to do what they want and end up reversing the training and then they blame the trainer. Thats why I mostly just train my own young horses and then sell them with a free riding lesson. I also get the right genetics into them that make them better to work with. I could talk horse forever so I will get off here right now.
Well, it has been about a week now since I've started taking Koda out into a 'set up' socialization setting. The first few days he was not to impressed then by the third day he was starting to tolerate it..Now, He is acctualy starting to enjoy the company of other people and other dogs! I got a hold of the people we got him from and asked them questions and they have had this type of dog in their family for 20+ years..They said NO phisical force and anyone that does use force with these dogs is asking for trouble later on. Maybe i am not understanding what this Dr. guy is saying but just the attitude alone from the posts shows me that this person doesnt seem to have much patients. When he says: "If you don't want my advice then don't use it but if you end up in a liability situation one day that causes this dog to have to be "killed" I hope that you suffer the same consequences!!!" I mean come on, If you post a reply to someones question and they decide it is best not to use that information that you provided, I dont believe death wishes on a person are the best way to get your point across. When you put your thoughts and comments on here they will be debated and tossed around sometimes people will agree and others wont, Anyway enough time wasted on that! I thank all of you for the usefull information,MericoX19 the treats are working very well, from there i am going to gradualy switch the 'reward' from a treat to a 'good boy' with a nice pat. He is really enjoying being out and about now! I am amazed at how well he is doing in such a short time! I am going to keep this up everyday.. and another note which is good news for us, the trainer who had fallen ill will be back in the swing of things the start of June.. so we will be in school too!! Thanks everyone!
Koda, so happy for you that things are progressing as well as they are. I know you're looking forward to the trainer being back on her feet and classes starting up. Meanwhile, your patience seem to be paying off nicely.
A bit of advice, don't be upset if things seem to take a step backward every once in a while. It happens from time to time.
I have to agree with on your reply to our new members who seems to feel it is appropriate to issue death wishes to those who dare to disagree. Uncalled for and totally unacceptable.
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"Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful".