"AND...how come none of you commented on my right not to see your animal bodies hanging from the tree in your front yard or out of the pickup truck?"
I didn't comment 'cause I think it's silly to think that's a right you have. It's like saying I have a right not to see homeless people all over my downtown area because it makes me sad. That's not a right. All you can do when you see something that offends/saddens you is look away.
Everyone's big mac, chicken nuggets, carribean pork and easter lamb has hung on a hook at one point too. You just didnt see it. But just cause you didnt see it, didnt mean it didnt happen. Furthermore, you probably ate something at one point that wasnt stunned properly or was scared to death before it was killed.
But most dont care about that either.
Thing that kills me over this is, it is ok for someone ELSE to kill your meal, but those of US who kill our own are sick.
mtspirt, because i dont hang my deer or any other game across from your house to see! I do mine at the barn in my backyard and unless your sneaking around my woods(which I wouldnt advise) then you cant see what I'm consuming..thats why I personally didnt comment on that.Anybody else doing it you need to address them not us that dont!I'm sure they'll give you an answer(not granted you'd want it.lol!)
"Thing that kills me over this is, it is ok for someone ELSE to kill your meal, but those of US who kill our own are sick. " TraumaMamma, if you will read what I wrote,I never said anything about hunters being sick. Obviously many of you who hunt feel the need to accuse, get angry and make fun of those with different opinions in order to defend yourselves. There are many horrible things that happen in this world that I do not see...doesn't mean I am oblivious to the fact that they happen.Sorry that I am idiotic for thinking it would be too much to ask for some type of covering on the animal that was killed. Like I said...you do what you feel is acceptable for yourself and I'll do the same.
But I won't get into that. First off, I eat meat. There isn't anything wrong with it. If I had to go out and hunt just to get meat, I wouldn't. My point is, we don't need to hunt. Thatís all.
I don't like hunting. I would never hunt. People who will go out hunting a few times a year, get a deer or what not, eat it and go on with life are fine. Hunting for sport is wrong. People who hunt for fur are wrong. People who mount animal heads on their walls are disgusting, in my opinion. I don't want to go into someone's house and see that. ' Hey look! I killed this ferocious deer and placed its head on the wall! I'm so great!' Why are you proud of killing a deer? Or any animal for that matter.
I hate trophy hunters.
Thanks Rebel and mt,
And yes, I think someone had a good idea and said birth control in the water supply!
I dont think we're defending ourselves, we're defending our rights against attacks that we feel are personal ,just like you were. So i'll call a truce and hope no Catholics were offened by the birth controll comments. I love everybody because it brings me good karma, now weather or not they love me back is a differnt story!LOL!
See bon that we can discuss with out being ugly!(smile) The can of worms turned into butterflys i hope!lol!
I donít think it got ugly. It's just the way people discuss things.
I actually think this was a very good topic to bring up. There is more than one side to it, and that's actually a good thing. :) Having an open mind is the most important thing. Itís what everyone really needs to have.
***Edited By: wolf on 1/25/2006 4:11:31 PM*** Reason: I ate my shoe
I never realized hunting was so controversial. I wonder if it has something to do with where you grew up? Not only the state you live in, but rural vs city? For example, I live in rural Pa. Pa is a BIG hunting state. Now I guess if I lived in Pittsburg or Philadelphia, I wouldn't be exposed to hunting. But Pa is more rural than not, and it seems like at least half of the men I know around here are hunters. And the other half, for the most part, don't have anything against hunting-it's just not their thing. But I have seen the effects of starvation in deer herds, and it's not pretty. I have seen the effects of losing so much of our rural land to development, be it industrial or housing, that the deer are losing their habitat. You can't hardly drive on the interstate in Pa without seeing dead deer along (or on) the road. Would you rather see a dead deer on the road, knowing it died a painful death for no reason, or see a deer on someone's car roof, knowing that it died an instant death with one shot and will feed a family for a year?
:) well,duchess,can't say that I love EVERYBODY,but I don't dislike anyone here for their opinion.My philosophy is usually "I have mine and you have yours. Don't try to change my mind and I won't try to change yours" Now all you hunters.....I just got back from a 3 hour hike in the woods following deer tracks. I found 2 deer stands and I didn't knock em down or curse the owners. I'm not really all that bad.! Hey, Wolf...can I have the other shoe? I'm kinda hungry. ;)
My 2 cents on this issue. I do not eat meat. I do not approve of hunting. I will NEVER hunt. That said, I know that I cannot change someones mind who feels that they are in some way helping population or whatever. HOWEVER, can someone tell me why an animal needs or deserves to suffer the ill fate of being treed by coondogs or chased by hounds before they are killed? Or why these poor animals need to be shot with an arrow and die a slow, extremely painful death? I have seen many shows of hunting where it has taken MANY arrows to kill a baby bear. One particular one where the bear was shot with arrows multiple times while being treed by dogs, one of the arrows was through this babys eye! Finally it could not hold on any longer and the bear fell out of the tree and was atacked and killed by the dogs. Then the creeps that shot it held it up and took their picture! That poor bear was murdered. What chance did it stand? Why is it that a raccoon deserves to die when it is eating garbage out of our garbage cans? We have taken away any real food that these animals might have eaten and when they decide to find food, they get killed for it? I cannot change hunting but I VERY MUCH believe that if you are going to hunt, you had BETTER be able to kill that animal on the first shot. Arrow hunting is CRUEL!!!!! "Working your dogs" is CRUEL!!! An animals last few moments should not be sheer terror of running away from viscious dogs. How would you like to spend your last few minutes that way??
In Pa, it is illegal to bait deer or bear (or any animal, as far as I know) It is also illegal to hunt deer, bear, etc, with dogs. The only hunting I know of around here that allows dogs is bird hunting-pheasant, grouse, etc. And the dog doesn't attack the bird! It just retrieves it when shot.
Also, archery is JUST as deadly as a gun. I should know-my husband is an archery hunter, and he gets EVERY deer with just one arrow. If he's not sure he can get a perfect shot, he doesn't shoot.
I know not all hunters obey the law, and not all hunters are great shots. But on the other hand, not all dog breeders are the same. Some are excellent breeders with standards-some are byb. It was just in my paper today about an Amish man arrested for cruelty to animals-had 200 dogs. You can't lump all hunters together, just as you can't lump all breeders together.
That is incorrect, as I've said earlier there are a lot more rural families hunting to survive than urbanites realize. Try to think outside of your financial class, try to think beyond what goes on in highly populated areas. People still hunt/fish to live, just because thats not part of your lifes experience doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Not everyone has the money to walk into a grocery store and buy all that they need, and macaroni and cheese with cheap sliced hot dogs in it gets old fast. Thousands and thousands of Americans are sustinance hunting, feeding their families the best they can. Its a battle cry of PETA that 'we' have evolved past hunting and eating flesh, don't buy into it.
Watch Oprah tommrow and you'll see whyI feed Sunshine to my dogs and why i have to freeze deer, squirrel, fish and buy in bulk. We live in the rural South with 1 income 3 kids.We do the best we can and hunting helps supplement. I'm glad not everyone lives in a glasss bottle!LOL! I got to work my dogs to make ends meet and thats better than living off welfare and hearing uppies _itch about that too.My dogs love thier work by the way.
i can't say that i let my dead deer hang out of the back of my truck...i put my tailgate up as i wouldn't want my dinner falling out. so if you do see it in the back of my truck its because you looked over into the bed being nosey. drive by my house, and you might see it hanging in a tree, but only if i don't have room to hang it in the barn....don't like it? don't look. yeah, i have hides/furs, but i tanned them out myself off of what i had hunted. i even have a red fox skin hanging on my wall, a friend of mine saw it get run over and brought it to me.
anyways, something that no one has mention is the hunting resorts. any opinions there?
i can't say i agree with it...don't see how it would be any different than hunting down a farmers beef cow in the pasture, but i can't give a full opinion, as i have never done it.
Those hunting 'resorts' where they have all the animals fenced in and their all pretty much tame are for yuppies with more money than time who just want to kill something. Thats not hunting, their 'reserve' is often less than 40 acres, and the animals are farmed not wild. Its just for some rich jerk to say 'hey I shot a boar this weekend'.
I have a friend down south who just started a deer farm. Says their is killer $$ to be made growing those trophy deer. To that family, it is just like growing cattle for slaughter.
All I know that since I was little and went to 'Deer Forest' petting zoo, I wanted a doe of my own. It frusterates me that for a license fee any one can go out and kill one, but it is illegal to keep a wild deer as a pet... makes no sense to me.
there are ways (atleast here) to legaly have a deer for a pet. ofcourse it is costly and you have to meet specifications on fencing, but you can get a permit. i checked into it when i ended up raising 2 orphaned fawns. (thier mothers were hit by cars) they can be alot of fun, but they are a HUGE responsability. the ones i raised had very minimal human contact as they got older and eventually were returned to the wild.