About 3 or 4 weeks ago, my Osa (a Jack Russell) had an intimate encounter with a Jack Russell/Pit Bull mix. I'm not sure if it took or not. How do I know for sure, without going to the vet and getting an ultrasound.

OMG! Wow, another one! That makes what 5 now in one week! If she is, and I really she's not, thanks for adding to the pet overpopulation! Yet again, another ignorant question. Take her to the vet. Yes, that is the only way to know for sure if she is with an ultrasound. Are you prepared for vet bills for the mother and the babies if whelping goes terribly wrong? If you cannot find homes for these puppies, are you willing to keep them and give them the proper training, and care that that they need? If she is, please, please, please, get the litter aborted, and get her spayed!

***Edited By: riley1 on 7/11/2009 1:55:18 PM***
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Mix, mix and more mix and what do you get...MUTTS!

Oh my goodness...yes, riley, this is at least the 5th one this week alone!

So, I've figured it out...we're on totally hidden video


How do I know for sure, without going to the vet and getting an ultrasound.


Um...you don't. Instead, take her to the vet and tell him that you think she was bred and tell him to abort the litter and have her spayed like a responsible pet owner.

There are only 2 ways to know for sure 1) Vet visit 2) wait until the pups are far enough along to feel movement.

I would like to remind everyone that, while I know it becomes more than a little frustrating to have the same situation posted so frequently (especially of late), each individual has come to ask because they don't know the answer.

Perhaps a tad more helpful information along with a bit of education would prove more beneficial in the long run over berating them? Yes, it IS careless to allow intact bitches to remain unsupervised and to run the risk of pregnancy, but if those who have the knowledge don't share the information and keep those seeking information around, we can't help prevent this from happening again and again and again.

If a post irks you remember...you have the right to refrain from answering rather than allowing it to annoy you into on the attack.

***Edited By: pyrmom on 7/11/2009 5:07:20 PM***
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Yes ma`m pyrmom...less aggravation and more assistance...sorry

Me too momma! Sorry, it just gets frustrating seeing so many of these posts. It seems like they are one hit posts and run just to get a reaction out of us. At least we give some advice in there somewhere. But maybe next time not as hasty.

I guess it's a matter of the carrot and the stick... which will prove the method to keep 'em around to teach them? Sorry, I really do understand how frustrating it can be, but we do have to remember that sometimes things happen, can't put the Genie back in the bottle and you can only move forward from where things are.

***Edited By: pyrmom on 9/28/2009 6:09:16 AM***
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Odds are that she did take. You probably have some big worries on your hands (pregnancy in and of itself is a worry). Pregnancy = vet. There isn't any way around that, they didn't choose it, WE did. Those visuals aren't just for confirmation. They are to detect possible problems, same reasons we humans do them. Since you say jack pregnant by jack/pit, you very well may need a c-section in addition to those visuals. Best for her to know what your headed for, whether you need to have her monitored by your vet as soon as she goes into labor if the ultrasound or x-ray's show she needs it and to have a VERY good relationship with them since it's usually MUCH less expensive to have your own vet handle an emergency (still usually a fee, but so much less) than to have to go to an emergency clinic. A good relationship makes them far more likely to head in when they aren't working, weekends, middle of the night, whatever. It also helps with the actual charges sometimes too, lol.
I wish your girl plenty of luck.

To those of you who were actually helpful. Thank you.

To the other two... Thanks for that. That was awesome. Osa was tied in the back yard. I was inside doing something or other and when I came out I had to get the hose. So thank you for calling me irresponsible. I appreciate it. It was very helpful.

Sometimes, the truth hurts.

Again, this is a little late but just an FYI, turning the hose on tied dogs can result in one or both being seriously injured. If they panic and try to rip apart, you run the risk of injuring either or both of them.

Once a tie takes place, the damage is done and the only thing to do is to wait it out.

If a tie does happen and was not planned, the best course of action would be to take your girl to the vet for a shot to avoid pregnancy.

If she is not of exceptional quality with desirable blood lines nor intended for show or a breeding program, having escaped the bullet once I'd strongly suggest having her spayed to avoid facing the same worry in another 6 months.

First off, I would like to point out to those of you who like to trash those who are seeking help and information, (which I feel is a sign of responsiblity,rather than just ignoring the situation and not seeking any education on the matter at all) need to take a look in the mirror, and realize that you are a HUMAN as well, and yes, we all make mistakes, whether we like it or not.
And it also seems as those a couple of you have way to much time on your hands being that you seem to reply to these posts farely often (usually with negative remarks). An idle mind is the devils playground...
I also have a question for the negative posters, do any of you have actual children, besides your pets? ( my pets are my children as well, so I am not trying to put anyone down in that sense)Because if you do, I am sure you have turned your back for a moment and that child(ren) has gotten into something that if you had your eye on them at every single waking moment of the day (impossible) would have never happened. Please keep in mind that as adults, we have responsibilities that must be taken care of and turning your back for a few minutes, and considering we are talking about a dog, not a two year old, is not a crime, or irresponsible action. yes, there are horrible people out there who do not care for animals and abuse, neglect, and mistreat their pets, but it is not your place to judge someone who has shown no signs of these actions. I hope you don't practice this in every aspect of your life, if so, you must be miserable.
Now, it does seem that you are knowledgable in the area of breeding, and that is commendable, but do not become too big headed about it, because I am pretty sure you were not born with that knowledge and had to do a little research and learning, and make a few MISTAKES of your own before honing those skills. So please be humble with your knowledge, and instead of turning people off with negativity, (because I am sure they don't want to listen after being slapped in the face[figuratively speaking], would you?)simply do the best you can to educate them in the areas they seek.
With that, I am curious how you train your dogs, do you slap them and abuse them with negativity before you tell them what to do correct? It seems that most dog lovers, or animal lovers, and those with experience, encourage positive rienforcement, and psychologists agree, punishment may remove the unwanted behavior, but the creature ( human or not) will simply not do the action in front of the punisher, or will use different avenues of releasing the hurt from the punishment, rather than learning from the correction.
ok, now I have a few questions of my own. I have decided to mate my female, half Siberian Husky, half German Shepard, and a most beautiful MUTT as you would call her, in fact she is more beautiful then some pure-breds, and that is not just a "motherly" point of view ( since mothers always think their children [or dogs] are beautiful) but an absolute fact.
I have mated her with a pure-bred German Shepard with papers. This took place this morning, and it is her first mating, on her second heat cycle, about ten days in. Yes, I intend to take her to the vet, being that she attends regularly anyway, and I intend on doing some reading in regards to the matter, but I was hoping to recive a little information or advice from those who have had hands-on experience since it seems that sometimes books, even college textbooks, can give you a lot of information, and no real life advice.
So my questions are:
1) Should I try to mate my female with the sire in another 36 hours, or is it true that just one mating, as long as a tie was made and successful, will suffice the desired outcome?

2) Will she complete her cylce, if she is pregnant, or will it finish short?

3) What is your personal reccomendation of nutritional supplement for my female?( and yes I will ask my vet, but that does not mean my vet has bred before, or has had personal experience breeding)


4) Is it true that the number of nipples my female bears, gives an estimate of the litter size she will have (being that she is young and extremely healthy, and is her first litter, hopefully)?

FYI- I am extremely picky of whom will recieve puppies from Sables litter, and if I am not able to sell all the puppies, than yes, I am financially capable, and willing, and prepared to keep every single pup. So I expect not to hear criticism for my choice to mate a MUTT (what horrible way to insult a living creature, if it is used in correct terms than it is ok, but the posters I am speaking to, and you know who you are, use it in almost a racist way, as if they are not GOOD enough, I do have to say that you are very judgmental, and rude, how do you live with yourself?)
Anyway, back to my original point, I expect only knowledgable answers, no judgments, criticisms, or negative responses. If you are simply incapable of doing so, please do not respond at all, like your mother always said, "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all" And don't get me wrong, I believe in constructive criticism, but that is not the form you are putting forth.

***Edited By: lpn169 on 9/25/2009 3:33:19 AM***
Reason: Attempt to make it more readable

Sable, wow. That was one of the worst posts I have ever endured on this forum. My first bit of "constructive criticism" would be to punctuate when necessary and add paragraphs so your post so it is not so difficult to read. You would probably get more responses to your question if you started your own post.

Educate yourself rather than getting confrontational with those who have already learned the facts, really it gets you nowhere. What do you think people will say about you and your breeding practices after they educate themselves and realize they have made a big mistake in choosing you as their breeder? That is what happened with several pet owners on this very board.

I will admit it was well done the way you had some valid points in the beginning but at the end, you just lost me. Someone who sounded to have it together just really dumbed it down at the end. Almost as if two different people got together and wrote a huge run on sentence.

The term "mutt" is not derogatory. We have a mutt, I've never found the word offensive. Then again, I never bragged about planning to breed him to a group of people who knew better and get sick and tired of hearing these frustrating stories day in and day out.

Doing anything purely on impulse is generally a bad idea.

Do you know all that could go wrong with your bitches pregnancy/delivery? http://www.bullmastiffsonline.com/bitches.html
Do you have an idea how much it will cost you to raise a litter between feeding them, vet appointments throughout the pregnancy, worming, shots etc? This will not only be one chewing, barking puppy to keep an eye on for months, it will likely be 8-12 because you have two large breed dogs.

I am happy you love your dogs so much and think they are so beautiful but that is a horrible reason to breed. In fact, it sounds like you don't know very much about breeding at all, from what I could gather skimming most of your horrendous post.

Lastly, it is a bit ironic that you are so aggressive in your own post even claiming those who post in a way you do not prefer do not have lives . Well argued
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and even when given excellent advice, there are those out there who will ignore it because it is not the answer they'd like to hear.







Since you care so much for your dogs, do you really want to worry about where an entire litter will end up?
http://www.pcawl.org/shelterfacts.html

Back Yard Breeders Excuses

What other excuses have you heard?

1. When called on bad breeding practices, ALWAYS claim that you are merely an innocent, posting as a favor to a friend or family member.

2. Point out that everybody you know breeds this way, therefore it must be okay.

3. Claim that "snobby show breeders" are only criticizing you because they want to corner the market on puppy profit.

4. Claim that a Champion in the pedigree is just as good as 56 Champions in the pedigree. Not that it matters, because you doubt that there is such a thing as a dog with 56 champions in the pedigree.

5. Claim that you are just trying to produce good pets, therefore good pets are all you need for breeding.

6. When asked about health testing, enthusiastically point out that your bitch had a health checkup before breeding.

7. Be sure to mention that you do not need to run such health tests as OFA, CERF, thyroid, cardiac, patellae, etc., because your dogs look healthy and had no visible problems at their last vet checkup.

8. Point out that these tests cost too much and would cut into your profit margin. Be sure to champion the right of poor people to breed dogs.

9. Confidently assure worried rescuers that no puppy you produce, or any of their puppies or grand puppies or great-grandpuppies will end up in shelters because you have a bunch of friends who have told you that they'd like a pup from your bitch.

10. Point out that you don't need Championships or working titles on your dogs because you are breeding for temperament and your dog is really sweet.

11. Silence those annoying people who ask about your health guarantee by assuring them that buyers can return any sick puppies and you will replace it with another pup as long as it got sick within a certain amount of time of sale and as long as you don't think the buyer did something to make the puppy sick.

12. If your breed or line is rare (or you have a "rare" color, or believe your breed or color is rare), be sure to remind everyone that you do not need to show, temperament test, or health test your breeding stock because you are doing the world a service by continuing this "rare" breed/color/line.

13. No matter what anyone else says, claim that you obviously know what you are doing because you've been breeding for a long time. Point to the hundreds of puppies you've pumped out over the years as proof.

14. If this is your first attempt at breeding, make sure to remind everyone that you HAVE to breed your dog because how else are you going to learn how to breed?

15. Assure everyone that your dog does not need to be shown because you were assured by someone at Petsmart/the park/the vet's office/a friend that your dog is a perfect example of the breed.

16. Always remember that "rare" colors, oversized or undersized dogs, and mixes of popular breeds are great selling points. Anyone who doesn't think so is obviously not in tune with their customers' wishes.

17. Claim that your dogs are better because they are not inbred, as inbreeding obviously produces sick/stupid/deformed dogs. If breeding poo as in "Cock-a-Poo," "Peek-a-Poo," etc. dogs or other mutts, always point to "hybrid vigor" as proof of your dogs' superiority.

18. Remind everyone that you do not need a waiting list because your puppies are cute.

19. Assure everyone that your puppies will not end up in shelters because they are cute.

20. Claim that YOUR breed never ends up in shelters in your area, therefore your puppies will never end up in shelters.

21. If asked why you think your dogs are breeding quality, point out that they "have papers." Extra points awarded for using the phrase "AKC Certified." Double points if those papers come from the Continental Kennel Club.

22. If you sell a sick puppy, always blame the owners for making it sick. If the owners are clearly not responsible, blame their vet. (see #11)

23. If presented with irrefutable evidence proving you wrong on any excuses you have used, pretend your server did not receive the post/e-mail.

24. Claim that none of the rules of ethical breeding apply to you because you only intend to have one litter and therefore aren't a "real" breeder.

25. If all else fails, tell everyone who criticizes you to "get a life."

That's the list from "The Backyard Breeders' and puppy Millers' Big Book of Old Excuses - by Denna Pace 2001"

Sorry Sable, these old eyes simply can NOT read your post. Some spacing would be most helpful.

From the responses I am reading, I get the gist of your post as one chastising anyone who calls into question the responsibility of pet ownership and your desire/efforts to breed an immature bitch.

Please use the search function, you will find thousands of posts on both subjects.