I have 2 Old English Sheepdogs and I purchased an invisible fence a year ago when they were puppies. They are amazing. If you follow the trainer's instructions it will work. They may get out once or twice but that is just in the beginning. Mine don't even have to wear their collars anymore. I would recommend buying one from a fence company - the ones in the stores aren't as high quality.
I keep in about 8 Boxers at a time running in an acre fenced field with field wire (light mesh wire) on the outside and a single strand of hot wire (electic wire) on the inside. The don't touch it, they don't bounce on my field fence, they don't even try to jump it or dig under.
For my dogs it is forte knox, and I like it that way since we live on the corner of two busy roads.
Actual electric fence is a LOT different than underground fence and a collar. They know it is there, they know what is 'biting them' and they don't mess with it.
It is the only thing my mother has in a lot of her pastures to keep the horses contained.
***Edited By: alicat1 on 10/18/2006 1:24:50 PM*** Reason: ad
I also use a hot wire fence on my 4 Dobermans and it works well. I wouldn't have faith in the invisable fence, it zaps them only as they cross it and once they've broken free, the zap stops. The hot wire, and i use 14 gauge, gives them a good jolt and keeps on as long as they are touching it, so if they try to slide under it, as soon as they get zapped on the head and front of the shoulders, they back up, it hurts too much to keep going forward.
It doesn't take more than once or twice and then they respect it, if it is 'on' or not. I really only keep it on in the spring as a reminder, and for the young dogs to learn, then I keep it off until they start messing with the field fence again, then.... it gets hot again.
I have been raised with hot fence. I have touched it so many times. It does hurt, but not in an injuring way. The worst zap was when I was little and I was running full speed and I forgot about the fence. Ran right in to it acrossed my stomach. The fence caught me, and it took a minute to stop my forward motion and go backwards. It was zapping me the entire time :)
***Edited By: alicat1 on 10/18/2006 3:23:35 PM*** Reason: ad
Thanks for the advice everyone. My dogs are 5 months old so i am trying to look for fencing solutions as they get older. Some sort of electric fence seems to be more cost efficient, but i do not want something that will hurt my dogs, just something that will give them the freedom to run around my yard and also keep them from running into the street. My worry is that their pain threshold combined with the desire to chase small animals is not the best combination for electric fencing
I think we need to know whether the OP is talking about invisible [electronic] fencing or electric fencing. Some posters are assuming one, while other posters are assuming the other.
bsmith, which are you interested in hearing about? Invisible fencing, which can be either wired or wireless and the dog wears a collar that will deliver sound warnings/shock corrections if the dog approaches/crosses the boundaries, or electric fencing, where the dog (or any living thing for that matter) would get shocked by brushing up against it?
I know in Ohio, Invisible fence will not install a fence for a APBT.
Not because they cannot be contained...they can. (my Lilo has an extraordinary pain threshold and is ramped up higher than Stitch, and if you wanna leave the yard on a walk, you have to drag them across the line or pick them up, so they really respect the boundaries.)
They dont set them up, as people who SEE a APBT in a yard, without a boundary freak out.
Which sucks. Dobies, rotties and sheperds have that intimidating look as well....and they are fine.
If the OP is asking about invisable fencing, I wouldn't recommend it. Many bullbreeds have an incredible pain tolerance and are highly prey driven..if they see something they just have to have, they will bulldoze right through that shock to get to it. I have seen and heard of it many times.
Also, even if your dogs respect the invisible boundaries, it does not prevent other dogs, critters, people from coming into your yard. If your dogs ever did show any dog or animal aggression, other animals coming into your yard would be a bad idea.
If the OP wants to do an electric fence, that would be a bit better...I would suggest a regular wire or wood fencing with a strand of hot wire at the top and the bottom (prevent climbing or digging)
Personally, with the bullies, I prefer and recommend a good sturdy fence..either privacy wood type (5-6' minimum) or heavy duty chain link or welded wire.
I have seen this many many times. with regular fencing. It does not stop people from accidently leaving the gate open ,the dogs get out and get hit by cars and killed. As a matter of fact this just happened to a beautiful blue male Pit owned by one of the local farmers last year. He was hit and killed. His body was on the highway.The gate was left open and got out and was hit. It's happened more then once ,the last time he was killed.For saying it doesn't keep other animals out ,well if a stray dog comes in ,it's not my fault.My dogs are never out with out me home.I have no tresspassing signs posted.
Also to Bully mom ,I agree with what Trauma mom said. My dogs and actually i've had 3 Pits trained to the e-fence .Not one has ever tested the boundries and flew through the boundry line to get something on the other side. One of females has extreme prey drive and da. She wont cross that line for anything.Only when the dogs where first being trained did they get out and it was only once.Don't say all bully breed dogs are like that.
I am in the country, so I know that there are 'cosmetic reasons' for the invisible fencing, but the 'real' electric fencing stops horses and cattle. I seriously doubt any thing would get past it with any type of fencing on the other side. They seriously know they are in.
I realize though that many in-town, or suburbs aren't really going to go for it. Maybe privacy fence is the way to go and if they start messing with it, you can keep them off the privacy fence with wire electric too.
To Traumamomma and rednosered... if you re-read my post, I never said ALL bullbreeds would run through an invisable fence, I said many. Can some bullies respect the invisable fencing..sure, but as a precaution, I just don't recommend them.
I have seen and heard of countless bullies who tolerate the shock. I have been around pitties, american bulldogs, engish bulldogs, olde english bulldogges, bull terriers, staffy bulls, neo mastiffs, roties, cane corso, etc., etc.. I do bull and molosser rescue. I studied about the invisable fencing and out of the the hundred or so people I talked to who used it with thier bullies, 95% of them all told me thier dogs would go right through it at the sight of something better on the other side of the fence. I even witnessed a friends pitties and english bulls run right through to chase a jackrabbit.
To assume that I am giving bullies a bad name by stating what I have is silly. I fight and continue to fight BSL. I am just very PRO responsibility with the bullies....anything that can prevent our bullies from being discriminated against. Keep your dogs secure at all times, obedience train them, socialize them (NOT at the dog park), love them.
Anyway..my post wasn't meant to start a war. I was offering advice that I have collected over the years. The OP can choose to use it or ignore it as can anyone who is reading.