Sorry...didnt read the entire thread. Been out of town and a sick baby here, so havent been on the forum for a few days. If other questions were brought up besides the initial one, I will read it all later...duiring a naptime maybe, lol.
Yes, we do rescue...for our breeds as well as other breeds. Not to mention other types of animals: birds, cats, even guinea pigs before. Of course we do it as our time/space allows. Wouldnt be fair to 'rescue' them only to not have time to work with them and give them what they deserve.
People are like slinky's, not really good for much. But its still fun to push them down the stairs.
I will also answer, while I do not consider my self a breeder, Ruffian was bred 2 times, 5 pups in total, all sold as pets and altered. The youngest is now almost 9 years old(WOW). I will likely breed my next dog as well, but not until she has her CH. and obidiance and health clearences as well. Also I will never, if I can help it, own another male dog in my life. But I have also rescued. I housed and re-homed the only Shiba I have ever found that was in need, and will do it again should the need arise. I have tried to help my parents adopt a Shiba as well, but most places will not do international adoptions. I donate food and time to the local SPCA which is no kill, to the best of their abilities. I will foster at some point as well, the Shibas are way to combative to allow me to do it right now, but I hope that I can train my next dog to accept other dogs in her territory.
you knew what this thread was about, you choose to very methodically and intentionally turn things and write things to stir the pot, just as you knew what I meant with respect to being a BREEDER.. nothing to do with amateur vs professional. Yet, for whatever reason, you find satisfaction in the way you respond and egging everyone here on. Oh well, again, just very sad.
When Wiley first asked the question I attempted to give a low profile answer by responding that there are other things someone can do . Before you crucify me take the time to go back and verify that.
Apparently that wasn't enough to satisfy because then Wiley specifically reasked me her question stating that I hadn't given an answer to which I replied ,"no... I don't rescue."
Apparently that wasn't enough to satify because then I tried to further explain my first post by first answering that "yes I can" which I thought was an agreement and also re-emphasize my first posting.
Apparently that wasn't enough. I'm not sure what you want Savannah but I'm starting to believe it can't be delivered.
It takes less talent to indentify a problem than it does to solve it.
Wiley, this an open discussion forum. Nobody is obliged to answer your questions, and frankly why would they want to? Windy is no more required to justify her breeding to you or anyone else, nor her rescue efforts to be anylyzed as appropriate or not. When you started this thread, you had a good point, but then you proceeded to bash people's efforts, and the people who really need bashing will never respond, because they're not true breeders in the first place. They are the BYB's and puppy millers who you should be working against, not the responsible breeders on here.
Pen, I would like you to point out where I bashed! I was only asking questions. Yes they do not have to reply but if they do not why?? I asked them to step up and with all the breeders on here I get a good handful that replied.
Thanks Husky I'm glad you told me this. I'm happy to hear that Windy does.
Yes I do rescue. I have been owned by yorkies for years and I rescue large breeds as those are the hard to place dogs in my area. My most recent rescue was a female Husky that was shot in the head,and left in a corn field to die. It took a month to gain her trust and even get close to her. The humane society wanted to shoot her right there in the field but I told them I would not let that happen. She has been spayed and place in a home with two other dogs and is doing very well. I have rescued about fifty dogs and cats over the last twenty years.
I breed pit bulls. I do not have the capability or room to kennel or house the dogs. HOWEVER, we DO donate money, food, blankets, and toys to our local SPCA. If I had the room, I would take in any animal I found, but financially and other reasons stated above, that is almost impossible. We are in the process of looking into moving to the country in the near future. I want more land, more space, and then I can work on the "fostering" part of it.
Does that make me a bad breeder or person,,I don't think so.
My problem is with breeders that breed litters, even if its the very minimal, but are not members of their breed rescue, or don't at least donate things to shelters, etc etc. Why breed if you can't help other dogs?
You are doing what you can. But there are too many breeders that dont bother at all.
http://www.ashleyspets.com "A dog is not almost human, and I know of no greater insult to the canine race than to describe it as such.
On the other side of the coin here, I rescue. It is not my full time devotion. I have rescued a pit bull from a shelter when she was pregnant and kept her and pups until good homes could be found. I have took unwanted dogs in, strays off side of road and have bought from bad homes to give the dogs a better life. I have volunteered at shelters and donated supplies. Recently I have taken on a stray cat named tigger that I thought would never make it through the night and 3 mini schnauzers who were neglected. I would love to do more, but I have a life outside of my furry friends. Now do I condemn others for not sharing my passion. No. Not at all. I can not go volunteer at a hospital, should I never go there. I can not volunteer at an orphanage, should I never have kids. I think a good solution to this problem is education. I really do. If we educate every new owner we come across, and they educate the ones they come across, well, it just keeps going on. Am I saddened by the state of the animal shelters? Of course. But as an animal lover can you say don't anyone breed? No of course not. Microchipping is an excellent way for breeders to be responsible with their pups. Absolutely. But there are religious objections that I will not discount for some folks(me being one of them) to not want to do it. There are solutions to the overcrowding of shelters. The biggest problem is PEOPLE won't use them. It is unfair to say that breeders who don't rescue are irresponsible. You really do have to have a heart for it. And if they have small children, you have the safety of people to worry about. There are situations in each others lives that we know nothing about. I guess it all boils down to something I get yelled at all the time on here for. I believe that each person gets to decide what is right for themselves. The only step left in licensing breeders is BSL. What happens when they start denying licenses to people based on what type of dog they breed?
Everyone has a photographic memory.... Some just don't have any film.
It is unfair to say that breeders who don't rescue are irresponsible
Janders... I dont agree with the statement above, sorry :-(
I think first we need to ensure we are speaking about BREEDERS,,, not people who just throw dogs together... Breeders who do this for the betterment of the breed, doing it correctly. If that's a given, then I do believe it is fair to say they are irresponsible if they are bringing more pups into the world, yet not doing anything for even their own breed. This does not mean they have to house dogs etc.... I do not have that ability. But to donate food, take a few bucks out of each puppy as it was suggested, donate blankets and other things we find in our homes... yes, in my opinion it is irresponsible if you are a breeder and not even doing something for your own breed
ps.. figure you would laugh if you saw this from me LOL (joking with Janders only with this statement folks)
LOL;) to Savannah. But the question is RESCUE. Donating items to charity or money to charity, is not the same as housing an animal. Or was I taking the word rescue too literally? Or Wiley, is donating items considered part of your definition of rescue? Because there is not a soul who could not donate old blankets, towels, or a $1 can of dog food to a shelter. And most shelters would like to have shampoo, soaps, paper towels and cleansers to help with too. And those items need not be expensive.
Everyone has a photographic memory.... Some just don't have any film.
Yes Janders it has been established that donating time, money or supplies, something to help stray dogs, weather it is breed specific, or a prefered shelter is something. I understand that not everyone can or wants stray dogs in their house. I am not sure I do, expecially large dogs, I have an 8 year old boy and 2 senior dogs to worry about, but I do donate stuff and time to the local SPCA.