Coach is 13 weeks today, i just woke up to him gagging in his cage. i got out of bed and noticed that he vomited a very amount of whiteish fluid. usually when we wake up, i open his cage and he follows me downstairs and outside, this morning, i opened the cage, cleaned up the mess, and when i went to walk downstairs, he didn't follow me. i went and laid by the cage (door open), on the floor. i heard his little tummy turning, so i carried him outside. he peed and then he pooped, but this morning his ppor smelled like blood. when i went to look, there were traces of blood in it. i put it in a plastic container and i am going to take it to the vet. then i gave him water, but not food. now he is laying on the couch with me as i type to you. please advise? any experience?
The only thing that comes to my mind with Coach being a puppy is worms. Worms do attach to the intestines and feed off of what the dog eats which can cause bloody stool. Worms can cause anemia, loss of appetite and runny stool.
Your doing the right thing in having it tested. I hope the little guy gets better.
***Edited By: halo611 on 5/7/2005 8:05:05 AM*** Reason: added
ok, he drinks water very well. very well. he drank a bowl full in the morning and a bowlful just now when he ate two cups of food. i just took him out(immed after he eats) and he pooped again, same type of poop.
he has been tested for worms and he was ok, he also got all of his shots. i will ask them to test him again. my appt was at 2pm, but i am going to take him in about 30 minutes.
He could also have a case of giardia or coccidia. I would get him to the vet ASAP for a blood work up even though he is still eating/drinking (and take the poop sample too for evaluation).
Has he eaten anything out of the norm, such as people food? I have a Crestie with IBS and have dealt with bloody poop & vomit for the last two years. My vet gives me a supply of Baytril and Flagyl to keep on hand for those times when Bandit's tummy is bothering him, but he's not sick enough to require a trip to the vet. The minute he starts running a fever, I zip him over though. Vet also gives me a supply of Carafate for Bandit as well. One of the first signs that Bandit gets that he's having tummy issues is his breath. It gets so rank and noxious and you can just hear his little tummy churning. I give him a 1/4 tablet of Carafate to help settle his tummy and many times that's all he needs.
Bloody vomitous & poop should not be taken lightly as it can turn very serious VERY fast.
I aggree with everyone else. Please get him to a vet ASAP. Blood in a puppy's stool is nothing to take lightly. It's a good sign that he's eating and drinking, but I would still take him in. Coccidia and giardia can be hard to find on a microscope. They do make a snap test for giardia, similar to the one they use for parvo. If he's been dewormed it was most likely drontal, or strongid. These don't cover for giardia and coccidia. Hopefully it's nothing serious. Let us know how he's doing.
I live in Michigan and we now have a Giardia snap test. I guess there were times the vet would do a Giardia test and it would come up negative when it was really positive. Well now My vet has the snap test. You will get a forsure answer. The cost of it is $30.00.
sometimes, if you don't push the issue, nothing gets done! ok, i went to the vet, on the way to the vet, Coach attempted to throw up in the car, but couldn't get anything up. well, the vet said that MAYBE he ate something, or Maybe he has somethinhg stuck in his bowel, Maybe it's coccidia, but what we'll do is not have him eat or drink anything for 24 hours. if he continues to vomit and have blood in his stool, then you CAN take him to an animal hospital and have them start an IV on Sunday, then Monday morning have him TRANSFERED back to her office. what???? ok, Mrs. Vet, what would you do on Monday if i have to bring him back? She said, well, we would run some tests, etc? Me- ETC?????, no, this is what i think you should do. you should act like its MOnday right now. take his blood, run your tests, take Xrays, make sure nothing is stuck, and send away for any reports you need. she said, i think that's more than you need. you dont know what it could be yet. Me- exactly, that's why i want to run every test you have.
i would write down all of the tests they did, but lets just say it was every test they had, well, except a pregnancy test b/c Coach is a boy!
all they found was that his WBC count was high and that it seems he is fighting a big infection. they sent away for giardia and cocidia. they did it in the lab at their office, but they said their results aren't always right. it cost about $90 (no exagg) to send it off, i didn't care. i want results.
i did learn that he isn't getting as much water as he could drink. she also told me that he is eating too much, (it was this &^%$^E#^%# vet that told me to increase his food to 2 cups 3X a day. now she is telling me to decrease his food to 1.5 cups 2X/day!
i got copies of all of his blood work and radiology reports, i got copies of all of his vaccinations to date and notes on everything! i got it because Monday i am going to a different vet. i am going to keep the vet at Banfield for the routine vaccinations that wellness plan, i already paid for, covers. nothing else. she saw me sitting there for the 3 hours and she never came to talk to me, she sent the nurses out to speak to me instead. she ran intot he rooms so quickly, she was definitely not trying to discuss anything! how rude! i am paying $428.00 (after the wellness plan discount) and she can't even tell me the results herself!!!!
Coach is sleeping now, i know he had a long day, poor thing. i will give him nothing but love tonight! maybe i will sneak an ice cube if he is really thirsty.
thank you for your advice and continued support. andrea
I agree, you need a new vet. I tried 3 vets before I finally found one that I adore. I should have listened to my best friend all along cuz it's where she takes all her dogs (Cresteds included). I let the other two vets in the practice see my dogs for everything except if the dog has to have anesthesia. Then I will let no one but Dr. Becker touch them.
Keep searching and don't be afraid to write down a list of questions to ask and call several vets to see what their answers are. If you don't like the answers, then search on.
tosa- you poor thing. Sounds like you got the run around. I hope that Coach is feeling better soon. I have to say though I used to be on the other end of the spectrum. I'm not making excusses for the vet, but Sat. can be really hectic, especially if they're only open part of the day. It's really hard to do a full workup on Sat. because usually the appointments are stacked up. But, you're right. The vet should have talked with you about the results of the tests not the techs. And she shouldn't have tried to put you off when you obviously wanted to go further with the workup. For cases like these we would usually try to encourage the owner to leave the pet with us for a while. Then we would leave about an hour at the end of the work day to see the drop offs. We usually had inpatient techs doing the bloodwork while the doctor and outpatient techs saw appointments. Then when the doctor was caught up or was waiting to see and appointment she would come, look at the test results, call the owner and give the rx's to the techs to fill. Sometimes this meant we stayed an hour or 2 beyond closing to get everything done but sometimes thats just what had to be done. Don't be afraid to ask questions though. A good vet will be willing to listen. I hope you have a better experience in trying to find a new vet.
jeanief- the snap test is different than a fecal smear. With a fecal smear they put the stool sample on a slide and look at it under the microscope. The snap test, basically they take the stool sample, mix it with a congigate, put several drops in a little well, then snap it down. You let it sit for about 10 minutes and it will show a little blue dot at the top to tell you that you did the test right, then if its postitive it will show a little blue dot on one side or the other of the control dot. Basically instead of looking for the parasites eggs as they do on a fecal smear they are looking for either antibodies or antigens. I don't know which the giardia test looks for. I think its an antigen test. This is the same way they look for heartworms only they use a blood sample instead of a stool sample. Its much more acurate than a fecal smear. Anyway, they don't have one for coccidia yet that I know of. Just giardia. And it is possible that the coccidia didn't show up on the fecal smear. I've seen this happen a lot.
No offense, but your vet sounds like a rather uncaring idiot. I use several different clinics because I know that some vets are better for different things. It is odd that they couldn't do a preliminary stool sample to see if it is a serious case of coccidia or gaurdia or worms. It also stinks that your vet wants you to go to an emergency clinic (which most STINK, and charge 10 times what normal vets charge for the same services). One of my vets is nearly 60 years old, but keeps really sick animals at his home at night if they are doing poorly so he can tend them ALL NIGHT if necessary. Another will make emergency afterhour house calls, or if they know one of my dogs are sick, THEY call me, just to check and see how things are going. I am an established client, but they allow me to be in an often assist all procedures. I know whats going on and I trust them. Bottom line find a different vet that you trust and respects you and provides services 24 hours or at least has another back up plan besides an emergency vet clinic. Good luck with your baby. Everything but parvo is fairly common and easy to treat.
What's guardia? I can't wait til Tosamom finds a new vet for Coach. The way the vet practically ran by us instead of stopping for a minute...ok, granted, it was a Saturday, they do work shorter hours but the least the vet could have said is, "I gave Nurse Betty the results of Coach's tests, she will go over them with you" or even "it's crazy around here today" Some sort of acknowledgement, something!! The vet should know people worry and love their dogs like they are children. Poor Coach, he is so darn lovable. It breaks my heart when he or any other puppy is sick. :(
I'm glad Coach is at home and resting. I do hope they find out what is wrong but in the mean time, start looking for a new vet. Some vets have no bed side manner at all and treat you and your pet like dirt. All they care about is the amount of money they can drain out of you.