Hi Juno earlier in this post you mentioned registering with UKC as they will ignore the limited status ... how does this work, I looked up and you have to send in your AKC registration so they will see limited on that ... so how do you get full with UKC ??
It has been awhile, so it is best you call the UKC and ask. But from what I remember you have to fill up a form you can dl from their site. send it with a 3 gen certified pedigree, a copy of the AKC limited registration and 3 pictures of the dog from both sides and front. They will send you a fully registered certificate that you can do with as you please.
Unfortunately though, the AKC got such a hold on people, that I had hard time getting people to accept the UKC as a viable alternative to the AKC, so after a couple of litters, I crawled back to the AKC and had to silently put up with them.
The essence of hypocrisy is the tendency to make an exception of oneself.
people prefer the AKC because, for the most part, they are brainwashed misinformed ****** sheep.
Anyway, this is the "official" UKC stand on this issue. not really sure how official this is, but I happened to agree with its reasoning.
UKC Position Statement: Limited Registration Schemes and Spay/Neuter
The United Kennel Club, established in 1898, is the world’s largest all-breed performance dog registry. While we recognize other registries, and share issues and concerns with registries around the world, our rules, regulations and guidelines are indeed our own and are designed around the UKC mission statement. One difference between the UKC and another American dog registry is a method ostensibly created to encourage breeders to handle stock that is - in the breeder’s opinion - not suitable for breeding.
One dog registry has a system of registration that allows a breeder to sell puppies with a registration paper that prohibits its puppies from being registered with that registry. The United Kennel Club feels that this system is unenforceable, creates a false sense of security for the breeder, and is susceptible to abuse.
The United Kennel Club does offer a Limited Privileges Listing, which allows dogs that are spayed or neutered to compete in some UKC events. This is not to be confused with a scheme in which the papers precede the spaying or neutering of the dog. A limited registration paper does nothing to ensure the puppy in question is ever spayed or neutered.
The United Kennel Club believes that a registry has no place in attempting to legislate these matters and has no place in the breeder’s whelping box. Instead, we encourage breeders to take responsibility for these matters by: 1) spaying or neutering any dog they feel is not suitable for breeding before they sell the puppy, 2) by entering into contract with the buyer that requires spaying and neutering at a determined interval or 3) by simply holding registration papers until furnished proof of spay/neuter. Additionally, we hope that those employing spay-neuter contracts, registration schemes or any other effort consider the whole dog, rather than conformation traits alone, for the criteria for such decisions. There are many reasons that a healthy, hardy dog with, for example, great, breed-specific hunting instincts could advance the breed even though the dog does not have the aesthetics to win in a dog show ring.
In America, when a puppy buyer purchases a puppy, the puppy is theirs: they have every right to do with it what is allowable within the parameters of prevailing law. No dog registry owns a dog, a breed, or a breeder. Obviously, the UKC prefers any dog is bred responsibly and for the criteria outlined in our UKC Total Dog approach, an approach which includes but is not limited to breed conformation. It is our mission to create events and programs that showcase the Total Dog as a way to encourage such breeding.
Proponents of a limited registration approach claim the registration certificate discourages the buyer from breeding the dog. Opponents claim that there is room for abuse by breeders who: 1) want to limit the market in their area of puppies that are registrable by a specific registry; 2) want to charge twice for the same puppy; or once to purchase the puppy, and a second time to reverse the limited status or 3) use it as leverage to persuade owners to put a performance title on the dog before releasing full privileges.
The United Kennel Club, Inc. has no opinion of either side of any of these claims as we do not have such a registration scheme. We have no intent, however, of being part of such abuse. We feel that when a breeder chooses to advance their breed by creating puppies, they accept full responsibility while being aware of all of the uncertainties and uncontrollable issues associated with canine genetics and human behavior.
Acknowledging some of the philosophical differences that exist between registries also may help in shedding light on the topic. The United Kennel Club has always and will always be a performance dog registry. While we proudly hold conformation events with a total dog emphasis, we are not driven by one specific event type. Other registries are indeed driven by conformation events. We have no argument with that fact and applaud the diversity among registries. Our mission, however, is not defined by striving to create show dogs only. With that said, placing limits on the offspring of a dog because it doesn’t meet certain conformation criteria is less likely to be a factor for those breeding for health, performance, trainability, or breed specific character – all of which are elements that advance a breed. For example, a breeder striving to produce a quality retriever would be pleased to have a responsible person buy a dog from them and breed the dog responsibly if the dog had a strong propensity to retrieve and excellent hips, even if it had conformation traits that made it undesirable for the show ring. There are many good reasons for a responsible breeder to spay or neuter a puppy (or enter a contract to do so) beyond conformation, especially health, instincts, structure, breed character and temperament appropriate for the breed. The whole dog, and the current state of a breed’s gene pool, must be considered.
For those who think the UKC does not recognize limited registration schemes for monetary reasons should consider the following: the United Kennel Club routinely refuses registrations to AKC Registered dogs that have breed disqualifications. If the UKC was interested in increasing registration revenue, we would accept the tens of thousands of AKC registered dogs with disqualifying faults such as white Schnauzers, red Rottweilers, and silver Labradors.
We encourage all breeders to consider the creation of a litter of puppies a major and sometimes daunting responsibility. Every puppy a breeder creates deserves a good home with responsible owners. We understand the inexact science of breeding and that the results can be less than desired. In cases where a puppy does not meet a breeder’s own personal criteria to advance the breed, we strongly encourage them to spay or neuter the puppy before selling it or to enter into a binding contract to do so and not to rely on a dog registry to implement this request.
***Edited By: lpn169 on 12/22/2010 4:59:30 AM*** Reason: removed language
The essence of hypocrisy is the tendency to make an exception of oneself.
So being responsible and placing limited registration on dogs who should not be used to continue the breed is a scheme? lmao. I am sad just by this statement that I show in the UKC venue, though we also show AKC as well.
Breeders who implement a limited status are the ones being repsonsible by not allowing just any dog produce simply because it has the parts to do so. Anything that next person does is a reflection on your lines, so we are careful which dogs are permitted to be used and careful that folks trying to make a buck by producing ;whatever' doesnt get them.
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Why would you never put your puppies on limited Registration? The only breeders that give full Registration to ALL their puppies are the ones that probably shouldn't be breeding at all.
If you have 2 health tested Champion parents, not every puppy in the litter is worthy of being bred.
Chances are you don't even know your breed standard and none of your puppies should be bred at all. Breeders allowing people the OPTION of breeding every puppy in the litter is contributing to the pet overpopulation problem and why people are so anti-breeder.
It defies breeding sense and economic/business sense to just give out breeding rights Willy/Nilly I have been breeding dogs for almost 15 years now. I am careful of who gets MY LIFE'S WORK.
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