Ok. I'm really upset by this one. Somewhere in New Mexico, at some high school, ( not really paying attention until I heard the word dog) They had this dog who was going to be euthinized (SP). and the teacher was going to sedaite the animal and then cut him open to let the kids see the digestive system. I don't know what happened as I was so upset I could not watch ay more and went to the bathroom. The dog was still alive....Appartently some of the kids went home and told their parents and that's how it got on the news. They did not repeat the story again (which they usually do) so I missed a lot. But I am really upset.
Thats sick. ~IMO, only people going to Vet School should do any dissecting! I hated dissecting worms, crayfish, grasshoppers, and frogs. I think its stuiped to have kids see that stuff!!! If teachers want to show stuff like that they should have slide shows or something~YUK and totally sickening! It only terrifies, does not really educate!
I have heard that in medical school, they use dogs for learning. They sedate the dogs, open them up for dissection and after they are through, give them the rest of the drug to finish them off. I don't know if its true or not. I heard this years ago.
I think kids should definately have to disect but not an alive animal! I've done everything from sharks to people and I couldn't imagine any of them being alive. What do they do,make it eat and wait the hours to see it pass!? I don't care if the dog doesn't feel it,I think its sick to make the kids see that. I wouldn't want to see that and I've dug through cadavers many times. It reminds me of something a seriel killer would do. Ick!
OMG that is just sickening. I agree that in high school (or younger) there are many other ways to provide the information. It's bad enough IMO to have to watch a disection on video, internet, etc. But if they have to do it, a living animal is definately not the way. Like someone else said earthworms were bad enough and that's all I ever had to do.
I hope that teacher gets his or her license pulled.
That is sick. I remember in middle school we were supposed to disect frogs and the company sent us a cow uterus instead. And there was a baby cow inside. We opened up and disected the baby cow. I was disgusted and appaled, I couldn't imagine doing it on something that was alive!! Sick.
i am against dissections......i would never participate in them in highschool or college. nowadays if a student is against them it is okay to pass on it and it doesnt affect their grades.
but i am kind of confused by your post. did you say the dog was sedated before the students cut him open ? if so, that is really not as bad as cutting him open while he was awake. aniamls are sedated for surgeries, i am not sure i see a difference here. maybe a clearer explanation of what they meant by sedated and whether they euthanized the dog afterwards is needed for me to understand better.
but i question where a high school teacher acquired drugs to sedate an animal.
this is a head shaking thing if you ask me...Why....I had the HARDEST time doing any disection..and I took plenty of E's in my day...and the college biology when I first started out fresh from High school ( in 77 mind you) I tried to pay some one to do my rat...I think i failed or i with drew from that class..and decided that the next year would be worse they were suposed to do dogs and cats...I was Hell bent on being a vet in my younger years..this whole thing turned me around and made me realise I was not up to doing any cutting on live or dead things...I just dont have it in me...i cant bait a hook either..not that im squimish..i just cant pierce the skin of any thing...WEll..I just think that High school isnt the place for that kind of thing..frogs and starfish are bad enough...oh geech...the God Awful smell is all coming back to me know..im gone..
IT was a dog that was vicious and they were ordered to put it down, because of the dogs history. I am not sure but I believe the teacher was not the only degree holder in the room. but i have had 2 teachers that are/were vets so that is how they could get the meds. the dog was sedated throughout the procedure and they "finished off the drugs" to PTS. at least this way something was learned from a healthy PTS- instead of just "worm food"
I see nothing wrong with using pts animals for disection. I just don't see why on a living animal. When you put them under the digestive system generally stops anyway and thats what they said they were studying. SO i just don't see the point. It wasn't just about one dog eitheir. The principal said it was something he supported so they'll do it more.
I can see how disection in general could be difficult for school kids to handel but I can not imagine how much harder it would be for them to see a dog being cut open (when many of them probably have pet dogs) and on top of it, knowing the dog is still alive.
As for the comment about disecting live animals in medical school (sorry, don't remember who it was from) - they do practice surgery and observe live cats for sure (and maybe dogs) under anaesthetic then when they are done they euthanize the animals.
It was done at the vets, my friends, and was a field trip.
I dont see anything wrong with that.
School regrets dog vivisection
SALT LAKE CITY (Reuters) - A Utah high school expressed regret on Thursday for the vivisection of a stray dog as part of a biology lesson.
Some parents and students complained after a substitute biology teacher at Gunnison Valley High School took eight girls, aged 16 and 17, to a local veterinary clinic on Tuesday to watch abdominal dissection on a dog under general anesthetic. The lesson was aimed at teaching students about the digestive system.
"It just makes me sick and I don't think this should go on anywhere and nobody is learning from it," student Sierra Sears told local TV channel ABC 4 news.
Donald Hill, assistant superintendent of the South Sanpete School District, said: "This shouldn't happen again. Our schools will not participate in this again. We don't condone this."
Vet Tom Anderson said the incident, reported in local television and newspapers, had been blown out of proportion.
"It was about a three-minute procedure involving abdominal surgery. It was done under general anesthetic. It was an aggressive and abandoned dog. It was not fit to be adopted," Anderson said. The dog was put to sleep after the procedure.
The school said permission had been sought and obtained from parents of the students, and that two students had exercised their right to opt out of the visit.
"All they did was view it. They did not remove or dissect any parts. It was not barbaric," said assistant principal Trevor Powell. "(But) we will have to find a better way next time."
It was not clear what action, if any, would be taken against the substitute teacher, who has not been named.
This has been crossposted with permission. As usual people have taken the truth and blown it all over the ceiling. ------------------------------------- Good grief. This story is destined to go from list to list for the rest of our natural lives, with a nastier title each time it is reposted.
In brief: A dog picked up as a stray was slated to be euthanized after attempts to keep him in a home failed due to a bad temperament. A high school advanced biology class, all of whom had specific permission from their parents went to a vet clinic where the vet anesthetized the dog and opened him up so the class could examine his digestive system. Neither the teacher nor the students touched the dog -- everything was done by the vet. Subsequently the dog was euthanized per the original plan. The public outcry forced the school to apologize and promise never to do it again..
For further info here's the school's comment on the situation:
Note the last line. This was a solid AR win on all fronts as one more potential use of an animal is now off the table.
Background: Gunnison Valley High School currently has 36 faculty and support staff serving 347 students in grades 9 through 12. GVHS, located in central Utah, serves the communities of Gunnison, Centerfield, Mayfield, Fayette, and Axtell, which have an approximate population of 3,950 people. Farming and livestock production remain a large part of the economic profile of the area with other economic influences of mining and the Central Utah Correctional Facility.
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As long as the animal did not suffer and the kids for tomorrow could learn something that is what matters. Make a terrible situation into something good. The dog was apparenlty violent and was going to be PTS anyway. Regardless if it was a teaching lesson or not. So let kids learn. Maybe some will grow up to be vets and the best there is all b/c of this.
This is the first time i heard it was done at the vets. Is this the same one. I heard them quote the principal and say it was something they were going to continue doing at the school. If the vet does it and it is a trip they aren't docked in grades for then I don't see a problem. But I still think it isn't necessary.