so on tuesday afternoon we went to purchase this kitten way out in timbuck10 from this woman who clearly had a screw loose or had lost her marbles something but the kitten was too cute so we bought him. we left the required deposit and went on our way but not before fully disclosing our interest in breeding him with our female himalayan. not for profit but for our family to have a kitten. not the point. apparently he couldn't leave because he had to be cleared by his vet. he had ringworm? i don't know what that is but he had been seen by a vet and was being treated for 5 days so it must not be that serious. ok so this was tuesday at about 6:00 pm. wednesday nothing, all is fine, thursday at about 4:00 pm i receive a message from this woman stating that she's sending me my deposit back, that she doesn't want to sell this male kitten for breeding because she wants her male to be the only bicolor stud in fl. WHATEVER. i could care less about that, i want my kitten. at this point for lack of a better term i am pissed. my kids already named him louie. is there anything i can do? my mean streak is getting the best of me and i am thinking about turning her in for having 17 cats. help. i want my kitten, the kitten that my children chose. i think i failed to mention that we have already fallen in love with him!
I don't mean for this to come out wrong, I just don't understand... An earlier post stated you had to get rid of your dog because "no pets allowed". So why are you wanting a kitten? Did I miss something?
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Breeder's have the right to change their mind and return a deposit. Responsible breeders do not sell their kittens with breeding rights unless they are going to show homes. I'm assuming you do not show your cats (If I'm wrong please let me know) but I think the breeder did the right thing in not selling a kitten to someone who said they intended to breed.
no you didn't miss anything .. the post was for the the friend who is staying with us but has found her own place..no pets allowed. perhaps we should have been more clear. i have 5 animals and all are well and good. she just used my account because she doesn't have one. thanks for your concern!!
i do not show my cat no but the point wasn't that she is a responsible breeder and that's why she changed her mind. if that was the case i would have been fine with her saying so. you know if she would have said .. i would prefer only to sell my kittens to show homes. that would have sat better with me. i wouldn't have gotten so mad either if she would have said so from the first phone call. she wants to keep him, MY kitten because she doesn't want me to breed him because she wants to be the only one with a bicolored male himalyan available for breeding. now that is not someone who loves the breed, that is someone trying to make money in my eyes. for me i just want her to have a litter of kittens so i can give one to my mother in law, a friend, and my neice and nephew and the spay her. i have a breeders licence so i know the ins and outs and i am not in it for the money .. unlike some. i just would never do something like that. i never accept a deposit without being absolutely sure about the new family. i guess you're right though. she has the right to change her mind. thanks
She probably doesn't have a screw loose and realized that you were going to breed for no reason and she didn't want her lines used for unscrupulous breeding. Clearly you have a lot to learn about breeders. She's protecting her line.
She has every right to refuse to sell you a kitten. She is also protecting you b/c she kept the kitten and treated it for ringworm.....she could have sent the kitten home with ringworm...
Consider it a lesson learned.
if it has tires or testicles, you're going to have trouble with it.......
You have a breeders license? For what? You say you're a breeder, but you don't even know what ringworm is?
Might I suggest you take your family to a local shelter to adopt a homeless cat/kitten? For example, I worked at a shelter that has 400+ cats-all different ages, colors, sizes, breeds...that would be a MUCH better gift than breeding a cat just for your own, selfish reasons.
let me address stdogz first. once again, something just isn't right with her. i felt something was off but the face of the kitten kept me there. pulling at my heart strings if you will. she was, a little off. anyhoo i don't think she was "protecting her line" like you say. perhaps you or i would but i don't think love of the breed is her first concern either. 17 cats .. did you read that part? i think she is being selfish in her demand to have the only breeding bicolored male in fl and i think she's in it for the money. last night i rethought fighting her for the kitten. also .. with like 7 breeding females and one male how can we be sure that they weren't inbred. i failed to mention that there were 5 litters of kittens there. she wasn't even sure which were the males and which were the females after she lifted their little tales. perhaps it is for the best.
cat lover don't attack me. so i don't know what ringworm is .. that makes me a bad breeder. i think that to me is a good thing. that should tell you something since we've never had it. and for many going to the local shelter to pick up their kitten is right for them but for me it isn't. for me a purebred himalyan is what's right for my family. i am not saying that there is anything wrong with shelter animals. i have adopted a few cats and 2 dogs from the shelter but what's right for my family now isn't that. and if you want to call me selfish because i want to breed my cat you go right on ahead.
i agree that her reasoning for not selling you the kitten was a little "off".
but my concern would be that knowing this woman has 17 breeding cats in her home, you question whether some may have been inbred, knwoing her reason for keeping the kitten is beyond a little shady, WHY would you want a kitten from this woman in the first place, and secondly WHY would you want to breed it ? if this woman is shady, would you really want to chance taking a kitten from her ? you already know it had a fungal infection , probably a real cruddy immune system to allow that fungal infection to produce, so not only may this particular kitten have the potential for future health problems, his offspring may also.
do you really want to give away, and keep 1 for yourself, a litter of unhealthy kittens, especially when you are giving them to friends and family ?
Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.
thank you scout for your very friendly reply and not for bashing me for being angry about my "ordeal". and i was just that .. angry. you are correct in everything that you said and i whole heartedly agree. i think i was more turned off by her buisness practices than her not allowing me to take home my kitten and that did make me angry, very angry. hind sight is 20/20 after all. when i had a moment to actually think about the quality of the kitten i was getting it sunk in .. there was no quality. he was infected with a fungal disease which meant he had a weakened immune system, she was off in her buisness practices so what else was off in her handling of the kitten, plus with so many animals how was i guaranteed he was taken care of his short little life in her care. i told her to keep the deposit and try to better the life of the new litters perhaps with some new bedding or vitamins or something. she didn't like that at all. i didn't mean it as a dis but she did need some new beds for them. anyhoo like i said i think it was more the fact that i loved this kitten because he was cute and exactly what i was hoping to find, my kids were ecpecting him to come home on monday and i drove a million miles for nothing .. that had my goat. i'm over it now and i just wish i could do something for the kittens who have to remain in her care. for all of those of you who are constantly bashing those who are not experienced breeders i will no longer judge. i now know why you all get so sngry. i was told by a friend that she was a reputable breeder with 2 show cats that she breeds. not that i agree with the fact that only show animals should be bred because i totally disagree with that but that's besides the point. thanks for your imput. keep up the great moderating!!!
Hello...I personally would not give the kitten back. She has 17 cats which is plenty. Hasn't anyone ever heard of a hoarder? If you feel so strongly in your gut that something was not right, then you are probably right. I wouldn't respond to her requests and see what she does. I bet nothing.
17 cats although a lot isn't completely abnormal for a lot of breeders. My Himalayan kitten just came from a wonderful show breeder with top lines and she had quite a few cats herself. Anyways, I did have a question - I have never heard of a bicolor Himalayan. Within the persian breed there are different color groups with bicolor being one as well as himalayan being one (as himalayan falls under the persian breed in the CFA and is only its on breed internationally). You can have a bicolor persian that is a colorpoint (or himalayan) carrier but I don't think there is such thing as a bicolor himalayan..only a bicolor persian.
Please let me clarify something Merico....I have 3 dogs and 4 cats and would have more if I had the time and space. If I were this gentleman I would be upset as well. Why would she give the cat to the family and then want it back? I have never had a breeder do that to me with my dogs or cats. I have nothing against anyone who has numerous pets as long as they are taken care of the way that they should. No, not everyone is a hoarder who has several pets......I did not mean it to sound that way at all.
i think you all misunderstood my rant, more likely i was unclear because i was angry and i was not making much sense, but it was a valid rant, so i am going to explain again. trust me .. this is good. first of all she was off like i had originally said. maybe there wasn't a screw loose but .. haha come to find out that she sips the sauce pretty much all of the time. she was definately drunk that night too. haha after the fact, i find that she was quite hillarious. never again will i let my judgement be clouded but that night it was. i'm human after all. so it all started when i was sent to this woman by a "friend" because i had been on a forever long search for the perfect himalayan playmate for my fabulous female. i was unable to find any breeders in my area and we had been searching for months. i thought about contacting the breeder of my female but then there would have been inbreeding and i am not about that at all. to each his own. i know there are many of you who do not agree with the fact that i wanted to breed my female but that is my buisness and we will not get into that again. the intention was made clear to her from the very first conversation however that i was looking for a mate for my female and i had intended on breeding her when she was of age. this woman has 2 grand champion females and is a breeder of potential champion himalayan kittens so i assumed(i know .. never assume) she was reputable. she had 5 litters of kittens not to mention the 17 adult cats but the home was not at all in disaray. actually i was shocked at how clean it was although very cluttered, very clean. in any event all of the cats seemed healthy and clean. they all seemed happy with her too so i wasn't at all turned off. my only concern was that she had 17 cats and so many litters of kittens but not enough to make me turn and walk away. and it did not smell. i was blinded in a sense, to the fact that it screamed kitty mill because there were kittens every where, no cages and well kept in a sense .. i didn't know that they had ringworm until well into the visit and that it was in fact something serious. all of the kittens had it. *shivers so after leaving the deposit for the kitten all was ok like i said until she called and said that we were unable to buy him. after the comment from scout i took it as a blessing in desquise until .. dah dah duhhh she called me the next evening .. i suppose after her alchol induced mind change wore off to inform me that i would lose my deposit if i didn't take him whatever was my first reaction, and i had in fact signed a contract. grrr. but then i felt bad..she was trying to be nice. damn my sense of decensy. so heres where the saga continues. i was told by the seller that he was cleared by her vet so he was ok to be sent home. we went and picked him up, the next day, our ringworm infested mess that we called louie. and he was a mess. i immidiately took him to my vet so he could have a check up and so that my vet could be familiar with him. also to see what more could be done for him to make him comfortable. haa .. immediately upon seeing him my vet winced .. she did the check up, some tests and a skin scrape and after spending 300 and some odd dollars for the test, the check up, some creams and the like i found out that my ringworm infested, scabies carrying, parisitic little bundle was unfit for sale and he was to be returned immidiately due to florida law. i called her vet, pissssed off, to see who signed off on the health certificate and i come to find out that it was forged. now tell me that she is protecting her lines. poppy cock!!! i was informed by her vet that charges would be filed against her and here i am .. no longer involved. so there it is folks .. the whole story. to answer your question m13lucky, i don't know what a bicolor himalayan is and i don't think she does either. if it does exsist i doubt she has it. her male was like a tortie point male so i haven't the slightest clue. she has no intention of selling her kittens with breeding rights and that is fine .. absolutely fine she should never be allowed to breed again!!!
and to address your question mericox19 i purchased the breeders license to show that i wasn't just a back yard breeder who was in it for a quick buck. that i was a responsible breeder who was following the guidelines outlined in a breeding program. also tp protect myself .. and my potential buyers. sometimes stuff comes up that can bite you in the ass 2 years down the line. there are many unscroupulous breeders out there but i am not one of them. i do as much research as i can to ensure healthy happy pups. i have a very close relationship with my vet and i am very particular about my potential new owners .. if that makes me sketchy .. haha i take that as a compliment so thanks!!!!!
Did you get your deposit back since you returned the kitten and she forged the health certificate and all? My first Himalayan came to me with ringworm as well and has been a carrier of it ever since. She also has chronic allergies and will periodically break out in ringworm. Trust me, you don't want to have to deal with that..so you're lucky to not have that problem on your hands. My new kitty just came from a wonderful show breeder.