All I was asking is if there was anything wrong with the dog?
Is there a medical reason you are wanting to return the dog?

You're welcome Dolphin. Now take our advice, love your baby and let the matter go. You had a hard learning experience but you have a puppy to love. Make sure you spay her, this is incredibly important. Discuss this with your vet please. Good Luck.

If the parents have AKC papers, then the puppy can get AKC papers. She just needs to send in the litter registration application. If I do not for some reason have the individual puppy registration at the time a puppy is picked up. I always show the buyer the parents registration papers, or if I have mailed them in, I have a photo copy of the litter registration form to provide, if it is done online, I have a receipt printed out from the AKC that it is in the processing stage. Most people never ask to see this stuff. But I ALWAYS provide it.
Also when a buyer takes the vaccination record for there new pup, there is a photo of the pup attached to the back cover.

http://www.akc.org/pdfs/rulebooks/RREGS2.pdf

E. SIGNING FOR A MINOR
If a dog or litter is to be registered in the name of a
minor, the space provided for signature of owner
should be signed as follows:
Name of child (Minor)
Per: personal signature of parent or guardian
(relationship)
This procedure must be followed every time the signature
of the minor is required on an application form.
NOTE: Be certain to indicate your relationship to
the minor next to your personal signature to
avoid rejection on the application form.

It is my understanding that a parent also needed to sign any contracts enter into by this child to make it legal. Please correct me if I am wrong.

I just want to tell all of you, You especially Savanah that this is one of the most informative threads I have read in a long long time.

Even though I have no intention of purchasing another dog at this time, I really appreciate the information on breeders, etc. If I ever purchase from a breeder I will know what to look for, and what to avoid. This is a great thread. Thanks again.

Serene, you are correct!!! That is what makes it legal and binding!! Once again, any contract of any kind must be signed by a person of legal age. Not sure what the other stuff you were posting is in reference too. I'm just speaking of contracts, nothing to do with the AKC.

Normap, thanks, others left really good info too i think.

Since the pup is AKC I was posting what the AKC rule book states in regards to a minor. She needs to make sure that when she gets the Registration papers that the parent also signs it.

gotcha!!

ok I want to thank everyone know that everyone knows I was not getting to the question savannah has answered it for me the contract is no good.Now I can love the dog and let it go.also have to thanks windy for all her pm help she gave me.thanks everyone

dolphinelove, I'm just curious about what your vet had to say about this dog. Have you taken her to see the vet yet?

BlueDixie, I have a question about a statement you made,
'I'd venture to say that in a lot of cases the animosity expressed is'nt about responsibility, it's about competition and pricing'. Since I am a responsible breeder, I'd like an explanation from you about how you came to this conclusion.

Pen- present company excluded. Tell me if you don't think any of these statements are fair.

Regardless of what you are selling, if your competition doesn't incur the same expenses you incur then they are free to sell at a lower price.

If the lower price product invades the market place it jeopardizes the legitimate dealer's chance of getting a fair price for their product.

I've read several posts where the claim is made that a "reputable" breeder doesn't make any money off the sell of their animals but I'm more inclined to believe that's the exception rather than the rule.

If it is the case then I suspect it's due to poor business skills rather than unavoidable expenses.

If all breeders were truly as concerned about various aspects of breeding as they say then they would do more to ensure it doesn't happen.

LOL my turn to be confused

Blue.. very last sentence of your post... be more inclined to ensure WHAT does not happen???. Sorry got lost.

I'm bored and home all day today can ya tell LOL

currently me too...lol.

irresponsible breeding practices.

I just got it.

It's not just breeders ensuring irresponsible breeding does not happen. It's the way we think in general. WE as a society are simply irresponsible, we want instant gratification on everything including throwing dogs together and getting puppies and then not being responsible for "agressive" behavior, genetic problems, whatever it is. WE need to be more responsible as a country. It would spread into every industry and every walk of life. Yeah, I know, reality check, not going to happen.

I was answering Pen's direct question concerning a statement I had made about suspecting all the protesting about BYB actually being a money issue rather than a practices issue.

its BOTH. that is why they are BYB!!!

BlueDixie,In reference to your first point'Regardless of what you're selling, if your competition does'nt incur the same expenses you incur then they are free to sell at a lower price. You're right, it's a free country- if someone wants to keep 140 dogs in wire cages with no exercise,no heat in the winter no air conditioning in the summer,lousy food, filthy water,no veterinary care, dead dogs laying around, bitches bred cycle after cycle with no breaks, and then killed (if they don't die first) when they're no longer useful, no regard for genetic problems and no adherence to breed standards, then they're free to sell their 'product'as you refer to dogs, at a lower price.
Fortunately, most responsible dog breeders do not treat their dogs as a commodity, like bluejeans, tomatoes or refridgerators. We're talking about living and breathing animals here, many of whom are treated as precious members of the breeder's family- I include myself in this category.
I spend as much money as it takes for veterinary care, and spare no expense. I buy the best food ingredients I can find, and I'm now making my own dog-food, although I am investigating a new brand.I take my dogs for daily runs, once in the early morning, and once late in the evening, they also have access by doggie door to the whole yard. At night I have anywhere from 2 to 7 dogs sleeping with me.
I run my life around my dogs. If there's an occasion out of the area that I would like to go to, but one of my children is unavailable to look after the dogs, I don't go.
I spend countless hours grooming, toenail clipping, inspecting for woodticks or ear 'nasties', bathing and playing with my dogs. If I watch t.v.(rarely) I have at least 4 dogs perched at awkward angles on my knees.
When I have a pregnant bitch, I make every effort to ensure her health and her puppies' health is tip top. I do not breed that dog in the first place unless she meets all health, temperment and conformation standards, and then I spend hours deciding which male will compliment her characteristics.I help my dogs whelp, and watch them like a hawk, making sure everyone is eating, weighing each pup, and comparing notes to check for growth. When each puppy is sold, the prospective buyers have already filled out an application form that has to meet my requirements, or I
don't sell them a puppy. I could go on, but I'm sure that by now you've got the drift that my dogs are not 'products'
therefore your reasoning is not valid to me. I forgot to mention that I do not consider BYB's or puppy mills 'competition', in any way shape or form.

Pen- in no way shape or form was I questioning your practices.

You can attach a negative connotation to the word product if you like. I was merely using a proper english term. Our children are the products of our love and influence. In that sentence I believe you can agree that there isn't any negative connotation.Please don't condeem me for using that word to describe a precious little puppy.

Isn't it safe to say that common business practices can and do apply to the breeding profession? If you are the professional you say you are don't you list your animals as assetts or deductions or expenses... however your year has gone on your taxes?

As we can see by your obvious emotional post you care alot about what you do. What you describe in your post isn't my definition of someone who is merely breeding dogs recklessly in their own backyard. I clearly get the impression you are describing a puppy mill situation are you not? Are you attempting to equate the term BYB with what you just described?

And I applaud your obvious understanding that quality is threatened little by quantity but the fact is it's hard to consistantly sell your pups for top dollar when Joe down the street is raising them in his backyard and selling for half the price.

But it's like I've said and will continue to say. A BYB generalization is unfair. A puppy mill is a puppy mill but Joe might just be practicing responsible breeding. He might not be investing in all the "value added selling" you do.

Blue, Id like to comment on 2 statements you just made. I You said, "isnt it hard to sell your puppy for top dollar if joe down the street is raising them in his back yard and selling them cheap".. (typing from memory if i didnt get that quote 100%)

NO, I do not find it difficult in the least. My pups are very expensive, top of the line and I swear to God there is so sadly back yard people all over. I NEVER have a problem and have a wait that right now is into next Spring. I know many other great breeders all over the country working with numerous breeds and I assure you, they do not have issues placing their pups either.

Also: "A BYB generalization is unfair. A puppy mill is a puppy mill but Joe might just be practicing responsible breeding" (this I pasted)

Above, your definition of a BYB is not correct at all. A BYB DOES NOT practise responsible breeding. It's plain and simple and does not get any easier then that. BYB by definition is irresponsible.

what you consider to be a responsible BYB is called a small hobbyist breeder who perhaps has a litter or 2 a year or whatever. They do not necessarily have to be show, it's just responsible breeding for pet or show or both.

A BYB and small hobbyiest are totally different. Price of dogs has nothing to do with this, it's breeding practises only.