My brother and his wife have a rotti on breeder's terms. One litter turned over to the breeder and she's theirs to keep. Well they have the litter now. They are 6 weeks old. At 5 weeks the litter was vaccinated by the breeder I think with Neo-par and nasal for kennel cough. Several in the litter had diarrhea for 1 day and 2 vomited a few times and then everybody was fine. Yesterday morning they were all vaccinated again and now the whole litter has diarrhea and are vomiting. I could hear one in the background on the phone and it sounds terrible. It sounds like really bad dry heaves. They vomit within 1 or 2 minutes of eating and/or drinking. My sister-in-law said they look weak now, I am sure from dehydration, which is deadly for pups that young. They called the breeder and she is hopeless. "Maybe it's worms, maybe it's coccidia, maybe mom's milk is bad, maybe blah blah blah". They have all been wormer regularly. There is apparently some kind of link to them having been vaccinated. I think they need to go into the emergency clinic but I doubt the breeder is willing to foot that bill. Anyboby, any been thru something similar? Any vet clinic workers here seen this? Any breeder's comment? Thanks all.
they need to be seen by a vet, and now. they can sort out the bill later. doesnt matter who is responsible for it. the welfare of those pups is all that matters right now. puppies can dehydrate and fade fast.
I really don't know what the vaccinations would have to do with diarreah. If they don't want a huge vet bill on the weekend, see if they can find any vet to just run a stoole sample. I highly suspect coccidia or gardia.
NOT that I am telling you to do this, but what I would do is give them a little pepto bismo to help settle there stomach (if I went to the vet or not). 1/4-1/2cc (based on weight) a couple times a day should not harm most 5-6 week old large breed puppies.
Why are these puppies getting vaccinated at 5 weeks and then again a week later?!?! Do a search on vaccinosis. Puppies can get very sick or die from too many shots to young. You could take them to the vet to see if they can help, but the damage has already been done. They have overloaded a young developing immune system. My dogs get one parvo shot at 12 weeks and one distemper at 14 weeks, then the only other shots they get for the rest of their lives is the rabies that are required by law. Here's a few links on the dangers of vaccines.
The puppies should have gone right back to be checked by the vet and sort the bill out later. Would be a shame for puppies to die while everyone is deciding who should foot the bill. It doesnt help that they were vaccinated again in a week...why? The first shot is good for a month, you arent suppose to re-vaccinate after only a week anyway.
I used to vaccinate my animals myself until one time my cats got sick, vomiting and diarrhea. It only lasted a day or so and my cats were all adults. I attributed it to a bad batch of vaccine like maybe it was housed at the wrong temp? Anyway, pups to the vet immediately. Could also be parvo....
Did the pups go to the breeder for the shots, or did the breeder come to the pups? If the pups traveled to the breeder then they could have been exposed to something there, or the breeder could have brought something from her home. I would take them to the vet immediatly.
Pups went to the vet er. Pups are home and being given pepto and cough medicine. Apparently the vomiting was really the pups coughing and hacking to the point of gagging and causing them to throw up a little bit of food/water, which looked like vomiting to my brother and his wife. Supposedly from the kennel cough vaccine that was given a week earlier (live kennel cough vaccine can cause mild symptoms of the disease itself). Diarrhea - unkown cause. The pups are MUCH better today. I worried about them all night last night and they aren't even my babies!!
I have no idea how the breeder does their vaccination schedule. Since rotti's are more prone to parvo than other breeds they have some special vaccination protocol they follow. They own the litter so my brother has no say in that.
vaccinating 2x in 2 weeks is crazy, I dont' care what the breed of the dog is, especially since the pups should still have the mothers antibodies until they are 6+ weeks old.
To me it sounds like this breeder conned your brother into caring for this litter of puppies, she gets all the benefits and your brother gets all the heartache adn vet bills.
Regarding parvo in rotts, its probably the same protocol that's recommended for labs, which says they get an extra parvo vaccination at 6 months. But getting ANY vaccination 1 week from the previous dosage is just nuts and it's unsurprising that the pups are having negative effects.
I have heard of people doing this before for a dog, raiseing the dog and having one litter so they dont have to pay for the dog itself. It all most never works out as cheaper than just buying the dog, by the time you pay for stuff like this.
ruffian- Boy you're not kidding! In the beginning it all sounds good - free dog for 1 litter. But in the end it is NOT a good deal. The work itself involved with a large breed litter is never ending and extremely time consuming. They have both said that had they had foresight they would have just paid for her upfront, even though her cost was $1200. They never want to do this again, so she will be spayed.
The cost for raising ANY litter, if done right is expensive regardless of size. In toys you have whe,p issues, c-sections, etc. then all the usual costs and risks involved. I'm really surprised the breeder wouldnt have prepared them more for what they were in for!
I also, think it is absolutely CRAZY for someone to ask for a full litter back in exchange for one dog! The original dog you said was 1200, now they have a whole litter of pups to sell for 1200 each, and all the work was done by the females owners including all the costs....the breeder sure made out there! I'm surprised too, at the number of people who actually agree to this arrangement.
I have exchanged females for a pup or two in return later, but never a whole litter!