I wanted to know what you guys think about buying a puppy, and the breeder flying it out to you. We might buy a puppy but they live in a different state and we dont know the details.
-Is it safe? -Does it harm the dog IN ANY WAY? -Do you think it is the best way of transportation? -Should I trust the buyer if they are using this form of transportation for the puppy? -Are there any risks? -Whats your personal opinoin?
my pup was air shipped to me and she was fine. They are placed in pressurized compartements as far as I know. the breeder put fresh food and water in her crate and gave her nutrical before she was on her way. She arrived a bit scared, but was fine after a few minutes.
TraumaMamma, that article is from 1999. the airlines have stepped up their animal care policies 100 % . most airlines will not even fly animals during the summer months. especially the brachycephalic breeds. when i picked up my babies fron sea-tac airport, they were all behind the counter with the counter workers and they had fresh food and water in their crates. they were all in good spirits. rocky hopped back in forth in his crate like a bunny . i had a hard time getting him out to smooch him up, he just wanted to play !
Last I heard a few weeks ago they have yet to find her (Vinnie I think that's the spelling) She was a Whippet :-( Makes me very sad b/c I have a greyhound and even though we've only had him for a few months I don't knowwhat we would do if something happened to him :-( (as I'm sure any dog ownder can relate to)
-I don't think airline shipping is a good idea if its not climate controlled. I'm not a breeder I've never shipped a dog so I don't know.....
Altho it is an older article, continental didnt fill out the shipping sticker, mark when stitch was fed or watered and I dont know when she ate last when she left Texas to Ohio. At all. It was a BLANK shipping sticker!!!!!!!
it wasnt marked and it wasnt done, as far as I am concerned.
That and she was marked for 10 lbs and 8 wks......
she was 4 wks and 2.2 lbs...ripped from her mother. So, the food and water was worthless if they did give it to her, I had to teach her to eat and drink.
The airlines didnt do their part, IMHO and we quite snotty when I called them on their end.
i am surprised the airlines accepted a puppy that young. i always thought they had to be at least six weeks old. a girl on my frenchie forum had a bout with delta airlines. the puppy never arrived and when she finally was able to get through to someone , they said it had missed the flight transfer and would be sent out on the next flight. missed that one too. she had a friend that was at a dog show a few hours from the airlines where the puppy was at. she had her go pick it up. she said the pup had no food or water and was dehydrated. she was sooooo pissed off and i dont blame her. that puppy had went all day without food or water.
I have never had a problem with sending my pups to thier new homes via airplane. They are ready to go starting at 8 weeks old, and you need a statement (and copy) from your vet saying that the pup is acclimated to temperatures and is well enough to travel, as well as a form from the vet stating what shots, breed, weight, and color the pup is; none of these forms may be completed over 10 days before the pup is expected to ship out, which means the pup must be re-examined before the forms are filled out. I would hope that vets wouldn't just hand out the forms to whoever without examining the pups to be shipped, but who knows. I have always used Delta however, and arrive at the cargo area one hour before the flight departs for check-in and sit with the pup until the last minute. I also try to send them on a non-stop flight, or if a layover is necessary, the shortest layover possible on the desired day of delivery. I notify the new family of the flight #, departure time, any layovers, and arrival time, as well as when I get to the airport, and when I leave, so that they know the pup is on its way. At the cargo center in Cincinnati, they actually weigh the pup and the crate, and have paperwork to state when youlast fed and watered the pup. I always freeze the clip on bowls anyway, so that way they have water the whole flight. Hope this helps. I'm sorry to hear about what happened to your pup, TraumaMamma...that's really ignorant and greedy of someone to do that to a pup, your pup is lucky to have you. Sorry so long!
***Edited By: Newfie_girl on 4/30/2006 10:40:32 PM*** Reason: sp
I just purchased a standard poodle puppy over the internet, and he is being flown from W.Virginia to us in Alaska. I have never done anything like this before and I am very nervous about the whole thing. I guess you have to blindly trust the breeder has the experience to know how to do this. If not, I guess I will learn the hard way on this. Very nervous, and hope all will be well for the puppy
Airlines are required by FAA regulations to report any problems or mishaps involving shipping dogs and cats, and overall airline travel is safe. The puppy will be stressed, but it's going to be stressed no matter what from the move from one home to antoher :P
I have shipped quite a few puppies both as the buyer and the seller with no problems.
But here's the thing - you have to be using an honest, intelligent breeder. I won't ship a puppy before it is 9 weeks old and it must be at least 4 lbs (I raise Shelties). They travel in a medium sized kennel so that they have plenty of room to move around. I fill the bottom with shredded white paper and a blanket (so they are comfortable) and put a dish with frozen water in as well (it melts slowly which reduces spilling but still gives the pup something to drink) and usually put a little bit of food in as well. They are fed right before we leave for the airport.
I fill out the feeding and water instructions myself. I am an experience shipper so I know what the airlines are supposed to do procedure wise and make sure it gets done (I make sure the airbill is correct before I sign in, that the food and water instructions are correct, that the kennel is tie locked in front of me). I also ship out of a small airport and the agents know me by name. They have my cell phone number on file and I don't leave the airport until the plane takes off.
I only use Northwest Airlines (I placed a puppy with an airline inspector once for a different airline and she flat told me that Northwest would be her shipping choice as they really are excellent with their traveling pets).
So to answer the OP's questions :
-Is it safe? *** Yes - provided the dog is healthy to begin with, is old enough, and large enough to be shipped, and the breeder takes the necessary precautions.
-Does it harm the dog IN ANY WAY? No - not if the above is followed as well as if the breeder has done a good job socializing the puppies. My pups fall asleep in the terminal while I'm checking them in, and usually hop out of their kennels when they arrive and are ready to give kisses.
-Do you think it is the best way of transportation? I think it's better than the "ground transport" services that are offered sometimes. I'd trust my puppy with the airlines before I would Joe Blow transport driver who isn't accountable to a government agency!
-Should I trust the buyer if they are using this form of transportation for the puppy? You mean the seller - correct? There is no reason not to. Almost every breeder you are going to talk to now adays ships. The only ones who don't are usually people who have never tried it. Most show breeders ship their bitches to well known studs or ship their show dogs to shows. It's a very common practice.
-Are there any risks? There is a risk that on the way to the vet your breeder could get into a car crash and your puppy could be killed. There is a risk that when you go to pick the puppy up at the airport you let it out of the kennel and it's hit by a car. There are risks in everything if you look for them. A small percentage of puppies shipped are lost or die. It's probably similar to the number of pups that die in random freak accidents as well. I know a whippet breeder down south that lost a whole litter of puppies to a rattlesnake...
And to TraumaMamma - You story sounds more like the breeder was shady. The airlines don't know what an 8 week old puppy from random breeds are supposed to look like. You are required to have a certified health certificate in order to fly a puppy. If the health certificate says 4 weeks and the airline took the puppy THEN they are at fault. If the breeder forged a health certificate or has a vet willing to do that - obviously it's not the airlines fault. Buying a puppy from a dishonest, shady breeder is a bad deal all the way around - and you can get screwed over by a breeder you can meet as well. I know someone who got a puppy from a breeder who changed the birth day on her litter so she could broker the puppies sooner. The person bought direct from the breeder, but her bill of sale had one birth date and the AKC papers another one. Some breeders are just dishonest creeps. Obviously your breeder knew how to work the system one way or another. I happen to use a reputable vet that puts the age of the pup on the certificate as of the day she signs it. So she makes me bring the pup back for a second exam if I'm shipping them (doesn't charge me for the second exam either - she just wants to make sure that only healthy puppies are shipped - I also have to run a fecal panel on the pups and it must be negative or she won't sign the certificate).
Choosing your breeder wisely is the important part of the equation. If you can find one near you, within driving distance that is always best - but it's better to ship a puppy in from a great breeder than to buy from a lousy breeder just because you can pick the puppy up. Look at what their policies are and make sure you like them. Ask for references from buyers who have previously had puppies shipped to them. The best sign you can look for is a breeder who isn't shoving the puppies out the door. Most small breed breeders keep them until 10-12 weeks at least. Most good breeders keep the puppies until 8-9 weeks at least even if the pup is being picked up. And they will hold the puppy longer for you if you need them to.
I choose to ship, because as a buyer, there aren't any breeders of my breed that aren't Puppymills or BYB's in a 6-8 hour drive of me. I choose to ship as a breeder/seller, because being in the midwest, a lot of the people in my area are content with buying cheap from the PM's and BYB's and they don't want to feed a good food, would rather skip vet care if they can, and in general think outside only dogs are okay. I want good homes for my puppies and if putting them on a 5 hour plane trip insures that - I'll do it.
But - if you can find a good breeder in your area, go that route. Otherwise, then look at shipping.
The internet guy I bought from did not send me the pup I saw pictures of.....but I didnt have the heart to send her back, she had been thru enough. I did get paypal to rule in my favor and they closed the account he had......
I got humane society out there to investigate him and talked with a gal at the USDA who knew the guy. Said he gets his pups from Columbia and a person she knew got a pup with parvo from him.
Stitch is lucky to be alive and it was alot of work and praying to get her here. I cant imagine my life without her tho!!
I have gotten one of my dogs shipped to me from Nebraska and am having another one shipped to me from the same breeder this Friday. She does an interstate health certificate, freezes water in the dish and trys to find a flight that is convenient for me to pick the puppy up.
I think it is very safe and have not had any problems.
Good luck with your choice. If you have any concerns you should contact the seller and if it is a reputable breeder they should be able to answer any questions you have.
I am not demonizing it. I am merely stating what I went thru, of which I had no idea how much CAN go wrong if you have no idea that such things can go so badly in the first place. For me, I will NEVER have a pup shipped, or ship one myself. Ever.
I will say the airlines were not good about it on my end. They shouldnt have shipped a pup with the sticker not filled out at ALL, or two confliciting date of birth on the health certificate AND the shot record.
AND the vet cert was from Mexico. All in SPANISH.
It was a bad situation all around and it wont be the last time it happens to someone. I am merely putting my story out there. A dog got lost at Westminister this yr as well.....stuff still happens.
I have shipped out quite a few puppies and also had puppies shipped to me with no problems. Puppies have always arrived happy and healthy. I'm sure problems can happen but I'd say if your buying from a good breeder that cares about their puppies then they will make sure they are shipped safely!