How many of the pups does this mysterious organization want to take? Don't both of your breeds tend to have larger litters? How are you going to place all the pups if say the Mom has 13 puppies and the organization only wants 3 or 4 of them?
I don't know a ton about service dog training, but I've looked into it. Don't the pups have to pass a test before they will even be accepted into the program because they have to have a certain temperament and willness (that is almost never seen in a whole litter - there is usually onlya a couple of pups in each litter that work out as service dogs)? So would you just hold the whole litter until the pups are 8-12 weeks old and can be tested and THEN try and find homes for them? How many serious pet homes do you have lined up? Because it isn't always easy to place puppies - especially with friends and family members. I've had a dozen friends or family member say they want on of my pups - until the time came to actually go through with the adoption process. Just in general, about 75% of the people that tell you they are interested in a puppy will back out. And I would think with working dogs like you have that finding homes would be even more in depth than it is for me as the families would need to have the space for a big dog and the right kind of training outlook for both breeds.
My other question - how old is your female? Because it's best for them to have their first litter before they are 3 or sometimes there can be complications - both physical and emotional - for the Mom? Are you planning on finding an adult male that would be ready to breed right away? Or are you going to grow out a male puppy? Do/will they both have their hip and eye clearances done before you breed? I imagine any service organization would require that as I doubt they would want to put time into training a dog that may develope crippling hip displaysia.
I think the doubt in you lies in the fact that you keep saying "I know what I'm doing" but you haven't so much backed it up by sharing any of that knowledge with us. And truthfully, I think that if you need to come onto a random message board in order to decide if you need to breed your dog is a little odd. That's a pretty big decision to be getting perfect strangers advice on. You're responsible for those pups for 10, 15 plus years if you intend to be a good breeder. You need to decide if you're doing it for the right reasons - and the right reasons don't include whether someone will pay you for puppies.
I have places lined up for the pups. My mother will be taking at least one pup, my uncle will be taking 2 and the organization wants 4. And my mother and my uncle don't care if they are mixed or not. They have also already payed me and signed an agreement. Plus not all of the dogs will be for service. I dog will be going to my friend susan who has just lost a dog and she will be signing an agreement in about a week. Also all the dogs which will be going to become service dogs will be given to them for free. Also all the females in my dogs family tree haven't had that big of litters the biggest litter has been 10. Any dogs left over we will keep. My female just finished her first heat and she is 1 year and couple of months. Her birthday is on March 21, 2004. I am planning on breeding her next year. I have a apossible male doberman and german sheperd that she can breed with next year. The german sheperd I have met and my doberman has met. The male doberman I will be meeting on june 24 and 25. One of the requirements for a stud for my female is that me and my dog must meet the dog first and then go froom there.
Just curious. Those are two wonderful breeds that are being breed to create a potentially great litter of pups. Don't get me wrong I love the huge variety of dog breeds in the world but why these two particular breeds?? Like I said..just curious, not trying to rile anything up. Love and respect both breeds. e
You have people who have signed for an paid for pups that don't exist and may not exist? What if your female doesn't conceive? What if she is inferitile, or reabsorbs her puppies, or miscarries - or developes pyometra and must be spayed? I'm not positive this has been thoroughly thought through - and if it has, then I'm not sure the thinking process was well planned.
I have people place deposits on my pups 6 months in advance that are only partial payments and state that I have to actually have the puppy or the money is refundable.
You didn't really answer my big questions. I'm not so concerned with the mix breed thing (not my cup of tea, but it's a minor issue with this "arrangement"). What if the pups don't pass the test to be service dogs? (they don't have the right temperament for it) And are you going to have their hips and eyes cleared before breeding? Because I would think that any serious service dog organization would require that - especially with the two breeds you are dealing with and their chance of hip problems.
I did also want to point out that while family tree litter size does give you an inclination on how large the litter size will be, I have a sheltie female that comes from a line that consistently has 5-6 pups per litter and she has had 9 puppies - so you have to count on the chance of more. You also have to look at the fact that she may only have 4 or 5 puppies (the dog I just mentioned of mine, her daughter just gave birth to 5 puppies). So if the organization takes the whole litter, what do you tell your family members? Do you breed her again.... It's a vicious cycle...
My point largely is that you can only base so much on your "demand". I would be concerned that your main reason for breeding her is that someone told you that they want pups from her. Do YOU really want to be a breeder with all that is involved with it?
New question.... what kind of guarantee are you offering? Are you willing to commit to these puppies for life?
If you're giving the pups away - how are you planning on covering the costs of raising the litter (possible emergency vet care on Mom, shots, dew claw removal, wormer....)
okay, i don't think anyone bashed mixed dogs, cause i own 2 and only 1 purebred. and actually if you know dogs and how to read them. knowing their backround and history is futile. i know totally fearful dogs. that have benn with solid dog owners there whole lives. so, the pound is a perfect place to get dogs. the "beagle brigade" by U.S. customs is totally one hundered percent rescue dogs. nobody is attacking you, we just do not agree what you are doing is right. and surely everyone can't be wrong. I think you are going to do what oyu are going to do regarless of what i say.
Yes Abby the puppies do have to pass a test. I know this because five of my pups went to be service dogs. It took about two hours.
The director came out to my house, meet the parents, then spent about an hour.. just meeting all the pups, and watching how they interacted, and then picked out the pups she wanted to do more testing on.
She also put me in contacted with another Lady that runs a training bus. that has just started working on a service dog program. She normaly doesn't work with pups. She saves dogs for the shealter, and trains them to be wheelchair asst. and heart asst. dogs. The lady for the first service dog place was so happy with the pups she got, that she talked this lady into coming out to see the last two pups i had...And she did pick one...
But both ladies did test the pups..... And if the don't they can't enter the program.... So trinity you could end up having to keep all your dogs...
I hope you live outside of city limits..because living in the DFW area I know that all of the big or main cities here have a limit.. Which is normal 3 dogs....
It is fine if I keep all of the puppy's but my doberman has been tested with here eyes and everything else. Also I will be backing each of the puppy's for there at least ten years also the agreement with me already being paid for the puppys is that if they don't get there pups then I give then there money back and find another dog for them that they like and I will buyu it for them. I have alot of money that I have saved up for this breeding most of it came from a life insurence plan from my uncle that I got when he died. I have plenty of money to spend also the life insurence thing was doubled so I got 60,000 dollars from just that. This account also gets interest. And if I do have to end up keeping all of the puppys that no problem cause in the party of the DFW area I live I am aloud to keep 4 dogs and the rest of the puppys I can't keep with me will be going with my mother. My mother has 12 acres of land that has a barn on it that isn'r being used but it is a new one that has stalls ready for horses and everything. She has agreed to take all the puppy's if I want her too. Also the people who have already paid for there puppys knows me and are over at my house every weekend some of them actually are going to meet the stud dogs.
and BTW, 9 out of 10 german shepherds are not good working dogs-they are difficult to train, and only a very small percentage are REALLY good dogs and easy to train. I think you are an idiot if you actually want to purposely mix dogs! And just for your information, it is easy to say yopu wqant a dog, and then when it is born back out and say you changed your mind. THEN where are your puppies going?
to answer your question about 10% of the dogs breed have what is called the golden traingle. good structure, good health, good temperment. I train dogs in in a sport derived from police training. working dogs are my passion. police train ten dogs. 9 won't become k-9 officers. they may go to another organization that doesn't require the stress of being a k-9 cop maybe 3 of those will have a career. most dogs that do not make it lack drive. a drive so strong that even gun fire won't scare them. they will do there job no matter what. finding an extremely confident dog is tough. even 2 of the best parents in the world will not guarntee strong puppies. and even if they do. training has to be just right. it is not hard to ruin a good dog. the police use dogs cause a dog is much faster and is a non-lethal way to bring down a perptrator, also most people are afraid of dogs. more so than a fire arm. a dog does not miss, can climb a fence. jump over a car. and they can do it without fear.