Dogs don't know what right and wrong is, is correct, Their dogs, dogs respond to our actions, not because they think they did something wrong. If you give your dogs trouble because they say chewed some kleenex and left it all over the floor, they respond with a submissive action, ears down, tail between legs. They are responding to your actions. If you yourself go and tear up some kleenex and leave it so the dogs will see it, and go out and then come back in, and behave in the same manner, they will respond the same. It only seems like they know what they have done. They have already forgotten about it, Their attention span is the same as a small child.
in reply to smacking puppies......never smack your puppie or dog, use rewarding and a clicker also works well with puppies and dogs,for what reasons would anyone smack thier dog...not being house trained is 99% down to the owner ....chewing things it shoudent the dog is bored again down to the owner to change that.i could go on and on....a dog who is loved has a nutritious diet mental and physical stimulation medical care if needed happy and is a big part of ones family is a problem free dog.
I own two dogs a female Rottweiler and a male Pitbull as a dog owner i do not agree with smacking a dog even if it was naughty. The truth is the dog needs obedience training. Because abuse is not the way to go. Dogs should be respected and never be abused. When you own a animal it becomes a part of your family. The dog does not know what it is doing and everyone makes mistakes.
I disagree with some of the responses as to saying that dogs dont know right from wrong. When my puppy behaves and follows commands given to her , or simply is just being good, or even asks to be walked, she understands she is doing good. The times when she is just going thru normal puppyhood and is chewing,or nipping, or even having an accident now and then, which is only normal for a puppy, she understands and shows it by staying away from me, or just by the way she looks at me as if to say im sorry.I never smack her, rather just talk to her in a very soft voice and she does understand. I also want to add that sometimes when i tell her no, i do show her my teeth and a slight growl as someone else mentioned, and yes it also works.
Believe me Tigger knows right from wrong. If I go out and come home,lets say she got into the garbage. She hides and will not come out.She's never been smacked for it,but has been yelled at. Dogs know when they have been bad.
no animals should be smacked, would you smack your kids everytime they did something wrong....course not.......that would be consider abuse...proper training is a firm NO, or time out. ...............i believe in positive training, not negative training.....never never under any circumstances hit your dog with a newspaper.....your only making matters worse....especially for the newspaper boy, or the mailman. LOL.....im serious you'll just turn their anger towards them..........then you'll have a lawsuit on your hands..................just love your pets uncondionally, and train them properly, and you'll have a well behave pet and a happy owner...........
Sue, Actually when I said I had been tapping for 7 years, it was for different reasons. My dog never repeated the same mistake more than a couple of times. So yes, I do believe I corrected the behavior. I have seen dogs, when approached, that slink down and act afraid. I think that is from repeated beating. Not tapping. Beating a dog, I do not believe in! For anyone who is offended that I tap my dog I am sorry. If you come to my house you will see my dogs are very loved. They have their very own bed which matches mine. They are spoiled rotten. Some things people just simply don't agree on. For instance, I disagree with crates. I can't stand to think of my babies being cooped up. But, I don't think it is wrong for someone who does believe in it!
" They have already forgotten about it, Their attention span is the same as a small child. Sorry.......... " let me give a recent example... Tug opened the child-proof cabinets(he's slick like that) in the Kitchen hours before I get home, yet he still came to the door that way. According to your theory, he was reacting to my greeting him 3 rooms away,(the Kitchen is not even visable there), at the front entrance in the living room with a couple enthusiastic and loving "hey boy's" while I was bending over scratching his sweet spot??? He then truly reacted to my actions, and forget it about it for a minute... getting excited/acting normal. Then I started walking towards the kitchen, and his 'I've been naughty' behavior started again. Also... if he did not know better, he would do the things he knows are wrong when I am home. The fact that he doesn't shows that he makes conscience decision. I do agree about their attention span... actually it's probably less than a normal small child's, but memory and attention spans are two completely different things. " Sorry...but it sounds to me like your dogs are afraid of you. " Call it what you want... my dogs know just know I am the boss. If my dogs were afraid of me, they would always display their 'been naughty' behavior. My dogs are afraid to dissapoint me... there is a big difference, and it's one of the many wonderful characteristics of the APBT.
dogwant: and why does she know she is being good? she is doing a behavior and she gets rewarded. Dogs don't do things unless they get something out of it. She doesn't see it as you do as the "right" behavior. Its the "right" behavior to you, but to her your behavior is the reward. Whether its a good reward or bad. Think about when your dog pees on the floor, you go in and yell at the dog and make a spectacle of yourself, the dog will pee on the floor again????!!!!!! No response should be given for undesirable behavior. The pet remembers this response and does it again.....Oh boy what have I started!!......
Sue, you have started nothing except for sharing your opionion.I have read some of your posts in the past on several other topics as well,and feel that you always give the correct information on your knowledge of what works for you, and what research you have done that the so called experts say.As far as a dog knowing it will get rewarded for doing good or vysa versa, isnt it the same with humans.If you do good on your job, you will be rewarded, if you dont you will be repremanded.If a child does wright, he or she is rewarded, if not you take away their tv time, going out time, or whatever. Bottom line is, keep up your good postings, as for that is what we are all here for , to help others and share opionions.
And by the way, reading one of your posts, leads me to believe that your opionion of when someone says that a dog is doing something in spite it is not true, yet you say that no response should be given to undesirable behavier because the pet remembers and does it again. What do you call that? Oh boy look what i started!!!!!!! LOL
what do you mean? ..........if the puppy pees on the floor, and you react to the behavior, they would do it again because something happened(your reaction) when they did the behavior (peeing). Thats not spite, the dog does not WANT to displease you. He got a response the previous time and will do it again. The comment Oh boy look what I've started just means that this may be a topic that most owners are unframiliar with, And I was thinking about all the negative comments that others have received, and that I will be challenged with this topic. It is a very confuseing subject. (don't confuse reward as being good or bad) For a human: If you do something at work that you weren't supposed to do and you get into trouble, most sane people would stop doing it, if a dog were in the same situation, he may keep doing it just to get the response. Morally he doesn't know it was wrong. If he stopped getting in trouble for it and was only getting a response for his good work, he would focus on the good work. I also was interested about your comment about children. Young children 2-2.5 years do not have the equipment (mentally) to decide on the wrong/ right issue. But parents do try and teach right from wrong. But usually need to repeat it again and again. Children don't know the consiquences of their actions at an early age. A 2.5 year old childs mind is similar to an adult dogs mind. For eg. A child will not feel guilt for something till around 3.5 years. So a dog is not able to feel guilt. When my niece (who just turned 4) is alone with me, she knows by my reactions to things how she should behave. If I tell her to go to bed she goes. If she doesn't, I will say nothing and lead her by the arm and take her to bed. If she gets up I will lead her to bed again. I verbally on purpose go in to her room to praise her for staying in bed. So in conclusion she learns to stay in bed and go to sleep.Because she is rewarded for staying. If she protests and I verbally respond, shes rewarded by my verbal punishment, which is better than nothing. So she will continually come out of her room......... Sorry about that I got a little excited..to much info.....
so what your saying is that a dog doesnt know the difference between gooooood girllll and the word no,and is just reacting to a response.If that is true she must know the difference between a positive response and negative one .
Then why is is it lest say the garbage that Tigger likes only when no one is home. She gets into it. I don't punish her when I come home. She knows she was bad,she sees me and hides her head.Or if she goes to the bath room down stars,she'll hide her head. I never yell after the fact,but she knows she did wrong.Piper is not in tune yet.
Your dog steals from the garbage: When a dog steals from the garbage, he is rewarded with anything he finds and its a fun way to pass the time, especially if hes bored. Same thing would go for the cupboards, if there was never anything inside the cupboards, he would never have a need to go in the cupboards. He sure acts submissive when I come home....At some point you have come home and given the dog trouble for something he has done, your body language would be somewhat different, incl facial features. He wouldn't remember what he did but how you responded when you came home. Reward: Yes, if you reward a dog for a good behavior as soon as the dog does the right behavior, the dogs going to like the response. When it comes to a negative response, such as a "No" it doesn't always work. You would have to catch the dog in the act. When you say no the dog may or may not respond. Alot would have to depend on the dogs personnality. From super submissive to super dominant. many times you probly find yourself saying "NO" for the same things over and over. p.s what was that about saying your dogs are afraid of you?I didn't say that.?? There is some confusion about the comeing home and the dog acting like he did something wrong or won't come to you. If in the past you have given the dog shit for going in the garbage, he will associate the garbage and your behavior, any day. Not just the day that you caught him doing it. If your dog went into the garbage/ right from the start and youve never said a word ever, he would not respond, he would not act like he did something wrong.. He would still go into the garbage again because the garbage is the reward. And keeping himself occupied is also a reward. The only way to curb going in the garbage is to set boobie traps, like a mouse trap, then he will associate the garbage with something negative and unpleasant. Not every dog will be scared off by a mouse trap of course, so it is challenging.