Hi everyone, this is my second thread here- I really appreciated everyone's input a few months ago about me getting puppies.
I got 2 puppies 3 months ago, a small Maltese little girl and a little boy Chihuahua.
The Maltese has been sick since I got her, and no one seems to be able to help me. I am desperate here since I unfortunately have a bunch of horrible stuff going on in my life, and it's almost like my breaking point :(
I have seen 4 vets and we don't seem to be getting anywhere.
About a week after I brought my puppies home (pet store) the little girl got sick. When I woke in the morning, her stomach was growling and she refused to eat. A few hours later she began pooping pure mucus that later in the day became bloody. at around 2-3 PM she starting feeling better, and ate. She had a normal Bowel movement at around 8 PM.
She was fine the next day, but then a cycle started happening where she got sick in the same way every 5-10 days. It always starts in the morning with her stomach "growling" and refusing to eat, followed by bloody mucus. She is pretty normal between episodes, except her stool has always been in small "pieces" and recently she is a little skittish about eating in general.
She was eating Caesar Puppy food and Science hill puppy small bites initially. First I stopped the dry food, I thought she got sick after eating too much of that. It didn't work.
We tried a yellow pill (I forgot the name, I think it starts with an "A" and supposedly an anti-inflammatory for the large intestines. She took it 10 days, was fine, but the episode happened 2 days after we stopped it.
She was checked for worms, was negative, but was treated anyway with panacure/sulfamethoxan/trimethoprim, and flagyl. I don't think it's infectious, since the boy puppy hasn't gotten sick- and unfortunately he eats her poop sometimes :(
The episodes kept happening.
They started to happen more frequently. The vet had me change to a high fiber wet food and add pepcid. She then got sicker-having episodes almost every day, and also started vomiting. One episode lasted for 12 hours pooping piles of mucus with blood shooting out of her bottom.
I then decided to stop all pet food and only give her boiled chicken and rice. She was doing great for 6 days-eating on her own, energetic ... but then she got sick again (last Wednesday) so I went to the 4th vet. He checked blood work-all was normal. He switched her to low residue diet eukanuba and added tylan powder to each meal.
So that's where I am now-she had been episode free for 7 days, but has now been "spitting up" or having acid reflux multiple times a day. So I am also giving pepcid.
The vets keep saying this might be food allergy, but I don't believe it. We changed her diet to often, and why would it be episodic?
Has anyone seen this sort of episode before-so episodic-with normal behavior in between?
Also, she hates the low residue food, but the vet wants me to keep her on it for another week, or until another episode happens.
Plus, because we are trying to cut everything out of her diet I can't even give my little boy puppy any treats :(
The pet store "offered" to give me another puppy, and return her. Are they kidding?! she's my baby and I won't abandon her!
They are paying the vet bills up to her value. She was expensive, but with the prices the vets are charging in Manhattan, the money will run out way before they get a diagnosis.
I'm sorry, it wasn't called irritable Bowel Disease, it's called inflammatory Bowel disease. He would be fine for a few days and then his symptoms would return. I changed his diet around and he has been fine for about 3 1/2 months now. It seemed like chicken caused his symptoms to flare up.
I bought the yorkie when he was 10 months old. About three days after I got him he started to vomit. He vomited twice one day, then he would be okay for about 3-4 days, then he would vomit again and so on for about a month. He suddly got worse and had diarrhea with mucos and blood and would not eat at all. The vet kept him for 6 days and put him metronidazole for two weeks. I now just feed him Diamond dry puppy food and boiled hamburger meat, and tuna in spring water. I don't feed him any can food or table scraps. I think stress also could cause Inflammatory Bowel Disease to flare up.
I'm so sorry you're having such difficulties! Did you have a health guarantee or any other written guarantee against congenital defects? If so, you may have other legal recourse than just having the vet bills covered up to her original purchase price. If the cause of her illness runs in her blood lines, the original breeder should be responsible. I don't know much about New York State laws, but I'm sure that there's a way to find out. Feeding tuna fish if the chicken irritates her intestinal lining is ok, but could cause other problems later on if it's used as a main source of nutrition (Aside from how expensive it gets!) Although I haven't used it myself, I do know that Flint River Ranch brand food is very well tolerated by most dogs, especially those with food sensitivities. You could also look into the Wellness line (I think it's by Nutro). All of the ingredients in Wellness are safe for human consumption. I like them because they include flaxseed oil, blueberries, cranberries, etc.
First off the foods you're feeding her aren't really the best foods as they contain a lot of corn and some of them wheat glutein (which is what was recalled) If it is a food allergy you need to get her on a food that has NO WHEAT and you should probably lean towards a venision, salmon, etc. not chicken...chicken is increasing in pet allergies. The Wellness brand is great there's also California Natural which is amazing for pets with allergies. In all honesty you should try to find a holistic type pet store just because they do carry the better brands. Seriously just about anything you can get from wal-mart or something is horrible for your pets, with lot's of fillers, corn, etc. The natural stuff is a little more expensive but since you have 2 tiny dogs you don't really have to buy that much anyway lol....I hope you find out what's wrong with your baby!
I know the one thing that always has worked for me is to take good hamburger with some rice and boil it. Once the hamburger looks gray and the rice puffs it is done. Let it cool and just give her a teaspoon. Then see what happens. I have used this for years on several dogs and upset stomachs. I wish you could see my vet here in Huntsville, Alabama. He is great. Also my step-daughter and her husband are vets and they have agreed it is a starting option. One thing they did say is that x-rays should be done if the hamburger doesn't work since she could of ate something that is really blocking her intestines. The vet has to look at the x-rays very carefully to see it sometimes. A friend had a dog that did this and my step-daughter has operated on several that has done this. The friends went to 4 vets and finally the 4th one saw it. It was a small piece of the soft rubber ball.
In regards to the "corn/wheat gluten fillers" in foods: Eukanuba does now offer a Lamb & Rice formula that has NO corn, NO wheat, and I believe NO soy. It's a new product, and may be worth looking into. Holistic dog foods are great to feed if you can find them. Kind of a big IF. And if you do find a good one, just hope that you or the store you go to don't relocate. I've had that problem before; not being able to find what I fed when I lived somewhere else. I'm not entirely sure if it's relevant, but sometimes humans get a buildup of residuals and non-digestables in their intestinal walls. Especially if the normal intestinal flora (good bacterias) are absent. It can be caused by stress, foods, other bacterias, medications, etc. There are "colonic diet" type things that humans can do to clear out the pipes, and then ways to get that intestinal flora back to it's appropriate levels. I'm thinking that perhaps this is something that can happen to dogs as well, especially since they ingest foods that we developed for them from our own biological needs. Something to run by the vet, anyways.
The pet store guarantees against genetic defects for one year, but I think this will be difficult to prove that it's genetic. Even if a colonoscopy is done-which some vets mentioned, I don't know if they will say colitis is genetic.
So far the baby has been well for 9 days on low residue diet, and tylan powder. If she stays well for at least 14 days-which will be the longest period of her being well for the past 3 months, I will introduce a new food without chicken, or other things that she could be allergic to. one vet told me to get puppy food with rabbit and peas in it?
ANYTIME you buy from a pet store you are buying a puppy mill puppy. They are sick most of the time and die. Sorry to tell you this but it is the truth.
I would get that puppy to another vet ASAP so they can help you. Some members from TP have spent thousands of dollars nursing their puppy mill babies to health.
I have a puppy mill rescue from the shelter that I named Blaze. I won't even add up the vet bills but I was really lucky. She only had coccidia(that took months to diagnose) worms and potty training was something that took me close to a year!!
This same thing is happening with my new puppy which also is a maltese, Louie is now 4 1/2 months old.
He has had the runs since the day i got him, I kept him on the same food that he was on, royal canie. I took Louie to the vet with in 2 days of having him and thinking he had coccida because of the watery stool and also bloody mucus. Louie still was very playful and ate and drank fine and acted like nothing was wrong, No fever . So the vet did a stool sample which tested neg for everything he tested for. Said he thought it was colitis and sent him home with a antibotic and anther med which i forgot. Still I have had Louie for gosh almost 3 months alittle longer i think and every day he has bloody diarhea at least 6-10 times a day. Some times just ver little amts but still it seems he goes after every time he eats. and plus more threw out the day. I have taken him back to the vet office and the vet hasnt been helpful at all. I know something has to be wrong but im not gettng anywhere with the vet ,. It breaks my heart for Louie to have to go threw this, even tho like i said hes very happy and playful and he doenst throw up - never has he done that.
I have giving Louie pepto and also some med from the vet for diarhea and also vomiting which doesnt help at all. ive done the rice and boiled burger along with rice and chicken breast. Never really see a change enough to keep with it longer then a week. The vet at first thought it was treats or something my other dogs have around the house that he was eating and it was upsetting his stomach, Its been months seems like it would of worked its way out of his system My other dogs arent sick . Ive tried the low residue food with Daisy when she was sick when i got her over a year ago and it didnt really work and i do have cans still in my cupboard but that was recalled and im going to take back to petsmart for a refund
What should i demand that my vet do to figure out what is wrong with Louie? I know it has to be something with his intestines, I have IBS myself and know the pain that it causes, Louie never seems to be in pain tho, Oh i did read a thread on here about the dog food royal canie and that her pup also had runny stools and figured it was this dog food so her vet told her to use Nutro or diamond so i went to the store and got a bag of nutro for puppies and tried to mix it so it woudnt be a big shock to any of my dogs bellys but no one would eat it. ANd then i found out that royal is better then nutro so far ive jsut kept them on it. Should i try switching? THe breeder had him on this food from the day he was weaned from his mohter and then my aunt also had him on this food. I wish my little guy was a normal pup. He cant sleep with us because he can hold his pee threw the night but he poops all threw the night. He hates it that the other dogs are in bed with us and he sleeps on his bed next to me on the floor with potty pads all over and around him. Please let me know where i should start and what should i do? I need to go back to the vet again and have him check Louie and do something. None of the meds hes giving me helps and he cant go on like this im sure the vet could figure something out if he really wanted to. SHould i take him off his normal dog food? and just do teh rice and burger? just seems nothing has helped so i just dont kow what to do to help him
I agree with some of the above statements...try using a pet food that is natural with no fillers. I also use the Diamond puppy food and it's fantastic!! It's about $25 for a 40 lb bag (at least it is in Arkansas)but I had the same problem with a cat. It turns out the one time that we let her out she contracted something from a neighborhood cat that involved diahrea with blood. They gave her a liqiud medication, I believe it was something like Alpurenol (don't quote me on that, I'll have to look at her records to make sure) but it seemed to help. I'm sorry your baby is having such a hard time. Unfortunatley, when you buy from a petstore, you don't really know what you're getting or where they came from and they usually don't know the backround of your pet. But they're doing the right thing buy paying for the bills. Have you done research on the internet?? I'm sure you have.