Okay, I personally am tired of hearing the crap about how all of these other registries will register anyone, blah,blah,blah. But AKC is the best and they are the only one you should buy through 'cause they know there stuff. Well, then tell me how this wonderful registry also makes up for MOST of the puppies that I see in pet stores? I rarely see CKC - Either one. I have only seen APR Pomeranians, but 95% of the animals I see in the pet stores are AKC registered. How are all of these puppymillers getting all of these AKC registered dogs? Why doesn't AKC do anything about it? I am sorry but just because AKC does DNA testing and registers only dogs who come from AKC parents(supposedly), I think that they do a CRAPPY job of looking at who their registering to. Their and the USDA's 'surprise' inspections of large breeders should not exist....why? Because they should not encourage breeding that many dogs or breeds.
I think that they are the most snobbiest people in the dog world(not the people who show, per say, although there are exceptions to that too, but more the people who run it) Tell me what kind of 'dog loving' registry would only allow AKC registered dogs to compete in the other fields and trials, such as agility, etc. It is like a giant club where there are only certain people are allowed. It is like being a little kid again. I hate the fact that AKC looks down on my dogs, who are CKC registered, as if theres were better. My Pomeranians fit the AKC standard but because they are not both from AKC registered parents, they are not looked at as 'quality' dogs. I am sick of it. We had planned on getting our next little girl as AKC registered but now I am not sure I want to own a AKC dog. Sorry for the rant but it just gets old.
Since you posted this.. then what registry in the US is better than the AKC at the end of all things and does more to promote responsible dog ownership and gives you all the benefits of the AKC? I love the UKC, it's a great registry. If other countries accepted UKC registered dogs, I'd say it was on par with the AKC, if not better.
And since you copied your exact same post from the end of a previous topic, Ill do the same and copy my response.
The AKC is a registration body. It's main purpose is to maintain the stud books and pedigree/ancestral heritage of each breed of dog registered with it. Nothing more, at the end of all things. One of the first things you will see on the AKC site is that a dog being AKC registered makes no claims about its superior quality. It is not a police unit for breeding dogs. That is the USDA's job.
No registry is without its flaws, including the AKC. However, the UKC and the AKC are among the few registries that actually enforce breeder bans against people who've been convicted animal cruelty and neglect. The CKC welcomes these lowlifes with open arms. The AKC performs inspections (as does the USDA) on any household that breeds more than 5 litters a year. Can the CKC make that claim? or the APRI? Or the APR? The AKC recommends that potential puppy buyers find breeders who are actively involved in the future and welfare of their dogs, and compete in competition and events with said dogs.
The AKC has no control over how people sell their dogs or who they sell them too. If Betsy Backyardbreeder wants to sell all 10 of her akc registered lab puppies to the local Petco for $200, that's her decision. The AKC has no control over that and nothing to do with it.
What makes the AKC the most important registry in the US is that it's the only registry in the US accepted by Foreign Registry services from other countries. In addition, the AKC probably does more conformation and performance events than all the other registry services in the United States *combined*. It's one of the largest pet ownership protection lobbying bodies in the US.
The CKC is also a dog registry, but their registration methods are more suspect. This is becasue with the CKC (continental kennel club) and the APR, and the APRI, and the NKC, and tons of other 'cheap' registries, you can provide a picture of any dog and have it declared a purebred dog and worth breeding. Let me give you an example. If I have a dog that looks like a black lab. Sure, it's actually a cross between a chow and a lab. But it looks exactly like a lab. In the CKC, I can send them in a picture of this dog, claim that it's purebred (and unregistered with another organization) and the CKC accepts it without question. Now I have a mixed breed dog I can breed as a purebred lab. You can't do that with the AKC. I might be able to get away with registering the dog as purebred yes.. but on indefinite listing priveledge, which would require that the process be submitted with written proof from a veterinarian that the dog was spayed/neutered and could never compete in conformation or be in the breeding pool.
I've never claimed that the AKC is without fault. But if you have a breed that *can* be registered with the AKC, it *should* be registered with the AKC. I don't understand how people continually point out why the AKC is so bad, but not say what makes the other registries better than the AKC.
I NEVER said that the other registries were better, just that AKC is not better. It may be the best.....if you own an AKC dog. But if you don't, you mean nothing to them. My dogs, are not allowed to compete in any of the other trials that SHOULD NOT matter if they are AKC registered but SHOULD matter on how well your dog is bred and how well they can perform. I am fine not showing my dogs, however, I think that AKC should be a little more open to allowing other dogs to be shown, but I don't care about the conformation part. But why not the rest? Why are mixes or other purebreds not allowed to perform?
I think the thing that irks(I am not sure if that is a word) me the most is that my dogs are treated like they are less in quality. When I went to a AKC obedience fun match in my city, there were tons of people who LOVED my dogs until they found out they were CKC registered. Then all I heard was, "oh you should definitely get a AKC registered dog, they are much better quality" It pissed me off.
bah let's just post here then and leave that other topic alone.
The akc is open to allowing other purebred dogs to be shown. If you own a purebred dog that can be regisered by the AKC, you can have it registered with them via ILP and participate in performance events like agility, obedience, hunting, etc. It just requires that the dog be altered to register it.
The akc only registers purebred dogs because it's a purebred dog registry. Says that right on the AKC homepage. "For love of the purebred dog." Many registries don't register even neutere/spayed mixed breed dogs because I'm surethey think that doing so will encourage breeding them even more.
That's just people stupidity. I thnk that there is a strong conception that it's gullible puppy buyers (and it is true for the most part) are decieved into buying non akc registered dogs and thinking that they can get them akc registered, or that the other registery carries the 'reputation' of the AKC.
how? without fixing them. I think the only way that my dogs could be registered would be to fix them correct? Also, I understand the purebred only but why only, AKC purebred? Also, why only 'other' purebred if fixed? Just curious?
Well, it looks like this is a private conversation. However, how did this get started in the first place. The two of you are talking about another thread, copying and pasting. Where is the other thread? What are you so sick of Katz?
You hit the nail on the head with this thread. Especially with the pure bred vs. AKC pure bred part. It's like the AKC pure breeds are a totally 'separate' pure breed than the other pure breeds that they fail to recognize. Weird.
That is why I choose to affiliate with the SCBCA. They are a little tougher to get into (but I like that) but their views are all about responsible dog ownership, not about what other registry you are with.
They also are offering 'Video Shows' where you can video your dog performing and send it in. The dogs are then judged and a champion is named (other requirements must be met like proving the dogs measurements and stuff). Anyway, this allows a whole new audience of dog owners to show their dogs. Some people cannot afford to travel (or cant get off from work, etc.) but have a great dog - this allows them to show it.
People can knock them all they want for recognizing the select few crosses that they do, but I don't see any other registry putting the effort into the actual dogs (instead of making themselves a billion dollar name) than they do. JMO, though.
My pedigrees go back to the very first registered Labradors in this country. It is not a school sorority, you cannot gain membership. It is merely an accounting of pedigrees by a reliable accounting firm...If the dog breed you have has not begun the processing necessary to become a kennel club breed, it is not personal. It is not a popularity contest. A breed is recognised, then they merely FILE the records of the dog's offspring and forebears. In California, it is illegal to sell a pup w/o the state law disclosure that states that the registry of the dog does not insure quality or even purebreedness in a dog. So that ignorant people have a chance against unscrupulous people.
***Edited By: Kittys mom on 11/20/2004 1:31:21 AM*** Reason: OMG I learned this afternoon that my legal terms must be correct or I will get flamed. A PB does not lock jaws...they have a powerful jaw muscle and gameness...don't you forget, or you will be an idiot like me.
This is not the first time this topic has been discussed by any means. I just don't get it. If you like the AKC stick with it, like I do. If you don't choose the registry of your choice. I don't see how the AKC can be looked on as snooty or what ever word of your choosing, because they don't allow other registery dogs in there dog shows. Do the other registries have dog shows? if not, why? The AKC is not perfect by any means, but neither is anything else in the world.
I am sure that if a breed went through the steps required they could become recognized. It is not something one cry baby person gets for themself...entire breed clubs would be involved. They must have info on their web-site on what it took these breeds to get standardized. If just anyone's dog could start a new breed there would be cokerpoos, and mookiepuffs and didlysquats and every kind of thing. The dog must be breeding to an established standard and enough people need to be interested in the first place. They are only a record keeping organization.
Ansy, your views on this topic are duely noted. I think the AKC does have a logical explanation for the rules as far as I am concerned. They have been around forever, and I don't think they should change their standards and rules, but I am sure they can provide a much better explanation that I can. Have you presented your feelings of them being snooty to them? I really doubt they are going to change their rules because someone just doesn't like them, and they alone have the final say on that. If I felt that way about them, I would stay away from them and everything they stand for. I have no problem with the AKC, and they are the only registry that I have ever dealt with. I can't comment on the others, because I know nothing about them. I am not sure I understand what it is that you want them to do.
Thank-you Cricket you always seem to get to the point better than me. I was confused too. I have no idea why a dog with no lineage should be registered as anything. I admit I don't compete in fun events, that may be frustrating if you have a dog that would be a good competitor. But if the dog does not come from a recognised bloodline, it should not have been bred in the first place, and then again only from stock that is genetically screened/DNA proofed also.
I don't want them to do anything because I don't use them.
As far as dogs with lineage go - I'm not talking about crosses here. I'm talking about the 500+ legitimate pure breeds who have been breeding true to standard for many, many years. Of these 500+ breeds - the AKC only recognizes a little over 150.
Granted, there are some parent clubs who do not go through the steps needed to become AKC recognized. These clubs don't want the AKC to touch their dogs. The Border Collie was a great example - but the Border Collie folks lost that battle.
If a parent club does not want the biggest registry in the world to recognize their dogs - I think that says enough.
I guess I just don't understand this. I'm pretty new to dogs and am still learning, but before you buy a dog wouldn't you research the different registries and what they were offering you and your dog in the way of events and make a decision regarding which registry best fit your needs and get a pup that could be registered with your choice registry? Now I totally understand if you saw a dog that would fit perfectly into your breeding program but was ckc instead of akc...wouldn't you then decide to sacrifice akc events in order to have this great breeding specimen??
I guess to me it's like researching all the color clubs (red green, blue...just as an example) and you decide to join the blue club but then get upset because the green club won't let you participate in their events.
And I'm not trying to be a smart-aleck at all...if you could help me understand your reasoning on this i would appreciate learning something new.