"My belief is you cannot take the aggresiveness out of a Pit Bull any more than you take the retrieve out of a Lab!"
I would also point out that there are lots of Labs that don't retrieve. I just see the owner fetching fresbies themselves up and down the dog park.
I know at least 6 of my friends that owns pitties currently, none of them EVER attacked anyone. My doberman gets attacked by my little cousin's golden retriever everytime I see him. He is young and he never bothered to socially his dog and now he has a fat crazy dog that can't be taken out anywhere.
I have been bitten by labs on 3 seperate occations (none of them mine) when I was young and I don't see pictures of my stitches on the local paper. People just told me that accidents happen.
I also knew these 2 JRT that were so aggressive towards people in their house that the owner has to lock them up in the laundry room everytime anyone comes by.
There are no aggressive genes, if choicen carefully and trained properly, any breed can make good pets if the owner is up to doing all the work.
"If you are going to own an APBT you should understand the breeds history and what makes that a pit. You should understand the potential dangers of owning the breed and be prepared to handle and prevent any problems. "
I couldn't agree more, either. I know people with arguments like Foos and I are frusterating on here, but to the responsible, educated pit bull owner, we're not the bad guys. Fellow pit bull owners that have no idea what they got into when they bought such a powerful, driven dog and never socialized/neutered/trained it are.
I think what most people don't realize is that Genetics plays the largest role in how a dog react's! They cannot help themselves BECAUSE THEY ARE A DOG! And we all know that every Gangsta, and wanna be wants to own one! so your stuck with bad owners and bad breeding.
"Please don't post some study done by the Pit Bull lovers of America to support the breed! Where is the real evidence that this breed isn't dangerous?"
Im not going to post any studies. Im just going to speak from experience. I own a APBT. She is a big baby. I love her to death. She has never been agressive towards anyone. If she started to show sign of agression she would be put down. As much as it would break my heart it would be irresponsible of me to keep an unstable dog around.
Any dog can be dangerous when placed in the wrong hands. Sometimes even if the owner does everything right there is just something wrong with the dog.
The only thing wrong with those websites is that is says "pit bull type dogs" That is classifying a whole bunch of dogs under one name. Thats not fair. How many people can truely identify what breed of dog they have been bitten by. How many of those dog bites were by mixed breed dogs?
Pope Thanks for the reminder.... Oh, and your video link totally move me to tears! I have 3 Rescue Pits and love runs deep for me.... I wish everyone could see and understand.... how good they are Even after terrible abuse…. they still show love and sweetness. Thank You again for the reminder. http://www.pitbullproblem.tk/
Defiantly not just that breed ….many other breeds bite and show aggression. I have 3 rescue dogs ( 1 Boxer-Shep mix female and 2 American Staffordshire Terriers male & female) … … to this day ( 6 yrs later) you would never know they did not come from the same litter. Yes, I know the stories about two pit bulls can’t be together or even with another dog with out supervision… I have never had any problems. I am the pack leader and they follow my lead…Again, Owners responsibility for the behavior of the dogs they care for....and Owners are responsible for where the dogs they care for are at all times. Mine are collared , micro chipped, registered/ licensed and introduced to my neighborhood. They all eat out the same food bowl… never are crated and get along beautifully. My next door neighbors have 3 dogs as well (Rottie, Pit bull , and a smaller dog) we share our fence … and do not have any aggression problems. So I can say with firm assurance not just a breed , the Owners are responsible.
***Edited By: IVYdragonN on 11/4/2005 7:52:18 PM*** Reason: .
OMG, Ivory Dragon, I can't believe you are giving this bad advice. Animal aggression in the APBT is breed specific. It's there,but has to be controlled. Some dogs are more aggressive then others.I've owned 5 APBT,one is off the hoof aggressive,3 have been mildly aggressive, and one medium. All have had the aggressive tedencies.With your way of thinking ,this is why thiungs happen with this breed.
I would assume that 'pit bull type' refers to APBT & Staffies, which are very similar breeds.
In my opinion, law enforcement needs to take SEVERE action against irresponsible owners in general. Don't hopelessly attempt to ban private ownership of any particular type. However, they could begin by identifying ANY dog that could REASONABLY be considered 'potentially dangerous', due either to genetic tendencies as a guard/fighting breed, individual history, or even just their physical attributes. Some dogs are OBVIOUSLY capable of inflicting greater harm, and that includes many, many dogs other than just pit bulls.
Now, don't freak out, it would remain 100% legal to possess these dogs, just as it is now. However, it would be legally mandated that all current and prospective owners be informed of the responsibility & potential risks associated with owning these animals. No more 'how was I to know?', no more 'but my dog is great with kids', NO MORE PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY. If you screw up, and I don't mean just nipping or snapping at someone, but if your dog mauls someone's child or slaughters your neighbor's dog, you are absolutely liable and are going STRAIGHT TO PRISON. Or getting fined thousands and thousands of dollars, depending on the level of damage.
Don't punish all owners - that's unjust and ineffective. Just send a very serious wake-up call to those who carelessly endanger lives and impose upon the rights of others. I've seen way too many pet owners walk away with a slap on the wrist. That horrible ***** in San Francisco should have gotten 15 years, MINIMUM.
***Edited By: AngeGauche on 7/4/2005 10:10:12 AM*** Reason: .
Rednosered… OMG..??? huh? Did you even read past the 1st line?? As I stated “Owners” Are Completely Responsible for the dogs they care for. Other breeds do bite and show aggression ..FACT. I take great offense to your tone. Btw: Ivy dragonn… not ivory…
It is an irrelevant point that pit bulls are only bred to be aggressive towards other dogs. It is irrelevant, for example, when one is walking their dogs on a leash and a pair of pit bulls run up from behind you and attack your dogs beneath your feet. My husband and I found that out last week when walking our two miniature poodles. You just CAN'T know what its like to be the victim of a pit-bull attack unless you have been one yourself. We were very lucky that my husband could fight off two pit bulls and help came running at just the right moment. We and one of our dogs had minor injuries (if you exclude the horror of the lingering emotional trauma); I am happy to say that those two pit bulls are now in doggie hell where they can fight and kill all they want.
Foosdog, perhaps you haven['t caught the fact that it is not ONLY the Pit owners who are upset by this law, it is anyone who owns a Mastiff or mastiff breed dog (um, that covers a GREAT many breeds we have today), the GSD, Rotti, etc...
It is the limitless power that creating this new law will provide for those who have a particular dislike for any breed, Pit or Chi!
The point I believe everyone has been tying to make here is that we should try enforcing the existing laws BEFORE enacting new ones and in doing so, hold the irresponsible owners to account. NOT entire breeds of dogs.
Im sorry that you and your dogs were attacked. Being attacked by any breed of dog is traumatizing. I watched my dog get torn up by two pits. It wasnt a pretty sight to see. My dog rolled over on his back and the two dogs just went at him. When i got out of the house the male pit took off and hid under a bush but the female kept attacking. It took me and the owner of the pits to pull her off of my dog. If i knew then what i know now my dog would have suffered less injuries because i would have know how to break the dogs up.
The same dog that was torn up recovered and went on to fight the same male pit 4 or 5 more times. The first fight started when the neighbors pits broke the chains they were on. Both my male and the neighbors werent fixed and the female was in heat. The female got along with my male and she went up to him. Bear, the male pit, came down and growled at my male, Naja. Naja growled back and the female pit, Puddles, jumped him because she was protecting bear. Because my dog was chained the owner of the pits were at fault. They paid for all the vet bills that came about from the fights.
*"I am happy to say that those two pit bulls are now in doggie hell where they can fight and kill all they want."*
Thats a pretty harsh statement dont you think? Im sorry you and your dogs were attacked. I really am. Fighting and killing isnt what the pitbull is all about. Yes they were bred for dog fighting. They are also loving loyal dogs that make great family pets if they have responsible owners. No responsible owner would let thier pits run loose. There is just to much of a risk of the dog getting in trouble. Same goes for most other dogs.
Its because of irresponsible people that let thier dogs run loose that accidents like that happen. If the dogs had been properly contained than there wouldnt have been a problem.
*"And how niave is it to think a Pit,Rott,Akita,Chow can or dare I say cares about the difference between another dog or child! You lovers forget these are still animals! regardless of how you feel about your dog, IT IS STILL A DOG!"*
Yes they are dogs and they have their faults. Just like people. I am not naive to think that my dogs know the difference between a child and another dog. My pit, pit mixes and my husky/chow, all get along great with children. Never once has any of my dogs shown agression towards a child. My husky/chow suffers from arthritis and he allows my 50lbs nephew to sit on him and bounce. Zi pokes him in the eyes pulls his hair, ears and tail. Pries open his mouth and jabs at his tounge and teeth. When my dog has had enough me gets up and moves.
If i see one of my dogs getting agitated around children or any kind of situation there are moved. Its common sense on my part. I know my dogs well enough and i know what thier breaking points are.
Dogs know the difference between people and other dogs just as well as you and i. Like i said before dogs and kids are built differnetly small differently and act differently.
*""If you are going to own an APBT you should understand the breeds history and what makes that a pit. You should understand the potential dangers of owning the breed and be prepared to handle and prevent any problems. ""*
I couldn't agree more, either. I know people with arguments like Foos and I are frusterating on here, but to the responsible, educated pit bull owner, we're not the bad guys. Fellow pit bull owners that have no idea what they got into when they bought such a powerful, driven dog and never socialized/neutered/trained it are."*
Most of the things i deal with everyday are fustrating. Even more so than peoples comments about my choice of breeds. I can understand where you are coming from. When i was a kid i used to hear all these stories about how vicious and evil pitbulls were. I know differntly know. I have first had experience with many pits and i own one of my own. I realize that you arent the bad guy. Its fustrating for me to know what great these dogs can be in the right hands and than have people making uneducated statements.
The biggest problems that pits have besides people who hate them are the people who love them but dont understand them. If you own a pitbull you need to understand the breed and any potential problems that can arise while owning them. Most people get them and have no idea what they are getting into and then problems and accidents happen.
I am just going to shake my head and bang it into the desk a million more times because there seems to be so many others out there that want to kill my dogs. I will repeat this once again, I am not, will not, and will never be for BSL. I do not agree with it. I do not think it is fair to judge a breed just because of it's breed specific identies. I also don't think it is fair to condemm all these breeds of dogs to a certain death by passing BSL just because there are people that are afraid of them. I happen to love all dogs, big ones little ones fat ones skinny ones, loving ones, and yes evern the mean bad ones. Actually those are the ones I happen to love the best because those are the ones that I know need to be loved even more because they obviously didn't before. I volunteer at the local shelter and so does my 2 young kids, ages 9 years and 5 years. Both of my kids have been around plenty of dogs in their lives yes even the ever so terrible, APBT and their mixes. You know what, my 5 year old daughter is terrified to death of a certain breed of dogs, wanns know what breed that might be? A Toy Poodle! She had been bitten by one that was supposed to be so child friendly and used to love poodles. Now she hates them and is scared to death that every little poodle will bite her. Same thing with my son only he is scared of Cocker Spaniels. Both of my kids will run up to any big dog, only after I have introduced them first, at the shelter and play with them all. I don't know why everyone has to pin point these poor dogs or generalize them into one group and mark them all the same. I believe there is not a bad dog, just bad owners that don't understand their dogs!
Anyone that can make it to the California State Capitol on August 15 should. There will be and anti-BSL gathering there starting at 7:00am.
I am sickend to think that my dog could be taken away from me and destroyed. For those of you that don't own an APBT imagine if it were your dog's breed that was deemed dangerous. Even if you've had your dog for yars and he/she had never done anything remotely close to the breed stereotype, would you just sit back and let them take your dog? I think not. All dog oweners should be against BSL. It's only a matter of time before your dog is next.
This is nothign more than an attempt to bail out insurance companies. Please do not let fear blind you from the truth.
Ma'am don't you know that "all dogs go to heaven"? I am sorry to hear about your "poodles". I hate to hear of any dog or person being harmed by ANY dog regardless of breed. I am the proud owner of 1 Rednose and 1 American pitbull. The RNPBT is 8 years old and does not have an aggressive bone in her body. The APBT is 8 weeks old and I will be taking him to obedience training. I have always had either a pitt or a rotty and none of my dogs have ever attacked anyone. I have been bit by dogs 3 times in my life. The first time I was about 11 years old and I was bit by my friends poodle. The second was a shepherd mix and the third was a large ?. All of them were pets of people I knew. In spite of this, I would never wish that all poodles, shepherds or any dogs go to hell. I will pray for your heart and hope that the lord will help you let go of your anger for ALL pittbulls.