The only problem is that it is Aisha who did it. My son has two puncture wounds on his chest near his rib cage. It was bleeding, he was crying, I wanted to kill her. They were playing outside and my 7 year old was running, she came up and attacked him. She is 31/2 months old and her little teeth HURT! She does have a dominance issue with him mostly. She sees herself as probably an equal to my 10 yr old. Below me and my husband but she thinks she is above my 7 yr. old. I am going to try keeping her on a leash around him today and one wrong move and i will seriously kill her today! This is not acceptable. My son is a little afraid of her. HELP! Any suggestions would be great.
I would really like to hear some ideas on this also. I know Lilly can get a little carried away with her playfulness also. My husband has a 2.5 y/o grandson and he is frightened of Lilly because she is a little aggressive with him. When he is around I have to keep her crated. I dont want him to be afraid of my dogs, but everytime she is near he runs for dear life.
I don't know what breed your dog is but I would immediately start obedience training & include your son in helping train the dog. I would also have your son be in charge of feeding your dog so the dog associates him as a leader as well as you & your husband. If you can get a hold of a group obedience class that would be best, as it is a great way to socialize your dog around other people & dogs.
I am so sorry to hear that! I like your gameplan. You could also try the NILF method, and include your son. I also agree with him being the one to feed her. He should make her sit first (with your help , if necessary) then set down the food (STAY) and make her stay for a short time before he gives the OK command to allow her to eat the food. You want to establish your son's rank in the pack order as higher than hers. I wish you guys the best of luck!
What is NILF? Well, both my kids take turns feeding her and they do make her sit and stay. I have also had my 7 yr old hand feed her before setting the dish down as we had a problem with food aggression (some of you may remember that post) She is doing alot better in that dept. When the kids are out playing or when she sees them run she will chase them and bark. Sometimes the play gets out of hand like yesterday. Now that they are back in school we are going to be doing some serious training. She sits and stays well and when you tell her not to bite something she will stop. But it is my little guy that i'm worried about. Even though she is only 3 months she is already 1/2 is weight. She is 34 pounds. My other Shepherd never hurt the kids at all. Today, my son will not stay in the same room as her. He is afraid. So tell me what nilf is. its probably so obvious but its not coming to me right now.
okay, thanks. I saved the site and will read it when I have more time. I know that she is still a puppy, but German Shep. grow quickly and her baby teeth will be big teeth soon. I even called the breeder last night and she gave me some hints. Hopefully with all of these tips something can be done quickly. I love my dog, but.....obviously i love my sons more. My husband was really mad! He threatened to get rid of her if she does it again. You guys don't think my son needs any shots do you? She hasn't had her rabies shots yet. I think tetnous(sp) is part of the immunization for kids. I have to find his card to be sure. She bit hard enough for him to bleed.
IMO, it sounds like your puppy needs to learn bite inhibition. To me its sounds like she is just playing too roughly. In addition to using NILIF I would also practice teaching her bite inhibition and include your kids while doing this. Here is an awesome article on bite inhibition: www.jersey.net/~mountaindog/berner1/bitestop.htm
You know Aisha didn't mean it, right? If she knew how much your kids meant to you she would not lay a paw on them. It is jsut dog's natural dominance instinct. Try & nip it in the bud while she is still young. Good luck! ---Allie the Chihuahua http://www.dogster.com/?41063 ---Mönica the Kitty http://www.catster.com/?57596
when I was kid our dog would always chase and nip me when I ran away from him. For him it was a game, although a hurtful one! Something in me running set him off. I think a lot of dogs do that. If your dog is that young, personally I have a difficult time believing a 3 and half month dog would do something like that out of viciousness. Not that it never happens, but I believe it's relatively rare. I'm leaning toward what another poster wrote about her not have learned bite inhibition... I'm not saying it's not a dominance issue, but not everytime something happens like this does it have to do with dominance. It seems like many people always chalk up any behavior issues with their dog as a dominance issue. Again, I am NOT saying it's not the case, I don't know your dog at all obviously, but just something to consider? Do you have the $ to see a trainer? If so, I would see one that does not use aversive, physical punishment in their training techniques. I think NILIF is a great idea- I used it and got great results with my dog. That's great to nip the food aggression issue in the bud at a young age too.
I don't think that she ment to do it either, but it still hurts to see your kids in pain, bleeding and a little afraid of the family pet. I will try those tips. I need some quite time to sit and read everything and then hopefully i can start using some effective methods to stop it. I did have a trainer here with my other Shepherd. She was very aggressive towards another dog that we were watching. The poor thing could not even pee in peace. The electric collar was suggested and she did learn fast, but my Aishi Baby is only 3 months old. I know that she is only 3 months old and still has alot to learn. But her little nips hurt can you imagine by son? I was not impressed.
that was a pretty hard bite. i have never had a puppy bite hard enough to draw blood in just normal play. also the fact that your son was bitten in the chest instead of the arms or legs does raise my eyebrow. even when puppies play with each other and are learning bite inhibition from their littermates they never bite hard enough to draw blood. it could be something as simple as bite inhibition but given her history of some food aggression i am more inclined to think opposite. first of all, dogs view children as siblings or lower. they do not view them as any type of authority figure. this is were we step in and teach them. one of the easiest and most effective ways is the NILIF program. absolutely is nothing to be given to your dog, especially from the kids, without her earning it. a simple sit or give paw is enough. she doesn't have to do her whole obedience repetoire. i implemented this program with scout the day she walked thru our door, especially where my son was concerned. he still has to do this with her. alot of times he asks if she can have something for free and the answer is always no. especially now that she is in her adolesence age. also, he came with me to all scouts obedience classes and worked her himself through 1/2 the exercises. i would not expect her to listen to him as obediently as she would an adult, but she has gotten the idea and he can do anything to her without any worry of an unacceptable response from her. now, growing up, scout was very mouthy. and considering she grew a lot quicker and stronger than a child does he did get hurt. puppy teeth hurt no matter what size the person who is on the receiving end is. constant supervision and repeating the words no bite until i had forgotten the rest of the english language helped us get thru it alot quicker. it is tiresome but it has to be done. my son also carried around a toy with him and if she started to chew on him he told her no bite and shoved a toy in her mouth. sometimes that was enough, most times i had to intervene. my son has adhd so sometimes play got really rowdy on both ends. in those times scout went to her crate so both of them could settle down. all of this persisitence has really paid off. my son goes to play at his friends house and is constantly coming home telling me how he hates their dog because he was never taught not to jump and bite in play. he notices a difference between a well behaved dog and one who was never taught enforcably how to behave. some gsd's have a higher prey/play drive then others in the breed. your dog may be one of those. so running and yelling around her as boys of that age do, may heighten her drive. you may want to tell your boys to tone down their play when she is around until she learns how to interact with them better. constant supervision and a leash attached to her collar will help tremendously. also, most biting during play lessens considerably once they have gone through teething - which is around 4-6 months of age.. with her i would use a stern voice command and avoid any type of physical punishment. some dogs can handle a rap on the butt or nose. she sounds like she may be the type who would give it back to you. dogs like that may be more of a challenge to raise but they are so worth the time. good luck !
Scout you are right. This situation was totally unacceptable and unexpected. She would nip here and there but never did she make anyone bleed. She tried the chasing game in the house today. Chasing my little one and barking after him. I grabbed her by the scuff of the neck and yelled NO! She went to lie down in the corner and has not moved for over an hour. I will put her on the leash today when we go out. And no more pretty little red collar with the puppy paws. She is getting the choke chain. Too bad. She hates that thing as she knows she is in training. But before i want her to learn how to come on command I need to nip this one in the but haha. Wish me luck. Thankfully she seems to be a smart one so hopefully it will not take her long to get the message. She no loger has issues with the food, so we are doing something right.
Just a quick update: I took Aisha out on the leash and the choke chain. I had the kids start off on the bikes. She likes to bark and chase after it. If she so much looked at it I snapped the leash and said NO BITE! She likes to bite the bikes to. After a couple of minutes she did not even look at them as they drove passed. Then on the leash I had the kids jog around (i'm not a quick runner) and we chased them as soon as they stopped we came closer and I made her sit. They pet her and if she so much as looked like she was going to nip I snapped the lease and said No bite! Everytime after that she only licked them when they came close. So far so good for lesson #1.
make sure you reward her with the best treats in the world when she does what you want her to. kids too. gsd's are very smart and she will catch on quickly. once you think she is pretty good with your kids, socialize her around other kids, bikes etc. so she doesn't think it is only your kids she needs to behave around. it does sound like she has a high drive so while you are training her you should also have your kids tone down their play or keep her time with them while they are engaging in these activities limited. it wouldn't be fair to keep her in that situation continiously until she has a good understanding of what you want. like when you are teaching a stay. the first time you make them stay you don't start proofing them with tossing balls in front of their faces. you toss the balls around after they have a good concept of stay. same type of principle. you want to set her up to succeed not to fail so do it in baby steps. good goings. also, before snapping the leash - say no bite and if she continues then snap the leash. give her the benefit of the doubt first. the leash is the correction. you don't want to correct them before they have done something. just like you wouldn't slap your child for thinking of doing something bad.you would tell your child what is wrong first, then discipline him if it continues.
well, it sounds like you're doing really great. Just make sure with choke collar it's put on correctly and not backwards/upside down, if you know what I mean? The leash pop won't work as well if the choke collar is not on right. I had trouble doing the leash pops, they were not happening fast enough. In my training book it said the "pop" has to be lightening quick, and should not be so forceful as to pull the dog off it's feet. I hope I didn't sound like I thought what your pup is doing is acceptable. Whether it's dominance, bite inhibition, whatever, obviously it is NOT acceptable. Do you have some good training books? I would definitely invest in some. Maybe a video too. It really helps to SEE what is being described in action. It helped a lot for me. I have never had a big dog, so I don't know much about training differences for them vs. small dogs. Mine is only 20 pounds. There are so many different training techniques. I do feel, though, that if a dog is truly aggressive in some situations, it is definitely the wrong track to use physical punishment. I can't imagine how frustrating it would be, esp. if you have kids, but everything i have read and seen with my own eyes is that aggressive force from the owner on an aggressive dog is dangerous. Their behavior may subside for some time, making the owner think the physical punishment is working, only to resurface again and often in an even worse way. I know you are not doing anything physical now, I just wanted to relay that to you in the future...... Honestly, I think if you try the NILIF program you will see some amazing results! I wish I could remember a website explaining it, so just google it, or maybe someone else here can post one? NILIF is often used on aggressive dogs.
Guys, thanks so much in taking the time to express your concern and your tips. No i did not think that you were downplaying the situation at all. Shepherds are eager to learn, they are really quick. I just hate to think that I am already breaking her spirit but she has left me no choice but to be tough on her. She is still my baby and I love her. My kids are always killing each other and sometime draw blood, but I love them anyways too. I am sure that my husband saying one more and shes out, was out of anger. I too was a little upset but I just ignored her for awhile. There is no point in punishing her when the deed has already been done. I am going to read all about the Nilf, and about the bite inhibition. Not now, the kids are playing air hockey right behind me and I can't concentrate very well. Hopefully they will go to sleep soon (ya right) Thanks again guys, I will let you know the progress.
well, tonight we spent about an hour on the floor with Aisha outside. My little guy was all over her, and lying down beside her and on top. Aisha must of licked him all over. She is being sooooo good now its scary. I think keeping the choke collar on her during the day is probably a good idea. I will take it off at night, I don't trust her yet with it on all night. It's almost scary at the transformation in only a few hours. He was running outside earlier and she ran beside him no barking or nipping. If only children could get the message so quickly. She probably knows what she did last night was wrong and is trying to make it up tonight. One more question: You know when they are sort of nipping at themselves like they are cleaning their paws not biting just nipping using only the front teeth. She will do that to us at times is that okay. I make her stop but is she just trying to clean us too. (we do take showers by the way, I don't think shes trying to give us a hint haha)