Redneck Original Yall liss'n here. To all of yall who recon yall Know EVERYTHING 'bout Mix Dogs:
GET OVER IT PEOPLE! folks mix toy breeds all the time an' the outcomes year adorable. How pathetic year YOU ta be sittin on urine cumpuner blabin 'bout Mix Breeds, if it bothers yall so much, then do not submit yourself ta such topics.
evary one of yall have absolutely NO riat ta awful mouthem an' the breeders, I agree, $2000 is way too much fer a Mix or Purebred but some breeders sellem fer under $400. git over an' GET A LIFE. Enjoy urine purebreds, stick toem if that is what mekks yall happy, an like'a that. YOU HAVE YOUR OPINION AND weunz have ours! Ya reckon?
What are you trying to say? Come right our and say it next time, If you would have read this conversation COMPLETELY, you would know it was over 2 hours ago. Ruddness was also stopped then as well, please do not polute the forum. IT IS AGAINST the rules.
***Edited By: puploves on 10/29/2005 12:34:38 AM*** Reason: Spell
excuse me........................................................... just because you don't want to talk about this anymore. Who knows, maybe if we have enough malcahol we'll come around to your thinking!
I.E. It was directed at me. You know Scout, for a Moderator you are really not that all impartial. Yes, I think that if you only believe that breeding purebreds are okay then you are closeminded.
Purebreds have KNOWN problems. Why intentionally breed animals together when you KNOW that there is a EXTREMELY good chance of at least one of them having a medical problem? Or lets see in the Purebred world it is known as "prone to" (Like that makes it better)
Luxating Patellas are running rampid in the dog world, so is Hip Dysplaysia, and hypoglycemia and entropian and a whole lot of other debilitating problems. Very few breeders can say that they have NEVER had any of these problems, and many will just give their "inferior" pups to a pet home. One of the people I spoke to when I was researching poms said that she was lucky if one out of every other litter was a good show quality! I heard the same EXACT thing from one of the chow breeders. So lets make a bunch of puppies and call ourselves good breeders so we can win at a highly overpaid and overestimated dog beauty contest? You cannot say they are helping the dogs conformationally when so many of the breeds are in bad conformation as it is! Dogs like the english bulldog, the show chow, the peke, the frenchie and many more should NOT have been bred the way they were. That is NOT how they were originally bred. Wonderful Purebred breeders have decided that they wanted to go for LOOKS! And they F'd up alot of the breeds in the process. If you think I am wrong, tell me why Mizzi's dog won't win without his ears being chopped off? Or why a Cream Chow who is beautiful conformationally will not win because her nose is not the right color? I am pretty damn sure that the people who used chows originally didn't give a damn about the color of the dogs nose. People who mix breed dogs as long as they do it correctly are doing NO MORE HARM then what we have already done to the poor purebred dogs. And we will see how many of these "designer" dogs make it to purebred status in 20 years. Then they will be okay.
I have NOT read all this-don;t even want to:) There are a lot of things wrong with that logic.
A dogs nose should be the right color. If it wasn't in the line before it shouldn't magically show up down the line. There are breed standerds for a readon and no dog should ever win a show if it cna't meet them.
Any small breeds are prone to luxating patellas and breeding them together doesn't lower that risk. Talked to some lady at dairy mart the other day and she was contemplating having hers pts because the thirs knee needed surgery again. And she supposedly went to a "good" mix breeder. My frineds puggle has been on steroids for weeks because of an inherited problem they now can't even figure out,the vet thinks discs again.
It takes proper breeding of the dogs we have,not new ones. Poeple shouldn't breed there dogs if they have these problems. that is the bottom line. If a mom brother sister aunt,etc has the problem they should not be bred. If the dog has the problem anywere in its line it can pop up agian. Same with a mix.
If a breeder has a full litter of say eight and can only place one in a show home they should re evaluate their stock. Some of the corgi breeders i know only place in show homes,every one of the dogs is in stnadered and I don;t see how a breeder can have only one from each litter work. Even then those dogs that should ahve been bred with such care should make the perfect pets,not some mixed breed.
And chows were originally bred for food. I doubt they did care about their nose color but when a standered was brought up they did begin to care. They are so overbred right now and I still think its horrible that your breeder let you take a pup that is know for aggression problems so early. I am not surprised at your view at this,but I don;t agree with it.
And what is wrong with a dogs ears being cropped? Haven't we all gone over this a lot. Not only is it standered but it helps them. If you cna get a dog fixed(which is very dangeroues,major surgery) what is wrong with a same day(for my dobe anyway,I know mizzis stayed overnight) surgery that they are completely over the next day?
Breeds like english bulldogs may have been changed but do you ever talk to the breeders? This is the only thing that keeps the dogs safe form bad breeders. The majority of byb will not pay for artificial insemination,all the xrays,vet visits to make sure they are/or are not ready yet and the c section. that is the only reason that breed is not completely ruined. Would they be healthier if they could hav ethem naturally no,they would be healthier with a diffrent mouth. But they changed them to begin with,those were mena dogs. should that not have been bred out of them?
***Edited By: joce on 10/29/2005 1:25:01 PM*** Reason: c
Quote= And chows were originally bred for food. I doubt they did care about their nose color but when a standered was brought up they did begin to care. They are so overbred right now and I still think its horrible that your breeder let you take a pup that is know for aggression problems so early. I am not surprised at your view at this,but I don;t agree with it.
Wrong, they were not bred for food originally. They were bred originally as hunters and guard dogs. The cream chow is hardly ever seen in the show world because most of their noses turn to a brown/chocolate color when they are older. The Chow Fanciers Club has already changed their standard because it is STUPID that a chow is judged by its NOSE! And my puppy was not sent too early. He was sent to me the same time just about EVERY chow is sent, even the show chows are sent at 8 weeks. Also, Chows are out of the fad era right now and there are less chows in rescue then there has been in the last 20 years. Learn your facts please.
Quote= And what is wrong with a dogs ears being cropped? Haven't we all gone over this a lot. Not only is it standered but it helps them. If you cna get a dog fixed(which is very dangeroues,major surgery) what is wrong with a same day(for my dobe anyway,I know mizzis stayed overnight) surgery that they are completely over the next day?
Wrong again. With the Cane Corso, and many other breeds, it is NOT standard, it says that they may or may not be cropped. And how does it help them? Help them win? That is important right? That is the overall goal of purebred dogs right? If upright ears were so important to the breed why weren't they bred in?? Alot of breeds ears were bred upright. It is mutilation for cosmetic purposes to win a dog show. That is all. It serves no purpose now. I only agree with spay and nueter because of the over population of animals, cropping ears does not help the pet population, but nice try on making them seem connected.
So my dobe,who I don;t show by the way,was mutilated because his ears were cropped? But its ok that you pup,who you are already having aggression issues with,got sent home to early? I don't want to start a fight with you,I just don't see how you can not see that? Who cares what the normal chow breeder does,the normal chow is untrained and aggressive. they are overbred. Thats why I would question any breeder seding one home that early when they should know those extra weeks can make al the doffrence. Many dobe breeders send home early but that doesn't make them good.
Maybe they were not first bred for food but I heard it on the last dog show on animal planet,I questioned it but didn't bother enough to check up on it.
And by the way a crop does much mroe than make them look pretty. My boy had earinfections that were horrible and the vet couldn't even get rid of them keeping him two days. he was cropped and not a problem since and he is five now. What would we have done if he couldn't be cropped?
***Edited By: joce on 10/29/2005 1:55:12 PM*** Reason: b
Actually, in my opinion YES! I think it is a bad idea to crop ears. I disagree with it whole heartedly. I think it is cruel and should not be done unless there is a medical benefit to it. Also, you still haven ot answered my question about why they were not bred that way? Why is it a "standard" if you have to "fix" them to fit it?? I should be able to paint my chows nose then.
As far as my puppy, Do you know anything about chows? I have researched this breed for years. His "aggression" was not really aggression. I corrected him incorrectly. You do not train a chow as if he were a dog. I reacted and I reacted wrong. Chows do not consider themselves dogs and that is not how they should be treated. My puppy has had no issues since I talked to my breeder and also some other people I know that have chows. I have had chows but this is my first chow puppy. He is not aggressive. Like I said Chows require a different type of training. Now that I am doing the correct training, he is great. It is much like spanking a child, wrong and abusive and not helpful at all, all you are doing is creating more problems, however, if you do correct methods of disciplne then you have a happy child.
You would have had to do the same thing that everyone else with dogs whose ears aren't cropped are doing. Get over it. My dog has an ear infection right now that he will have to be put on medication for. I am not going to crop my dogs ears because of it. And it doesn't make them look more beautiful, it makes them look more intimidating, but I guess with your "aggressive" breed, that is the look you want.
i just want to say that in having two french bulldogs, both are healthy. no breathing problems .my male has slight allergies, which alot of dogs get, mixes and purebreds. i also belong to a french bulldog forum with many many members and most all of their dogs have little to no health issues. the good breeders are breeding to correct problems that had previously plagued the breed. they are succeding. they are producing healthier dogs. i have been talking to one of the top french bulldog breeders/showers in the u.s. she has imported dogs from russia to improve her lines. russian dogs tend to be a little longer in snout with less breathing problems. yes. my dogs are young and could still develope problems, but they have a far less chance because of careful breeding and health testing. my breeder does health testing prior to breeding. she is careful in selecting which females to use with her stud. if i bought say a frenchton (frenchie/boston mix) i have no idea if there was any testing done at all and more than likely it wasnt. i would be paying a large amount of money and a far greater chance of developing problems down the road. like the saying, you get what you pay for. well i want to and expect to get what i pay for. and the only way that i have any chance of that is in buying from a reputable breeder, that KNOWS her lines and is breeding for the betterment of the breed. when i bought my french bulldogs. i WANTED french bulldogs. not frenchie/pugs, frenchie/pekes, etc, etc. FRENCH BULLDOGS. i wanted to know that when they grow up they will look like frenchies and act like frenchies and walk, talk and sleep like frenchies. the ONLY way that i could be assured of what i was getting was to buy a french bulldog. purebred. any breeder that truly cares about the breed will not mix it. period.
"I bred for pets, does that make me a bad breeder?"
"Wrong again. With the Cane Corso, and many other breeds, it is NOT standard, it says that they may or may not be cropped. And how does it help them? Help them win? That is important right?"
Yes Katz it is important!!!! Unlike you I am will not breed just for "pets". I am breeding to improve my breed which is what all responisible breeder should do. There are enough "pets" at the shelter. My dogs WILL be titled before they are bred and if not they won't be bred. I am sure I will end up with maybe a couple of pet quality puppies and they will be placed in pet homes but that is not my goal. To breed just for pets if hidious and just a way to pad your pockets plain and simple. When you make the comment like you did about is it wrong? I have to say YES is it wrong just to breed for pets. You are doing nothing for the breed by doing so.
BTW---once again are you sure you were ever even a breeder?????? Are you unpacked yet? I would still like to see the pics of the puppies you produced!!!