Sighing right back at you there Sparky. If training Fluffy to walk well on lead is not what you're talking about, what are you saying?
Instant gratification covers a wide range of issues with pet owners as in every other aspect of life. The individuals who come here, as a rule do care and are trying to find suggestions to assist them in the proper training of Fluffy.
If someone fails to get the concept that patience, persistence, training and praise are critical then no "thing" is going to resolve their pet ownership issues.
Are you advocating relying on an object (of any sort) as a sole and permanent resolution to the problem? If so, aren't you just reinforcing the whole instant gratification attitude? "Hey! problem solved! What idiot thinks I have to attempt to train this dog? I'll just rely on this pinch collar to do the trick".
***Edited By: pyrmom on 8/10/2009 9:30:25 PM*** Reason: *
"Some days you're the dog; some days you're the hydrant". author unknown
what happens when someone puts a pinch collar that is fitted properly on a dog is that when the dog pulls into the collar he self corrects himself. Thus, stops the pulling. A head collar prevents the dog from pulling as hard as he would in a flat and/or choke collar, but never corrects the dog for pulling. Being that I of course used the head collar to see how it worked, I personally found that it was less effective than the pinch collar. I also discovered that when it was placed on a more head strong dog that it caused bacterial growth underneath the maxilla strap and rubbed the hair off. If the pinch collar is used incorrectly then there is a slight chance to cause trachea damage and the points have a possibility to puncture the skin. The pinch collar left on like a flat collar can cause bacterial growth underneath the points. Skin naturally has bacteria on it.
No respectable dog trainer will give actual training advise to a dog owner whom the trainer has never met their pet. Why in the world would I ever give training advise to a dog I never met? Dogs are like people in that they all have different personalities and different challenges. Training is never cookie cutter where it applies to all dogs. You must evaluate each dog in person to understand what that dog needs done. Until I see a dog in person, I will not offer training advise. I will only define how certain training tools can work or wont work. Which is exactly what I have done.
You are not a dog trainer. A pinch collar used in the correct hands is very useful and effective for high drive dogs. I would never recommend a choke collar to a novice as that training tool has a very high rate of causing trachea damage over the pinch collar. You really have to try to abuse the pinch collar to cause the same damage. I wont use a head collar as when I would need to correct my dog I risk damaging is cervical vertebrae. Therefore, the pinch collar is the best choice for a high drive dog or for someone that is a novice and just wants their dog to not pull them down the street.
You didnt start this thread with anything about high prey drive dogs, you were talking about dogs that pull, pretty big difference there, IMO. I have seen the people who listen to the advice you have given in this very thread, they are the ones whos dogs have tissue buildup in spots around their necks from wearing a prong 24/7. I have seen people tie their dogs up in the back of their trucks by their prong collars. They often have the dogs tags hanging from the prong as well, flip side to that I have NEVER seen anyone do any of this with a halti or head collar.
I do use prongs, and I have used head collars and FWIW washing a halti takes care of bacteria build-up .
No, it isn't. What is idiotic is that most people choose to buy a choke collar that don't have a clue how to use it. I use to work at a pet store. That was the normal dog customer! Not a clue how to communicate with their dog and not a clue how to use any type of training collar. If I had a choice of what an inexperienced dog owner would use between a head collar and a pinch collar I would choose the pinch collar every time. Only because when they choose to jerk on their dog they wont have an chance of jerking the poor dogs neck out of place! Also, you would also know that the average dog owner puts on a pinch collar like it is a necklace. The chance of them actually enjoying the good properties of the collar and hurting their dog is slim to none.
When I train dogs I choose collars based off the dogs needs. I go from basic flat collars, martingale collars to pinch collars. Pending on dog's requirements. I have had very enthusiastic Maltese dogs that need pinch collars to the very submissive King's Charles Spaniels that need a flat or martingale. Of course, these judgements were based off of seeing those dogs in person. Just because a dog is small doesn't mean they don't have high drive.
With everyone posting at the same time, I think someone's confused...
Ruffian, I wasn't talking about you being a vet tech and trainer, I was talking about VON...and I believe he thinks you are in agreement with him. I totally understand what YOU are saying but I don't agree with VON on this subject...
Friends will step in when the rest of the world steps out.
and those same people would put a head collar on their dog 24/7 to develop the same bacterial infection. No difference. Of course saving the poor dog from their cervical vertebrae from putting placed out of wack due to the same idiot using the head collar to correct their dog. My reasoning still stands as you can see.
As I said before I have yet to see a moron keep a head collar on a dog 24/7, and a dog walking around in a head collar is not in a whole lot of danger. I also fail to see how a nylon head collar would build up anymore bacteria than a nylon collar, like the ones most dogs do wear 24/7.
I stand by the belief that you are a moron and know little to nothing about training a dog.