Um, not to jump into the middle of things but did anyone else notice that quite a few of these dogs ARE AKC registered? Also, I notice that MOST of the puppies in Pet stores where I live are AKC registered. Only once in a while do I see another registry (Although it is usually APRI, if not AKC) I was just wondering if anyone had an answer for that.
Registry is not important to me, right now, because of what I am doing with my dogs. My new puppy is UABR registered. I have heard that they also support "industries" but to be honest with you, I really don't care as I am not using my puppy for anything involving a registry. I personally do not think AKC is any better tehn any other registry not the other way around. People need to remember to go with a PERSON(i.e. Breeder) and not just a registry. I actually think that UKC seems to have some of the least issues than anyone else. Just my opinion though and what do I know!
i do agree that finding a good breeder is important.....but i dont see how a breeder can be considered a good one if their money goes to a registry who does not hide the fact that they are in full support of puppymills, brokers and pet stores.
to give your money to a breeder who uses any of these registries, then to go around and say that buying from a pet store or a byb is wrong and people should not do that because they are supporting puppymills.......is being a hypocrite.
I agree its a horrible thing to see kennels where there are so many dogs that none get love and attention., There should be a limit on how many a person can keep. Altho I doubt that would even help to give the p/m dogs better care as these people really don't give a da.. One thought did come to mind, When people get themselfs into the mess of so many dogs and need to get out of it, What are they to do with a hundred dog? Shelters can't handle that many, Do rescues take on that many? Or God forebid would these poor baby be put to sleep. Auctions stink too.
Can someone post the link to the auction service that is saying that APRI is supporting them? I call APRI this morning and talked to them. They would like to know what the site is because they are not aware of this. They want to investagate. It seems that the problem here is the Auction service and not APRI.
scout1..........i will get back to you in a bit.......lol
Ok, I use both registries. As a breeder I see much more than the general public, so here's a little insight.
We had a breeders group meeting not long ago, with both commerical and private breeders. We had a field rep from AKC come and speak. Many of the breeders in this group have started using APRI for many reasons and the AKC is now losing money without them.
He honestly stood there and said that even though they DO NOT endorse large commercial breeders, they still want their business and want them to come back. That is the truth-plain and simple-Fact!
The difference is in the public relations between the registries. While I like the APRI, they are not quite as seasoned in the public relations as the AKC and telling the public what they want to hear. However, I think it would be nice that the general public know what goes on behind closed doors.
I called APRI back and gave them the site. They are going to start the investigation.
Ok now for scout1..............So what your saying is you would rather have people keep the truth from you? Like myshadow says the general public has no idea what goes on behind closed doors. I am not a hypocrite. I am just honest and tell it like it is. All I am saying is that AKC does permit PMs and auctions to go on. I never once said I support PM. Or auctions. Because in fact I do not, and have never bought a puppy from either. And I really do not think that you would ever have to loose sleep at night thinking about me getting any of your money. Because if you have not heard of me by word of mouth and are willing to go on a waiting list of a 1-2 years depending on what your looking for. One of my puppies will never be at the end of your lead. I have never had anyone unhappy with one of my puppies, I do think that is because I am honest with everyone. Now I have upset a couple of people because I would not sell a puppy to them. And I told them why. I think sometimes people just can not handle the truth. I produce quality not quantity.
Sorry about all my posts about the APRI. I just learned how to copy and post so there are many posts from me in what I sent to APRI and the reply I got back. Although my post was rude, I in no way expected a respone like I got from APRI. I am just spinning! I guess I will be staying one of THOSE " AKC breeders"! If APRI doesn't think 1 breeder selling 187 dogs at a auction is a mill, I give up. And yes, I do think they are manufacturing puppies when they own 187 dogs, plain and simple. If thats slander then so be it! ( and to tell me it's like using the " N word") I don't know if I will respond back to them, as I am totally speechless for the 1st time in my 46 yrs of life!!
I kind of agree with whoever said that it's the breeder who matters, not the registry. I have 2 of my Aussies APRI registered. They both had one parent who was AKC registered and one parent who was ASCA (Australian Shepherd Club of America) registered so the breeder I got them from chose to APRI register them instead of having to double register both parents and choose which registry was cheaper to register the litter. (APRI is cheaper to register and they do have nice pedigrees). I am in the process of getting all 3 of my Aussies NSDR (National Stock Dog Registry) registered just so that I have a registry that is a little more popular on them. NSDR will register Aussies not previously registered if you provide pictures with you application.
I used to be 100% AKC all the way, and with my Shelties they are all only AKC registered. When I started looking at Aussies, because they've only been an AKC breed since the early 90's, there are a couple of other acceptable registeries. AKC & ASCA will duel register with proof from the other registry, but a lot of breeders aren't keeping up with all their registries that they CAN use. One of my girls will be AKC, ASCA, NSDR, & APRI registered, just because I want to make sure I have the freedom to get another male down the road if I choose to - or I can stud her out to another male - with a different registry.
There are definitely things I don't like about APRI, but I think it's the breeder who really matters. Saying that they support Puppy Mills is not totally accurate. AKC has a number of Puppy Mills they register as well. I do agree AKC is a little more strict about maintaining their standards (they do inspect - which I don't believe APRI does - but I may be wrong). But every registry will have good and bad breeders. I think AKC involves a little more work to keep up. I just had to start DNA certifying my males and I just went through my first AKC inspection.
I can see where APRI is coming from - do I agree 100% with it - NO. BUT I don't like the PAWS legislation and AKC supports that, so I'm not thrilled with them right now either.
bottom line as i see it.........APRI knowingly endorses puppymills, and dog auctions. whether you yourself breed quality over quantity.........not the issue. you give money to an organization who endorses what true animal lovers fight so hard against everyday. if you indeed do tell people not to buy from pet stores or byb's, and then go and give your money to an organization that is promoting such behavior.......you are a hypocrite.
if my corner store hung a big sign out front and said "we are members of al qaida " would i shop there ? no.......do i support terrorism...no. shopping there and giving them my money would say otherwise.
donate money to PETA.....you endorse them. whether or not you believe in all of what they do. you cannot have it both ways.
you are turning a blind eye to something you dont like.... because of whatever reason you choose to come up with. ease, cheapness, pretty pedigrees, they are so nice on the phone, a real person answers, what have you. you endorse their practices when you give money to them. plain and simple.........and utterly revolting to say it kindly.
I think the real issue here is not knowling, but publically endorses commercial breeders. The AKC does as well, but doesn't come right out and say it-it is behind closed doors with the breeders. Yes, it is true 100%. If the AKC was so opposed to them, then why won't they change their rules to only accept breeders that meet more requirements?
I like the DNA requirement, and suspension but that is not the only reason that people are leaving the AKC for the APRI. There are many more reasons.
I know several show breeders and handlers that are headed to the UKC because of the support of the AKC's support for PAWS.
As for the auctions, I have been to one for curiousity when visiting a friend in that area. Both an APRI and AKC rep were on hand. I use and like both registries, but these are the facts.
I as sit here and read this I wonder why anyone reg. their dogs. APRI comes right and says they support auctions.....So ok they are bad. AKC does the same. They support mills and at least some auctions. They allow dogs that come from mills to be reg. We know most if not all dogs at pet stores come from mills and as someone already said They see mostly AKC puppies and sometimes APRI. So AKC is supporting this behavior but they are just not willing to admit it, IMO.
Here is another site I know you will all love....... and here is a quote from their disclaimer... http://www.kimtownsend.com/disclaimer.html (Sad pictures in this one) " In addition, you should be aware that AKC and USDA are often present at these auctions and as a buyer of a wholesaled dog, you are subject to the same rules and regulations that the puppy mills are."
AKC is not as innocent as some of you all think they are.....they just aren't announcing it to everyone, I don't know if that makes them better......or worse.
AKC says that they do not reccomend auctioning dogs or support it but they will only NOT register a dog if it was sold at auction under 8 weeks of age.
I'm not totally sure on this one, but I don't think the USDA will allow you to transport a puppy bought at an auction that is less than 8 weeks old or even transport a puppy that you did not breed less than 8 weeks old. So the AKC really isn't doing anything exceptional here, just following the laws really.
This site is great! It says how AKC does not condone auctions and commercial breeders. Yet it says that it somone elses job to stop it........lol If they do not want it why register a dog sold at an auction or why do they register dogs to a commercial breeder.
Just to let you know this is the last post I will put on this site. I am not sure but I think I know why some on here are backing AKC so much.
John 8:43-47 says, "Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God."
Rebel-I don't think that any registry is neccessarily bad. What I think everyone needs to understand is that unless you are actively involved in the registry, you may not fully understand what they stand for and what really goes on. It truly is hard for the everyday pet owner to really know about a registry. Like I said, it's all about public relations and what goes on behind the scenes. The only thing that you can really guarantee from a registry is lineage. Find out their acceptance policy and how a dog can be registered by them. Other than that, unless you have been involved in breeding and behind the scenes, you may never know the true intent as some are more forward with theirs than others.