It sounds like you've talked to people who've fallen victim to a common misconception.
High protein levels do NOT cause failure or distress to the kidneys (meat has extremely high levels of protein after all!). HOWEVER- dogs who HAVE kidney problems should NOT be on a high protein food. The protein doesn't cause the issues- it exasperates the already present issues.
For a high drive, go-go-go dog- high protein levels are fantastic. It's probably one of the closest kibbles to feeding raw.
***Edited By: LongDogs4Me on 6/23/2005 7:49:01 PM*** Reason: .
Thank you longdogs. I've never fed evo.. but since no one seems to have a good experience to share.. even with high energy dogs, It made me think of the protein percentages, since that's the only thing that seems to be really different between some of the other good quality foods and evo.
So in that case, what is it that causes issues?
I've heard so far about projectile voitting for weeks, bloody trots, and in I think 3 cases mid stage kidney failure (although you are right they could have already been having problems even possibly unknown to the owners). Everyone with bad experiences has had to switch to bland food after for sensitive tummys.
I'm sure there are dogs doing well on it, just people tend to mention the bad rather than advertising the good when they have dog food issues.
mafia I have been doing much research on dog food. and it is a common misconception that dogs do not need protein and fat. dogs primary energy source is protein and fat not carbs. we ar backrds mostly carbs and fat then protein. hence why people lose weight on low carb diets, they have to burn more fat and protein. now a canine will eat veggies and fruits on occasion naturally. I have even been reading the study of wild dogs and wolves what they naturally like to eat. they will eat the preys stomach and intesines first. the scientific theory is a dog has a hard time digesting grains, fruits and veggies. so they eat predigested grains fruits and veggies from there prey's stomach. then they go for muscle meat and other parts. the dogs insticlvely will not eat much of cleasing organs, liver, pancrease, and even will steer clear of some animals hormonal glands. now a discalimer a dog with liver or kidney problems may have a hard time with this. it may irritate or make a probelm more aggressive. so a high protein diet is good for dogs if they are free from liver and kidney problems. I am trying EVO. I am looking for an easy alternative to raw for travel. also, kibble, including are cooked or baked. killing good microoragnisms that are help the dog digest. but most of the things i have read said this is minimal but in some dogs with a senstive stomach can cause upset stomach and other gastro-intenstinal problems. I found some other interesting facts. Obesse dogs are lazier. and lean dogs are more active. this believed that a this is a natural reaction in a dog to make the dog hunt for survival. EVO is some power packed food. and i am very leary of kibbles, especially ones with shiny packages and glitzy advertising, but so far i am not to disappionted. i am only feeding one dog. some noticable things are, his coat is rougher and a little duller, and his teeth are getting kibble tarter on them. stool is fine and his energy and feeding habits are normal.
mafia, also another good thing i like about EVO, No grains and it is preserved with vitamin E and not soduim chemicals.
***Edited By: gunny on 6/23/2005 9:35:06 PM*** Reason: r
Thank you Gunny.. I'm glad to hear one positive EVO story, lol.
I had just heard so many bad ones that I couldn't really see the difference other than protein% between it and high quality kibble.
Speaking of veggies and such *sidebar* I know of a dog on a vegan diet she is so allergic to every meat source they ever tried to feed her. So since she has no choice she is all over fruits and veggies like mad.
I don't doubt that you've heard it, Mafia- but honestly? Who in all of heck would allow a dog to have projectile vomitting for more than a day? Weeks?? Nuts. Sounds like either an exaggeration or a really weird pet parent. :)
EVO is a very rich food- and I can easily see how going from a grainy food to EVO would cause dietary upset, though- which in turn can cause bleeding in the gastrointestinal tract- which in turn can create bloody poo. But again- for weeks? Someone would have to be nuts to allow that to go on for more than a day without contacting the vet- and being prescribed a high fiber food for awhile. Nutty.
NO- not the right food for even *most* dogs. And must be integrated very, very carefully to avoid some serious belly issues- especially when dealing with a dog who was fed a very poor diet. And some dogs will never be able to adjust to the richness of the food- probably be gassy and loose on it.
But it does have it's market- and is truly a great food for some. Those high-drive herding dogs who work all day, dogs who compete and hunt and are out there GOING. It's also proved to be great for lactating doggie-moms. :)
No, I didn't say these people were good pet parents... Just reading about food issues on other forums.
I wouldn't let my baby have those issues like that for more than a day either.. but I read more than I post on other forums..
Thank you for the extra info longdogs. It's good to see it really isn't a great choice for some animals though.. I just wish some of the local feed stores knew this..
Heck, I knew more about nutrition then they did when I went last month. Tried to get me to buy inexpensive crap food. I sat on the floor for 30 minutes pulling bags off the shelf to read the ingredients. My Mom nearly died when I told the lady in the store to stop suggesting food to me. I'd be afraid of evo being randomly suggested to a person who didn't know that it's for extremely active dogs. ugh.
mafia - went right out after work and looked at the bag of food I had in my truck. It isn't Evo and the protein percentage is min 24%. The girls seem to be doing pretty good on it. I'd be happier if their stools were firmer, but they like to dig in the dirt, eat grass, eat dirt and ewww eat slugs. Needless to say, we haven't treated to get rid of the slugs. Don't need to poison my babies. Thanks for the heads up on Evo.
Oh yeah, Innova sprays on the Micro-organisms after the baking and cooling process. At least according to the pamphlet on their Large Breed Food.
***Edited By: wolf256wolf on 6/23/2005 10:57:58 PM*** Reason: ++
What did you finally end up with? Please??? Three huskys with loose stools is not fun. Especially in the middle of the night. The Pet food store I use also has Wellness, Eagle Pack (I think) and several others. No Solid Gold and I've done tried the Merricks. I'll use the cans but not the dry.