I went and had dinner at my mothers house tonight, as she called and invited me. This is the first we've really spoke since we had our argument. My moms boyfriend decided to feed his little mini schnauzer a cooked pork rib bone. I didn't want to overstep my bounds, but I told him that dogs weren't supposed to eat ANY bone.. and he continuously told me that "that just referred to chicken bones". If I remember, that's all bones that are cooked. Am I right?
I buy soup bones from my butcher. Heavy beef bones with little meat on them. I put them in a pot with celery, onion, spices and bring to a boil. They then slow boil anywhere from 4 - 6 hours sometimes longer. As the liquid dissolves I add more.
When I think it is time I save the broth, (makes fabulous gravy, soup etc) and I check the bone carefully for sharp edges etc. Then I give it to Rocky, Vet says as long as I check the bone carefully he sees nothing wrong with giving it to Rocky.
I did 4 bones three weeks ago, Rocky had one, I froze the other ones, and it took him almost 2 weeks to get it to the point where I finally threw it out. I agree with Windy, I honestly don't see anything different with this than buying those bones from the pet store, and this way I get broth.
I have no idea if certain types of bones are breed specific when it comes to giving or not.. but for my breed, the Labs, not in this life time would I ever give pork bones or chicken bones. I do know people whose dogs were splintered internally from them. Even steak bones... so so careful. The large all natural bones without fillers that can NOT be chewed and I find in stores, those I will give.
I also know others that have large breeds and had a disaster with certain bones... was sad.
My boy gets RAW bones a lot, except for the weight-bearing bones (shanks, knucklebones, etc., a/k/a "soup bones") of aged ungulates (cows, deer, moose, etc.), which are known for wrecking teeth (sometimes known as "[w]rec[k]reational" bones"), regardless of whether they're raw or cooked. Never any cooked bones (regardless of the way they were cooked) because of the risk of splintering.
I give him [raw] chicken bones, pork rib bones, lamb shanks, among others. Any bone that he is given, however, is still wrapped in the meat God gave it. For instance, I don't just give him just the bones of a 1/4 chicken. I give him the meat and bones of a 1/4 chicken. I don't just give him pork rib bones, he gets a 1/2 rack of [raw] meaty pork ribs (not too often...they're pricey LOL!).
Cooking bones tends to dry them out and makes them more apt to splinter into shards that can cause perforations in the digestive system.
The BARF diet includes bones. Bones are fine as long as they are not cooked. Cooked bones are the worse. We lost one of our Boxers to cooked Pork bones, did exactually what happned to LOR's Riley only Sam wasn't so lucky.
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Of course, you're entitled to your opinion, Savannah! But just to keep the playing field level, I'll opine that #1, most vets don't support raw diets, mainly, IMO, because their education in dog nutrition is seriously lacking and #2, anything you give or allow access to can become a choking hazard and/or an obstruction risk to your dog(s), even kibble (I'll bet your vet can tell you other choking/obstruction horror stories that didn't involve raw or cooked bones). The key, once again IMO, is to reduce the risk as best you can while providing your dog with healthy stuff to keep him busy and happy. The proper type of [raw] bones are great teeth cleaners along with providing a goodly amount of absorbable nutrients.
***Edited By: gbroxon on 10/4/2007 1:25:23 PM*** Reason: Clarify.
After reading all this, I may seriously rethink my vet. He doesn't support raw feeding but he supports cooked bones. I don't get it, could be because he is older?? anyhow, I guess I will stick to the raw bones and just give them to my dog that way
***Edited By: normap on 10/4/2007 3:06:30 PM*** Reason: add
Gbrox, you're point is excellent. With respect to my personal vet, not only does he sell out of his office foods graded A... Evo, Innova etc... he also supports raw etc... That being said he and I have discussed the bones for MY dogs and I can only tell you what he has told me. I definitely think it's a personal decision and not even a right or wrong. I just dont give them bones. They sure do love their carrots and apples and green beans and many other things such as COOKIESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS lol
Norma, I have heard from my clients the same as you are asking now, "could it be that my vet is older and doesnt know"... I tend to think that's part of it. Vets who are older (and I am generalizing here) seem to have been practising for so long, they really are not up to the latest studies and things, they get to a point where they just like the every day stuff, health, spay, netuer etc.. Case in point... Marquis for Coccidia and the ability to get the activie ingredient Ponazuril as a straight oral dose. Ask your vet if he knows what that is.. chances are good he will not :-(
I do not give my dogs bones of any kind. Mainly because they are Bullies. ( 3 frenchies and 1 English ) . They are gulpers. I give them bullysticks for chew treats and they do fine with them, although i still supervise them when they are chewing them. I think that there are some breeds that would be okay with certain types of bones, just not mine.
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