i never really gave it any thought as to how much one should pay for a purebred dog, pet quality or show quality.
i decided on a breed and talked to a couple of breeders. they all asked right around the same price so i just picked a breeder and paid for scout what they asked for her, which was originally 1000.00. since the first expected breeding didnt take her breeder offered me a pup for 850.00 if i stayed with her and waited for the next mating. i thought that was a fair deal. it never occured to me to price shop. if i couldnt afford to pay what they asked i had two options. dont buy the pup or wait until i had enough money. scout is the first dog i have ever owned that i actually paid money for. all the dogs i have ever had i have always gotten for free.
i think that in general different breeds go for different amounts. i think if you talk to several breeders in the breed you want you can get a fair idea of what is normal price and go from there.
forgot to add ...... renorey isnt lying =) the woman was a witch and unfairly won that day =( i dont think there are enough of us in my breed to be as political as other breeds are but it is attitudes like that woman displayed that day that really give me a sour outlook on the breed ring.
As far as pet quality vs show quality-both breeders that we met with for brittanys said they sell ALL their pups for the same price. (no matter "quality", no matter age or sex) I think the one breeder said it best-she breeds ALL her pups to be the best they can be. Therefore, they are all the same price.
Well trust me that witchy womans attitude will catch up with her. Judges talk amongst each other.
I hate to see people give up showing because of the political part of it. You have to keep at it, put nice dogs out there, take some handling classes. Practice in the mirror. Go in that ring and showboat that dog, ecentuate <sp> its best features. Like running your hand along a beautiful topline when the judge is looking, if your dog has a better front than rear stand so the front is aiming out just a touch more than the rear. Set up on the edge of the mat, don't let people put your dog in a hole. Watch pro handlers, their eye contact with the judge how they handle and such be a monkey follow every move they make. PS. Go a little slower on your down and back.
If you really wanted to get into it there are a lot of magazines that judges recieve for free with dogs and handlers and owners pics in them thanking judges for their wins.. Bragging pages.. Start putting your wins in these magazines. Let them now your face and your dogs and that other judges are putting your dog up. Keep a list of Judges that like your dogs and you and show under them.
PSS Putting your wins in some of these mags is cheaper than a hiring a handler... Or at least used to be..
Even if a dog has never shown under a judge before don't kid yourself and think they don't know who the top dogs are in the country or who's being pushed.
Best of luck... Hey even the witchy woman and her cronies started somewhere...
***Edited By: LuvsTalMen on 3/11/2006 1:20:49 AM*** Reason: added
catlover...just be careful, if you are looking for a pet, your fine. But if you are looking to show, then in general....a breeder who says that pet and show quality are the same price because they breed them all to be the best they can be ....is likely not a peron who has show dogs. It generally reflects on someone who only has pet quality dogs and is not familiar with show quality and doesnt show her own. But if all you want is a pet, than your fine, if you want show quality, keep looking, they just want to sell the pups. Unless they are all on the higher end for pricing and she just doesnt sell her pet qualities any cheaper.
***Edited By: lpn169 on 3/11/2006 2:25:43 PM*** Reason: add
I paid $750 for my male piebald mini dachshund(planning on showing) and then $250 shipping.
I have paid for a pet quality dog between $50 and $250-It's really hard to find a dog that anyone thinks they are worth more even with testing because people here just aren't willing to pay it. People where I live want something for nothing, that's why I went out of state for most of my doxies! So I could get GOOD dogs. I do have pets, and though the most I've paid for a pet is $250, I would gladly pay more than that-up to $400.
I know. Why do people not value a pet enough to pay something?? Here I could have gotten 20 giveaway border collies, but I wanted one from a breeder who breeds for what I wanted in a border collie. So I went out of state and am paying $500 for a 1st choice red shorthaired border collie. I will get the first choice of the color I want. She breeds gorgeous working dogs-they are used for both agility and sheep/cow herding work, and I want a good agility dog! And don't even get me statred on labs. People around me are breeding so many that people are giving away purebred registered labs! I have heard of registered labs, dachshunds, poodles, chihuahuas, min pins, and even st bernards to give away here! It's ridiculous. I want to vcry when I hear someone say "Today's the last day for these whatever mix puppies. If they don't go by "whatever" day, they're going to the vet's" I have been known to call people who do that and make a stink!
lpn, thanks. This breeder, although she sells them all for the same price, "guides" people as to which pup they should choose. She doesn't say you HAVE to take a certain pup. But-if there is an excellent prospect for a show dog, she will sell that one to someone who shows. If she thinks it will be a better hunting dog (or field trial/hunt trial) she tries to match that pup up as well, with a suitable owner. So she does her homework, matching pup personalities to owner expectations.
I used to refuse to spend over $400 for a pet Sheltie (before I started raising them). This was before I realized what goes into raising a litter of puppies and that most breeders who ask under $750 for a Sheltie puppy are cutting corners somewhere. (for example, I ask less because I'm just starting to show my Shelties - most of the time though it's things like : they don't run a fecal panel on their litters and don't have the foggiest idea if the litter has worms, or they aren't well vaccinating their puppies or dogs, don't give heart worm, don't let their dogs have toys, feed Ol'Roy, etc...)
I think the biggest thing that the average pet buyer misses is that the breeder needs to be doing more than just breeding two nice, random dogs to have nice puppies. When you set your budget low - or without understanding WHY the average price for a great puppy is X amount of dollars for that breed - that you may be forced to settle for a breeder who isn't going to help you out if you have a problem. Riley's case is a PERFECT example. She paid a decent price for Riley and when she had some problems with him, her breeder stood behind him and did the responsible thing.
Or the breeder may not know enough about their breed and the health issues to raise puppies with good temperament and good health. You may save $100-200 on the purchase price but it may mean you're going to have $1000 or $2000 in unnecessary vet bills later on because your breeder cut corners and isn't interested in helping you.
And price absolutely does not imply quality 100% of the time. I actually have no problem asking a breeder what they base their price on. If they can ONLY say "the quality of my dogs..." I turn around and walk away. I like to hear things like "I feed a great food, have my health testing done, I actively show, I make sure my dogs and puppies want for nothing, I commit to you for life..." I want to know they are basing their price on something concrete and not just "because they can ask that".
I've bought "cheap" dogs in the past. It's bitten me in the butt more than once (I'm a slow learner...). My most recent addition was a little male with an amazing pedigree (I mean REAL Champion pedigree - champion sired, and his grandsire is one of the top dogs in the country right now in the breed - MOST of his pedigree is Ch.) and great potential to help me do well in the ring. I paid $1500 for him and didn't bat an eyelash because I know his qualityand what his breeder put into him are 100% there (he has fabulous temperament). I didn't choose him based on price at all. I found a breeder that I liked her ethics, the way she runs her program, and whose dogs I was impressed with that had something I wanted in my program - and in my life.
If you check the newspaper, craigslist, and other papers you can probably get a toy or mini poodle for free. This week alone, I saw two mini poodles for free to good home. If you just want a pet, I don't see why a rescue/pound dog wouldn't do. My mini poodle is a rescue and my shih tzu is a rescue. Both are purebred and have very good temperaments. I wouldn't trade them for anything. They also came potty trained and know basic obedience.
Truthfully, rescues are just slightly less of a gamble than going to a BYB (I say slightly less because most rescues make sure the dogs are rehabed before they adopt them out). I think if you don't have kids and you have the time, patience, etc... for a rescue it should definitely be the first place you look, but I disagree when people point EVERYONE in the direction of rescue.
Yes, I do raise puppies myself - but I have rescued dogs myself. I've bought from pet shops (before I knew better), from Puppy Mills (because I nievely thought I was saving a life), from BYB's, and from good breeders. A puppy from a good breeder is a TOTALLY different situation and the reason for going to a good breeder is often that the family wants something that will fit into their home without them having to correct mistakes made by unknowledgable breeders or pet owners.
My rescues came with baggage. Yes I overcame their problems, but it took probably close to three times the work and patience that training and socializing my well bred puppies has taken. And my rescues came with health issues (one is deaf - and I knew that when I rescued her - but the other had joint problems that required expensive surgery). And I know you take a gamble with health issues with any dog - but the odds are less with a well bred dog and if you get a good breeder, they will often help you out anyway they can.
MOST dogs that end up in rescues are from less than ideal breeders. Why do I say that? Because most good breeders do as much as they can to make sure none of their puppies will end up in a rescue situation and they generally don't sell to the type of people who would drop a dog off at a rescue. The percentage of dogs in rescues that were from a good breeder is pretty low. That means you have a much higher chance of ended up with a dog with shoddy temperament or some kind of inherited health problem.
It's not really any different than choosing to adopt a troubled child vs. having your own baby.
I just don't agree with telling everyone looking for a pet to go to their rescue. There are people that rescue is NOT right for. That's why some dogs get adopted and then get dropped back off at the shelter. These people actually think they are getting a dog with no problems.
weloveourdogs - I think it's great that you got wonderful rescues. And MANY MANY rescue dogs are wonderful companions with little to no problems (it's not their problem that the humans in charge of them were idiots) - but rescues are not right for every person. Though I do think that if the person has the patience and ability to care for a rescue that they should pursue that avenue first. But I personally think it's harder to find a housebroken, obedience trained rescue dog than you made it sound.
thanks abby for making it sound like rescue dogs are nothing but problems and people shouldnt adopt.
instead how about pointing out some differences that may lead to a more successful adoption ? like adopting from a purebreed rescue ..... whose dogs are in foster homes with families that KNOW what the dog is like, works out any kinks that MAY be evident and can match up the perfect dog with the perfect family ? or any private rescue that does the same thing ?
or that many shelters temperament test dogs before even putting them up for adoption and have a better idea what families would be a good match ?
there is no guarantee that just because you buy a puppy that you will have any better of a full grown dog. how many well meaning people can screw up a perfectly great puppy and turn it into a nightmare of a dog ? TONS.
there is no predictability in puppies. with an adult or older pup there is to some degree. you know how big the dog is, its activity level, already housebroken, past the chewing stage, etc.
the 9 year old rescue we have came to us with no issues. i think she was very well taken care of by her previous owners and was given up due to no fault of her own. there are MANY MANY dogs out there just like that, that deserve equal chance at a new home.
I see everyones points about rescue and buying from quality breeders paying the price. But my budget is still the same. I put a want ad out on pet finders and if they dont come up with a suitable match by the time i can come up with one I'd like to purchase then I'll I'll just buy one out the classified ads or through my vet.He's on the look out for me to.I'llget my poodle one way or another.
uummm i wonder if that lady is still letting her poodle run loose in the pet store!ROFL!!!Just kidding to yall serious people!
I want one thats still in the puppy stage so it will be easier to train to get along with my montley crew of animals I already have. Shelters dont offer to many poodles under 1 year old because I've already been loooking. And I dont want a male, Dukes a male ,he's nutered and still cocks his leg and does macho things.I just want a healthy female,under 16 weeks,papers and pedigree not important.It will be in a loving family,spayed and spoiled, Dont want to refinance my home for it but willing to pay!LOL! Thats not asking to much.
Add..and I started this topic to see how much other people have paid for thier pets.I'm nosey!Come on folks fess up!LOL!
***Edited By: duchess on 3/13/2006 8:48:30 AM*** Reason: add
Sadie I payed 550.00 for . I think she came from a pretty decent breeder , some people may not think so. I'm willing to pay for my dog of choice to as much as 1500. Piper was free ,but the pick of the litter. The breeder I bought Sadie from gave me Piper after what happened to Sadie . Tig was free.I see nothing wrong buying from a breeder your dog of choice.I have 2 adult females and the one is very dog aggressive and the other extremely jealous. A rescue is not a option for me .The dog has to be a puppy at about 9 weeks old in order for me to bring a dog into my home.Right now i'm happy with my 2 babies though.
Yeah my choice of wanting a puppy had alott to do with Duke and duchess being pitts. I've fostered adult dogs but I had to keep them seperate from each other but i've never had trouble with puppies. And the poodle rescue in my area dont think I'm a good canidaite for their poodle pups because I own pitts( they dont consider owning them esp.Duke who was resuced from the fighting ring, probally makes me a better canadaite!), have 3 older children that happen to be boys and my vet will reference me, fenced 5 acre yard that I would fence the poodle seperate(Of course she'll mainly be a house dog 99% of the time) and so I have a feeling pethelpers wont be able to meet my criteria.
I'm seeing that allot of people are willing to spend more for pets that meet thier expectations in a dog. Thats good news for serious breeders, becuase if they breed better dogs then the puppies are better off getting into better homes that can appreciate them.
I agree with Scout when it comes to rescue.I have fostered 20 dogs.Half of the them were pupppies.Half the puppies were designer dogs and the othr half were purebred.We had breeds from a golden retriever to a poodle.The time that we did buy a puppy form a breeder the dog was a nightmare.She had constant runs,never housebroke,barked non stop,was dominit,she was just a terror!
my 3 rescues now are wonderful.My youngest cocker was 3 when we got her,housebroken,obedience trained,never chews and never jumps.My oldest cocker was9 when we got him,housebroken,obedience trianed,never gets on furniture and never chews and hardly barks.I dont really like puppies.I picked adult dogs even though there were puppies to choose form.I also picked my old boy because I wnated a dog that was special needs.My rottie is a year and half old,he was 8 months when he came into rescue.You can not get a better crate trained or housebroke dog than him.He is obedience trained to.He doesnt meet the standard and he does have papers with AKC.He is a lovebug and yes he has his behavoiural problems but what dog doesnt have at least one?
Again to the original topic Im looking around at different breeders for different breeds.I found a GSD breeder who breeds the old style GSD's with no back angulation and great temperemnts.She only breeds pet quality an she has a 7 year garuntee on the dog.Her prices are $1,000 to $1,500 and when Im ready for another dog I might buy from her.That would be my limit for a pet quality for that breed.Im talking at least 4 years down the road.
***Edited By: cockerlover on 3/13/2006 11:21:28 AM*** Reason: add
I had been wanting a second yorkie for sometime now,however didn't want to pay the 1000+.I got lucky, I got Rocco ,who is almost 2 for $400 and he came with , akc reg.,new clipper set,playpen.really nice carrier,bed, tons of toys and many many clothes..too cute! alot of other things too.I felt like I had a baby with all the stuff she brought over.