If you do not know what kind of training schutzund is, why on earth are you considering having your dog trained that way?
Schutzund Is ATTACKING TRAINING for police dogs, attack Trained in GERMAN, Spanish, English, and Sign Langauge. Your dog will have to go threw intence Obedience training first for many many months before you would even be considered for this type of training, because your dog is not the only one who needs to be trained, YOU will need to be very educated long before you decide to enroll your dog into a class like that.
Schutzund is not training you should play around with especially if you don't even know what kind of training it is. Much less put your dog threw it.
It takes months sometimes even years for your dog to be trained this way. It is not training any kind of AMATURE needs to try out unless they want to get hurt.
You will have to obedience train your dog in many different langauges you have to learn too. Your dog will have to be qualified before any kind of schutzund training organization would even consider your dog or YOU.
And they don't take too kindly to mix breed dogs or any kind of WOLF hybrid or mix.
No you should not even try and get your dog to train like this unless you have some kind of reason for needing a highy trained attack dog who is trained to bite to kill.
I have trained German shepards, dobermans, pit bulls, and rottwielers for many years in this stage of ATTACK TRAINING and take my word for it, when you are in class or anywhere for that matter and you give your dog the command to attack it is not something you need to happen unless you really know what you are doing at all times with this type of trained dog.Because your dog will be out of control unless you know the words that dog understands to stop attacking. If you will watch that show COPS you will HEAR the officers talk to their dogs in GERMAN COMMANDS when they speak to their dogs. You will see the dog respond to only the officers commands. They train them dogs in different langauges because when the dogs are used properly you will have a lethal weapon on your hands. Yes I said WEAPON. Because a dog can kill as quickly as a GUN or anyother weapon known for killing a human.
Please EDUCATED YOURSELF BEFORE TRYING THIS TYPE OF TRAINING. And this messageboard here is not even a good start because you have so much to LEARN.
This is just some friendly advice and I highly doubt that there are even any type of classes in your area or anywhere, because this is not any kind of training those type of people are even qualified to teach. Unless you can go to a police academy for dogs to enroll only after they deem your dog and your own education worthy of the next step of the schutzund training classes they teach their police dogs with.
I don't know about wolfdogs, but the president of the local schutzhund club around here told me that by and large GSD are the easiest to train, but a lot of herding and working group dogs can be used with great sucess.
Wolfdogs...weren't those thing banned in the 90's like pittys are now?
AND I beg to differe with you on those breeds. I have never seen any kind of dog other then the ones I have listed above be trained in that type of training. Besides you didnt even bother to try and tell him what it was or what kind of training it was at all.
***Edited By: peanutmypoodle on 8/26/2005 8:53:31 AM*** Reason: *
NO obedience training and showing is a sport. Agilty is a sport. Nascar racing is a sport. Horse racing is a sport.
Schutzund has no compotition shows or sporting events to attend.
There are no shows to go to because attacked trained dogs are not out there to be shown in any kind of sport. I have been training these dog for years and not one time have I ever heard it be called any kind of sport, if you think its a sport then you are very nieve and shouldn't handle such a highly trained dog.
A dog trained this way is a lethal weapon and can land you in jail or the hospital if you have no idea what you are doing.
I'll not argue with anyone we all have our own opinion on what we consider a sport or class. And my opinion is schutzund is not a sport.
No personal offence to anyone, but it makes me ill to think someone would try to educate someone else using the word SPORT when they obviously have no idea what they are talking about on this subject. And you can call on who ever you want to, but schutzund should never be viewed as any kind of sport what so ever.Especially when it is a type of dog training that can make your dog a KILLER and you a criminal because of your inexperience with handling a dog trained in this field.
***Edited By: peanutmypoodle on 8/26/2005 9:20:44 AM*** Reason: *
Ummm, here's where the National Schutzund Club lists their events and the results. They have events and competitions and dogs become titled. ( I am not claiming to know much about it at all, but I was pretty sure that it was a sport with competitions and titles, so I checked) http://germanshepherddog.com/events/national.htm
I'm not telling anybody to go do it, I would expect that it would take someone with much experience and the right dog. But no reason to tell people that there are no competitions or anything when, in fact, there are. It is odd that you wouldn't know that since you have trained dogs in it...
***Edited By: shinyblackpit on 8/26/2005 9:26:39 AM*** Reason: asdasdasdf
quote"What do they do?do you think a wolfdog would be a good choice to do schutzund?where can you get this training and what are the prices? thanx"
It is spelled Schutzhund.
Schutzhund is German for "protection dog" but it also refers to a training discipline and dog sport involving 3 phases: obedience, tracking, and protection. It is suppose to be a fun experience for both the dog and the handler. It is not a sport that will train the dog to attack but rather to control him on attacks. It is not the same as police training.
On the research that I'v done it involves a lot of time. I wanted to do it with my GSD but I just don't have the time.
I don't know much about wolfdogs, but I doubt it they will be suitable for the sport.
About the cost, at least on two places around my area that I checked it cost it around $400 annually.
Gunny in this forum I believe is involved directly with the sport so probably he will give you even more info.
***Edited By: ben on 8/26/2005 9:32:12 AM*** Reason: spell
thanks you everybody.I had never planned on taking a wolfdog through it but my friend is.I am getting a german shepherd and I kinda wanted to use it for protection.I know a lot about obedience training,I have trained many dogs in advanced level.thanks again.
hey everyone. i have great news my next schutzhund dog hit the ground this morining at about 6 a.m. mama is fine. 5 girls 3 boys.
as for schutzhund with a wolfdog. breed is important but does not automatically disqualify. DVG is a federation that would allow your dog to compete to the national level. I have not worked with a wolfdog ever. so take my knowledge as second info. but a wolfdog might be to nervey and if the dog is already an adult it could have been taught things that will conflict with schutzhund. schutzzhund dogs are trained and raised far different than a pet dog. jumping up, nipping and pulling on a leash are allowed as a pup. if you teach the dog to be a great pet and not do these things. you almost have to re-teach them and some dogs will forever follow the pet rule and not the schutzhund rules. but you never know some older dogs have done fine and some have not.
people do get scared of this kind of training. thinking the dog will become a killing machine. i have never seen this. more often than not , adog will not want to do the work finding it to stressfull. that is okay, i have a dog whom is worthless on the field but is a superstar friend. many people get scared about teaching a dog to bite. dogs for one already know how to bite. we just get them to do it when told. there are people who take dogs that are just no fit for the work and force it down there throats. these people are doing the dog a great disservice and are creating a "civil" dog. a dog whom feels he is fighting for his life and playing the game. usually these people are very unsuccesful and again the dog does not become a ramaging best but more like a docile, lathergic, i fear my owner dog. the best dogs are taught that it is a simple game of tug of war. that they seem to always win. Schutzhund is not attach training, nor is it police work. the dogs are not trained to attack people but to attack the sleeve. if you would stand next to a sleeve and tel a dog to attack the dog woul attack the sleeve and not you. the commands do not have to be in german. they can be in any language. the dogs first arriving were all from germany and taught in german. so the trainers just kept using german. it is more a novelty today than anything. my dogs use english.
my dogs are totally one hundered percent social. the temperment required to be succesful for shcutzhund, at least the way i train. is to have social, extremly happy dog, that is not afraid of people but loves to play with them. even people the dog does not know. my dogs do not think they are biting someone they are playing. and they know difference between a a park and schutzhund field, a normal person and a decoy. this is all done through classical conditioning.
going to a club first, and watching and asking questions is the first thing i did. and te best thing i did. i found out exactly what is, how it is done, and most important am i comfortable.
peanuts reaction, is pretty typical, they see the dog biting a sleeve and that's all they see. the protection phase is one side of the triangle, your dog has to go through obedince phase and a tracking phase. this is not a part-time sport. it requires time and lots of it.
there are so many little facets of dog training and what goes into training a dog like this. that it is to hard to explain over the net. anyone concerned or have doubts about what i am talking about go to a club. one preferbly that has been succesful. as with anything else there are morons out there. or even better go to a competetion and you will see the differences in training.
in closing there other sports. mondeo ring, french ring and belgian rin and new one i am not familiar with sun-dog. these sport are the same in that they are protection sports. but with differeces. non of these require a dog to track
I would like to add the united stated schutzhund club of america. does list schutzhund tournaments.
YOU are talking about police training, and not schutzhund. They are two different things, although they are similar.
Yes, you are correct that this is a serious sport, and you should know what you are doing.
NO schutzhund or police dog should ever have the unstable personality of an aggressive dog! They should ENJOY what they are doing!(Imagine a game of tug-o-war!) I've seen several schutzhund activities and police dogs in action(demos) and all through working their tail is wagging. Is a wagging tail a sign of an aggressive dog that we should call KILLER? Please, also note, that schutzhund dogs are trained to go after the arm. Biting or puncturing the arm will not leave a man dead.
Oh, and it surprises me that you have never heard of the Malinois and the Dutches!! IMO, they are superior to GSDs when it comes to that type of work.
Please, peanutmypoodle, try not to be as judgemental. I'm sorry that I could not explain in more depth about schutzhund in my first paragraph due to the fact that I have busy days. I only have so much time,....
Also, although you may not have meant it this way, your posts suggest a "know it all" attitude. I understand that you have tons of experience with training such as this,...but some of your posts make me question your knowledge.
***Edited By: tessa_s212 on 8/26/2005 6:32:27 PM*** Reason: ---Edited to add