I'm so grateful to this forum. Our bulldog/boxer mix who is 5 just had luxating patella surgery 3 days ago and is recovering as she should, I think. We just started working on range of motion last nite (day 2) and she's just starting to put a little weight on the new leg. But it's pretty scary esp. at first since there was a decent amount of swelling. One question: can ortho surgeons put drains in for this kind of surgery? I didn't think to ask b4, but now am wondering bc of the swelling. It is, though, gradually going down and should look almost normal 1 week out according to the surgeon. Our girl had a grade 3/4 patella & a half torn cruciate, so the surgeon deepened the groove, pinned the tendon, & fixed the cruciate.
One other question we have is whether anyone experienced with this would say taking a long car trip at one month out is do-able? We have to spend the holidays with family and it's a 9 hr drive. We can crate her there and will have extra help if she still needs to be slingwalked, and we'd travel with her on a dog bed in a crate in our suv. My main concern is the minor jostling of the car trip,and honestly not being able to imagine how much better she'll be one month out. Thanks for any advice!!!
My pug had surgery several months ago for, as the vet said, "the worst luxating patellas" she had ever seen. trinity was from a backyard breeder and should never have been born. Her knees were a mess, she could barely walk by the time we rescued her at age 5 to 6 (we don't know how old she really is). The surgery cost us about $1800 for both knees plus a few hundred for xray pics and diagnosis. It's important to understand the cost can vary based on the weight of your dog. Trinity is only 11 lbs, so the anesthsia is pretty cheap. A larger dog will always cost more. Also our surgeon works by traveling to different clinics and using their facilities, so no over head for him. I believe this lowers the price as well. Her surgery was very extensive. The doc broke off a corner of her knee where the tendon was originally attached and moved it over pinning it in place. He shortened one tendon and stretch the other side. He also deepened the grove that the knee cap is supposed to sit and smoothed out all the calcification that had developed over the years. Post surgery she began to walk the very next day. And was completely healed within two months of the surgery. Its also important to remember that she lived in pain all her life, so the pain from the surgery wasn't anything new to her. Also the Dr. said they did both knees on the same day so she would be forced to walk on both legs immediately so she would not favor one and atrophy. I'm sure that when the surgery occurs due to injury the dogs reaction after is very different. But for a dog born with severe luxating patellas the recovery should be relatively easy due to the constant pain the dog was already experiencing. the pins can slip out after and may need to be removed. Trinity had one pin tha slipped, but so far not far enough that it needs to be removed. But the vet said that if it starts to protrude more we need to bring her back. However it has been 6 months since her surgery and so far so good.
My male 10.5 year old pug started limping recently so I took him to the vet, after exam and xrays was told he had a grade 4 subluxing patella on the right with significant secondary arthritic changes, and, incidentally, a bad L hip likely due to undiagnosed hip dysplasia which has caused significant arthritic changes. I really don't want to put him through the surgery, especially at his age (although he is otherwise healthy), but it seems I need to since he has no good leg to stand on, literally. I am concerned about the recovery, as he is very active, jumping on/off the couch, spinning in circles when it's time to eat, running and barking at anything he sees outside the window, and I am worried about how to keep him from moving around after surgery. Also his sister/litter-mate is constantly with him and I am not sure how to handle that situation. Any advice would be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks!
Thanks to all who have taken the time to write in--it's been very helpful to read your posts.
I am debating whether to have my dog go through the surgery. Oliver is a 7 pound yorkshire terrier/chihuahua mix & is about a year and a half. He's a rescue dog, and has such a sweet personality. I went to the surgeon & he rated him between a 2 & 3 grade. He has no pain & you'd never know he had an issue--it was a fluke that I found it out. The vet said he would detach the part of the bone where his ligament is attached & then reattach that to a different location of bone.
Has anyone delayed the surgery or opted for other options that might work (physical therapy, etc.?)? Or, someone who's dog has stayed at 2/3 for their entire life without it deteriorating? This is such a big surgery, I hate to put this little guy through this challenging ordeal unless it's absolutely necessary.
My other dog, Audrey, is actually his aunt & has the same problem, but she has a lower grade & the vet said hers could wait & I could try physical therapy.
I live in Santa Barbara, Calif. and the surgeon, whom I've been told is excellent, gave me an estimate of $2500-$2800 including everything. Things tend to be more expensive in this town...if anyone knows a surgeon who is EXCELLENT (for them doing a first-rate job is of course the most important thing) and less expensive than that somewhere in the central coast or LA area, I'd be most grateful for the referral.
Thank you, and I hope you & all your pooches are very well indeed!
I have a yorkie/snaun mix that has been dx with a stage 1-2 lp and put on crate rest and anti inflamm.. meds for 8 weeks. The vet does not seem to think I need to jump into surgery. She said it will run 3000 and said there is actually no vet near here. That will not include x rays and any extra's such as travel. I really just can't afford this, I would love to hear from any one who has been successful with anti inflammatory meds and non surgical methods. I can understand that surgery, would be optimal. But at over 3000 a knee. I can't be the only one that is having to opt out. I don't however expect my dog to spend the rest of his life in pain. I do know some day the time will come when these meds may not help anymore.
My vet said she had a friend in the same shape and her dog had done fine for 2 yrs now.. I am just trying to connect with other's who can't afford this surgery.
My Miniature Poodle has had a grade 1-2 luxating petella, since I adopted her at 1yr old. My vet told me to let her be a dog. Keep a close eye on the knee, but exercise would help strengthen the muscles around the knee. Yes it would pop out on her, but she was able to put it back into place with no problem. She would hop on it a couple of times, and back in it went. I put her on 1/2 the recommended dose of glucosamine, and she still get the same amount. She is now 10yrs old. We have never done surgery. She jumps on furniture, runs around, and sometimes thinks she is one my mini aussies.
I am not a vet, nor do I work for one. I actually groom dogs. let the dog be in a small amount of pain, and be a dog. pay attention to what they do. Limit jumping as much as possible, train them to do doggie steps. by allowing the dog to feel some pain, he will know what hurts, and what doesn't. Obviously don't let me be in extreme pain or anything. If you give pain meds, they don't realize they hurt and can do more damage. Do the ant-inflammatory meds, and cage rest until there isn't inflammation. (Coco never has a problem with inflammation)
What worked for my dog, may not work for yours. it is a choice you have to make. But at 10yrs old, Coco is still my nut case poodle. She has not problems, and when she hurts she knows it.
I have tons of Questions. I am sorry for that. I am so glad to find that your poodle has done so well and for 9 yrs you have had your baby! That is exciting. I have read on another board somewhere about the supplements. I have also read not to go overboard with the rest, my dog is extremely active.. I suspect this is an injury, right now my dog is crated.. I can tell he has been in one before. I got him at about 5 months of age from a shelter. I have not been comfortable with the vet. It is who I always use as I live in a very rural area.. she said Legg's perths.. she did no x ray and then put his knee cap back in place.. But I can't find any where that says Leggs perths has knee cap involvement?? Do any of you know if this is the case? I can only find where luxating patella is and it's not leggs perths??? Thanks for all the help.. I am stuck for now as even a second opinion is almost impossible
I spoke to 2 vets that do surgery for both and they both agree Leggs perthes.. and the knee joint together will not mix in a dx. They feel she could not of DX leggs Perthes without an xray.. in stage 1-2 I crated my dog and finished the previcox and added in glucoxomine and chondroidine..(sp) supplement... Found a vet I can afford and I will do the X ray work up .. so far he is looking good.. I really hope he can do without the surgery.. He did well in his crate.. but he is one of the most active dogs I have ever seen. I was able to find a good vet in OK that will do the consult and surgery max price under 1300... I know he is good.. I got his name from a trusted friend... ( I am going to drop the vet I had if I had listened to her, I could have put my dog down.. assuming I had to go to a university and pay over 3000 just for surgery.
I had put this message on another forum, just what some advice on it.
I have a 4yr old pomeranian puppy, and he had a grade 2 of Luxation patella when he was 1yrs old, and I was told to close him off in a small section of the house so that he would not move as much, and to limit him on walking and just to have him go to the bathroom only outside for 2 weeks, and as I did what the vet told me, my dog at the time was fine for 2 years, but now he has grade 3 on his left hind leg, and as I research about surgery, I notice that there is a 50% chance of it returning which means additional cost and suffering to my lil boy, so I was told to try glyco-flex by a friend, and the VET told me that my dog would have to lose weight as this contributes to the luxating patella, and since he is now losing the weight it has gotten better, but sometimes he is able to pop the knee back into the groove himself.
so I asking does anyone that has grade 3 of the patella on their dog know about or has not done surgery on their dog to know if glyco-flex works, as I am not deciding against the surgery as this cost me $2800 per leg, but for now just his left leg. NYC is my area
Hello everyone! ! My puppy Bella was exactly 11months old when we noticed a sudden change in her ability to use her back legs. She is a poodle /Schnauzer mix. We took her to a animal er on a Friday night when they diagnosed her with luxating patellas. Her left knee was at a 2 and right 3. We were really concerned and the fact that she couldn't walk so suddenly was especially scary. So even with the expense of surgery we knew she needed it for the best quality of life. We paid $2,500 total for both knees at the same time. I personally recommend if both knees need to be done that u do them at the same time. Cheaper as well as I wouldn't want our little one to go through this twice. Bella had surgery Wednesday which was 5 days ago and is doing much better each day. Bella came home with a fetenal pain patch which was making her vomit often. We removed patch and that helped but she is still not eating very well. We made her rice & chicken and tried beef and for meds tried pill pockets and so on. Nothing worked. She's too smart. She now is on liquid meds that we squirt in her mouth much easier: ) this surgery is very tough on dogs but in a way even tougher on owner's. I'm writing this to say hang in there to anyone who has to get through this. Be patient and make sure after surgery they take it very easy. I'm still new at this and am worried bout her all the time but the surgery has really good results most of the time and they deserve the best chance for a healthy life just like people do. Money can't replace your friend & companion. ..good luck everyone! !
Grettings My dog Molly is just over a year old. She is an active lab/rhodesian ridgeback mix who weights about 65 lbs. About six weeks ago her knee went out and our vet diagnosed medial patellar luxation grade 1 and prescribed a pain killer. She has continually limped for five more weeks so I did alot of reading and felt her leg was alot worst than grade 1 I thought maybe a grade 3 because the knee cap is out more than in place. I took Molly to one of the best Orthopedic Veternarians in southern California and he diagnosed her as grade 3 and recommended that her knee be scoped that she didn't require full surgery and would heal much sooner. The estimate was $3,800 and said it should be done soon. I took Molly to another Orthopedic surgeon who also confirmed grade 3 and recommended scoping at an estmate $4,700 adding that the old surgical methods were not being applied by most surgeons and that since we have used the same technics since the 1950's, the follow-up research shows that in some cases the surgery has done more harm than good over the long haul. My local vet said he would do regular surgery for $1,500. Since the primary vet didn't get the diagnoses correct, I have concerns regarding his surgical skills. I'm not sure as to how I should proceed, but for me this is alot of money. Is anybody else getting similar advice and pricing?
Like everyone else, I'm searching for more info after our pug was diagnosed today with grade 4 luxating patella in both knees. Ugh! "Zoe" is 3 1/2 years and lives in NJ. Our vet has identified three or four hospitals and surgeons. I'm in the process of calling and gathering as much info as possible. I thought I'd post this message to ask if anyone has surgeon recommendations in my vicinity or experience with the following hospitals (GSVS, AERA, animERge, or RBVH). I've learned so much reading the previous posts.....especially the post-op expectations.
My baby girl Cutie (2 yrs old) just had surgery for a luxating patella which was a grade 4. She has been doing fairly well, but she is not urinating like she should be. She's gone only 3 times in the last 2 days, with the last time was over 19 hours ago. The vet says not to worry...but of course I am! She has eaten a little and has some walter too. I've been taking her out and setting her on the grass, but she tries to go back to the house. Has anyone else had this happen after surgery?
My little Pokey Man was diagnosed about a year ago. I could not afford surgery at the time and really still can't. But I had a bad realization today that things are getting worse. He was laying on the floor today, got up and started yelping. :-( It about broke my heart I guess things are getting worse and I am very nervous. He is only a 5lbs chi/pom. I feel like he is so small. Any advise to a concerned mom?
Am I crazy or have some of you lost your mind? $3,000 for surgery for a leg? These vets are taking you all for a ride and you are getting dragged on the pavement! They know you are going to do anything for your dog, and they take advantage of it. There are vets in smaller cities who will do it for much less. Do not get taken advantage of. People work too hard for their money to spend that kind of money and give it to someone who is ripping you off because you are gullible.
My 4 y/o Pom has a grade 4 on her right leg. She normally has a little limp when she walks and once in a while (sometimes more often then others) she has to hold the leg up and can't use it. I have had several opinions from different doctors all suggesting surgery and am finally about to take the plunge. My concern is that I want to make sure that surgery will definitely help the issue. I need to know that after a full recovery she is likely to have full use of the leg. No more limping. No more stumbling when she tries to do her favorite trick, the infamous Pomeranian "wave". Because it really breaks my heart to see and I don't want to put her through a surgery that may fix the knee but will still leave her in pain even after being fully healed up. Then again, ANY imporvement would be wonderful. I really just want her to be as happy as possible. What has your experience been like with you dog (mostly the ones with grade 4 like mine). Has surgery made a difference? Good or bad? I know all experiences may be different but I just want the opinion and experiences of someone who has gone through it. Side note : Foxxy isn't extremely active. She does like to strut around the house with her favorite toys doesn't do much running tho unless really excited. I don't let her jump off of anything like the bed or couch and I always carry her when it comes to stairs unless it's just a few steps. Like I said before she does love waving, which I think is the most strain that really gets put on her leg and I can easily keep her from doing that if necessary. (she listens very well and very well behaved). Walks are always short as she is always straight to "business" and long walks are rare because I see that her leg is a bit sore afterwards so I just don't do them.
My two year old Coton De Tulear, Sammy had Luxating Patella surgery once. It was a little over a year ago so it's not too clear to me but, it all started when everyone in my family noticed he was limping. A day or so ago Sammy had jumped off our chair and landed really hard. So we thought he just hurt his leg and it would heal within a couple of days. But after a week he was still limping. Then we thought something must be stuck in his paw pad. We checked it ot all over but there was no sign of anything in it. Eveyone let it go for a day he kept on limping. We figured something must be seiriosly wrong. We got Sammy checked out at the vet and that's when the news was broke to us. After we took him home after the surgery he was quiet. We had to put a cold compress on his leg sometimes. It was hard for him, but now he's through it and back to him good old self.
Our 16 month old pittie girl had the surgery done January 19th, 2012......We noticed every so often Ginger would limp on her back right leg, maybe once every day or two...It slowly got to the point where her knee was popping out 8-10 times a day, every time it did, she wobbled over to us for us to pop it back in for her....our regular vet recommended another Dr and I am glad they did....We met with him and found out the extent of her damage and did not hesitate getting the surgery done (this was the 3rd vet we had taken her to) Her right knee was a 3 on the scale, her left is a 1 so were hoping she won't need surgery on that one as well, but if she does I would not hesitate..... Ginger is only 3 days post op but the way she is "TRYING" to act you'd never know she had anything done, although we are keeping her calm and making her take it easy, I honestly think she is on the road to a very speedy recovery.....I think the 2 great things that came out of this is our baby girl is back to normal and finding a new vet that we totally love!
My eight year old Terrier Mario from the Barrio just had his luxating Patella surgery 11 days ago, I am waiting for the doctor to call me back. I just took off his collar and completed his meds, he won't get out of the cage, I took him, picked him up to go potty and he yelped, he is in pain, I gave him a extra Rimadyl that I had before the surgery when he was not able to walk on his leg for three weeks before the surgery. Now my heart is breaking. I know he has to go poop since he went pee this morning, but I can't let him walk down the stairs. I will put a potty pad near him in case he wants to go....poor guy.......
Pet Plan Insurance is GREAT, they will pay you 80% of your surgery and up to 8k a year with a 200.00 deductible and about 400.00 a year depending on what plan you pick. I did research on my Mario's surgery and had three different opinions on my 18lb dog. They wanted to do a TPLO for 4500.00 and a TTA for 3700.00 and the one I chose was 1800.00 and it was the less evasive surgery without having to cut so much bone and was recommended for a little dog, lateral sutures......