I just want to say something to everyone on both forums. Its no secret we've made it a hobby and pasttime of hating each other. So much stuff has gone down in the past and no one on either side is innocent, myself included. But this has made me think how silly and stupid we all have been.
Thoughout all of this Scout has been the one to want peace between the forums. I know you furum people are rolling your eyes about now, but its the truth. She kept hoping this truce thing would work. We all told her she was nuts, but she thought it was worth a try and went ahead against everyone's advise. Well emotions and sour grapes got in the way, and it didn't work. But Scout was always the only who wanted to try.
Maybe you saw her as mean, but she was never mean, she was hurt. People singled her out from the beginning as the bad guy and she could never understand it. It hurt her very badly at first, after a while, I guess she got used to it. I never could see why people picked on her in the beginning, she was always helpful and concerned, but each little disagreement built upon the other, until an impenetrable wall was formed between sides.
When I got the news that she was in the accident, we didn't know how bad it was. I thought she might be near death, as she was described in critical condition. Aside from the fact that I thought I was losing a friend, I was saddened that maybe all this hatred contributed to her accident. Maybe she was preoccupied with the stuff going on and that contributed to the accident. I dont know, but what I do know is its time to stop. For Real. I will be the first one to extend my hand to all of the people on the furum in honor of Scout's desire for a truce a long time ago.
So everyone get off the damn computer, go hug your kids and be thankful everyone is ok. There are more important things in life than being right.
Very well said, layla. I have to say I thought some of these things when I heard about her accident. Why is it that we have placed this wall between us, when we could all be friends. I hope this will help to bring peace, though I'm sorry it would be something like this to wake everyone up. Too often that's how it is in life. We don't realize what we've done until we think we're going to loose something very special like a loved one. Life is too short to destroy bridges. Maybe we can start to rebuild.
I agree completely. You know I was gone a while myself because I just got sick of it, but I've always kept in touch with her by email and she is wonderful good hearted person. I could never understand why anyone went after her either.
Lets just say that's in the past and hopefully things will be better in the future.
Just thought I'd post this e-mail that I got from my aunt. I do not know who the original author is since this e-mail goes on and on from person to person. I received it last year and it still found its way to me again. It's not a chain letter - just a little story to show how the things we do to others can effect them years down the road. I am not innocent at all in The War of the Forums, I've said some things a time or two. But it really will feel better if we can get along. I hope we can.
“Too Busy for a Friend & Need to get Priorities Straight”
One day a teacher asked her students to list the names of the other students in the room on two sheets of paper, leaving a space between each name.
Then she told them to think of the nicest thing they could say about each of their classmates and write it down.
It took the remainder of the class period to finish their assignment, and as the students left the room, each one handed in the papers.
That Saturday, the teacher wrote down the name of each student on a separate sheet of paper, and listed what everyone else had said about that individual.
On Monday she gave each student his or her list. Before long, the entire class was smiling. "Really?" she heard whispered. "I never knew that I meant anything to anyone!" and, "I didn't know others liked me so much," were most of the comments.
No one ever mentioned those papers in class again. She never knew if they discussed them after class or with their parents, but it didn't matter. The exercise had accomplished its purpose. The students were happy with themselves and one another. That group of students moved on.
Several years later, one of the students was killed in Viet Nam and his teacher attended the funeral of that special student. She had never seen a serviceman in a military coffin before. He looked so handsome, so mature.
The church was packed with his friends. One by one those who loved him took a last walk by the coffin. The teacher was the last one to bless the coffin.
As she stood there, one of the soldiers who acted as pallbearer came up to her. "Were you Mark's math teacher?" he asked. She nodded: "yes." Then he said: "Mark talked about you a lot."
After the funeral, most of Mark's former classmates went together to a luncheon. Mark's mother and father were there, obviously waiting to speak with his teacher.
"We want to show you something," his father said, taking a wallet out of his pocket. "They found this on Mark when he was killed. We thought you might recognize it."
Opening the billfold, he carefully removed two worn pieces of notebook paper that had obviously been taped, folded and refolded many times. The teacher knew without looking that the papers were the ones on which she had listed all the good things each of Mark's classmates had said about him.
"Thank you so much for doing that," Mark's mother said. "As you can see, Mark treasured it."
All of Mark's former classmates started to gather around. Charlie smiled rather sheepishly and said, "I still have my list. It's in the top drawer of my desk at home."
Chuck's wife said, "Chuck asked me to put his in our wedding album."
"I have mine too," Marilyn said. "It's in my diary."
Then Vicki, another classmate, reached into her pocketbook, took out her wallet and showed her worn and frazzled list to the group. "I carry this with me at all times," Vicki said and without batting an eyelash, she continued: "I think we all saved our lists."
That's when the teacher finally sat down and cried. She cried for Mark and for all his friends who would never see him again.
The density of people in society is so thick that we forget that life will end one day. And we don't know when that one day will be.
So please, tell the people you love and care for, that they are special and important. Tell them, before it is too late.
Ok....I am woman enough to call a truce as well. Life is too short! A dear friend of mine just lost her father & her own dog on 6/6/05 & then this past Monday, on 6/13/05, (1 week to the day), her mother passed away. Needless to say, I've been doing a lot of soul searching & thinking since then. No one knows what is truly going on in each others lives as this is merely cyber chat. God speed to Scout for a quick recovery!
i think everyone has said and done things in their past that they wish they could take back. but god made no man perfect and thats why he created the gift of forgiveness. theres no reason why people cant enjoy the benefits of BOTH forums. and get along. and yes i do believe that scout wanted it that way as did several others. so why not forgive and forget and move on and make people feel welcome .and enjoy all the excellent advice from all the great people on both forums. be thankful that we are able to sit here at our computers and enjoy each others company. there are many others that arent as lucky
I'm glad that Scout seems to be doing ok. I for one, am definitely more than willing to let bygones be bygones and put the past where it should be. The two forums need to be able to co-exist with each other. They both have their own special qualities about them that maybe the other one doesn't. I agree, we can get sick and twisted sometimes and it really sucks that it took something as horrible as this to realize our stupidity and childishness. Myself included. I wish only the best for Scout1 and pray that she has a speedy recovery and gets home soon so's she can see how much everyone thinks of her, even the people that have had a beef with her before. Very well said, lalayla!! *BTW, this is MollieMae01, just in case nobody knew
***Edited By: ChopperDean03 on 6/8/2005 11:46:16 PM*** Reason: add
I completely agree. Not only that, but a lot of us have known each other for a very long time now. And even the ones that don't agree have known each other for some time now. We don't know each other personally, but in a way, we are all friends. So that history alone should be reason enough to stop all this feuding. Maybe even starting over and unbanning all the ppl that were banned from TP and visa versa for the other forum? I think that would be a good start. I think Scout's accident has taught us all a very valuable lesson, and I feel blessed that not only will she be okay, but that maybe things will get better between members. You guys are all great, I just wanted to tell you that :)
*****side note******Get well quick Scout!!! We miss you already!
HM, I couldn't agree more. Life is short and you just never know. Thank God someone was able to let us know. Thank you Bron/winnie for that and thank you mizzi for keeping us posted. It occured to me that something could happen to any one of us and no one on here would know. How sad as I consider many people on here to be friends. A good time to reflect. And to thank God that Scout will be ok. I hope she is better soon, I will miss her emails and posts. She can always make me laugh. Oh and does anyone know what happened with that poor fish she has at work? The one who all her coworkers though would die? Remember at Christmas she was trying to figure out something to get it? LOL.
Not much I can add that all us pet lovers said all ready. I regret talking crap, never met anyone on either forum in the flesh. Looking another human in the eyes and talking about what really matters can be very difficult, but ultimately rewarding
I can honestly say, without a shread of doubt, on my son's soul that I have never ever "hated" another human being. I've been livid, thought inappropriate things about others, but we as canine/pet community have a unique sensitivity that I cannot explain. I did not have an epiphany tonight, but some things are more important than a battle of he said this, she said that..blah..blah.
Not saying by any stretch of the imagination that anyone hates anyone else or anything along those lines. I talk lots of crap, mostly good natured, often times confusing..lol. I'm a bigger guy with a big, nasty country dog. I freak out when my Basil wilts, almost went to the shrink when some caterpillars ate my eggplant and pepper plants. Would have a tough time dealing with "real" problems. I keep saying "I" in this, not appropriate and not the way I think or ultimately act on behalf of others. e
I must say the Lord moves in mysterious ways...and things happen for reasons we dont know most of the time. I for one have alwsys valued Scout/Amy and she has alwsys been good and decent to me. I wish to state also that I am quiet proud of all the ones who have openly stated that they want the past to be behind them and stop all the foolishness...I respect the fact that Jawlaw posted in her name to state her feelings and Mollie as well. Most Furom folks are good decent people who have no part of the original problem but who get sucked into it. I know they (will) appreciate the truce as well. So please...every one...dont let the feeling die down...spread it to your fellow pet lovers...and Amy...get better soon...
This was such a good post about peace and Scout's wishes for both forums to get along. Too bad someone disregarded her wishes and deleted Jawlaw's posts. Jawlaw posted that in behalf of all the Furum members, (even the one's that never even heard of Scout,) in hopes of a speedy recovery for Scout. I'll make a point in letting Scout know that Jaw sent her best wishes to her and her desire to put all bad feelings in the past. Then maybe everyone can enjoy being a part of a pet forum without being suspicious of one another.
Hey everyone!!!! This is paigebeverly. I was having trouble posting with my name so I had to make a new one to post. Starnge... its show that paigebeverly is logged in though. I don't know whats happening. Maybe its my computer.
Anyways... I can call a truce. Hey chopper...I mean Mollie.
And I am praying for Scout to have a speedy recovery.
Pitpat, I agree. There are times when petty arguments are just that-- PETTY. Had something inappropriate been posted it would have been one thing, but what was deleted was good wishes. I am guessing it was done by one mod. I don't know which one and it doesn't matter, except that it doesn't look like the feelings of that ONE person reflect the way most people are thinking right now. I'd hate to see the deletion of a well-intentioned post by a single person with their own individual reasons cause hard feelings and start the whole he said she said mess all over again.