1. I purchase a dog. Let's call her Anne. I want to be a breeder and Anne seems like she will have a good future as a show dog and breeder. Two years later, it is discovered that Anne has a hereditary disorder. She is spayed. I place her in a pet home; money is exchanged.
2. I purchase the same dog, Anne. I only want her as a pet. Anne is difficult to train. I am overwhelmed by the responsibility of dog guardianship. I am having second thoughts. I want to place my dog in a new home. Anne has been spayed. I will sell Anne for a small fee.
I want to know why situation 1 is ok but situation 2 is not? Mind you, we are talking about the same dog...same feelings etc I am just trying to understand why it is ok for breeders to rehome many dogs in a short period of time but it's not ok for someone who is not a breeder. Let me just say that I am not a breeder so there might be something I am missing. I am just trying to understand.
I guess what this boils down to is that with breeders, because breeding and showing is part of the game, if they don't rehome ex breeding stock then they would not be able to continue with their hobby as they would be overrun with dogs; as long as they ensure that they find a suitable, loving and permanent home then I don't see a problem with that and as long as they are also prepared to follow-up with the dog's new home and that would also entail having the address, phone no. and surname of the people. I am a breeder but find that I cannot rehome dogs that I have had with me for a number of years so hence I will eventually quit breeding.
As for your 2nd question, I guess what this boils down to is that people who want to own a dog should be doing research and find out as much information as possible as to the responsibilities that come with owning a dog and most simply do not do this and are totally ignorant when it comes to animal husbandry. If, for some reason, a person can no longer GENUINELY keep a dog then they should try to do their utmost BEST to ensure it goes to a good home.
i am not a breeder so i have a hard time looking at animals as anything but pets. and once they have entered my home there is little that would make me re home them.
i can however see the breeder side of it. my breeder emailed me a while back letting me know she was having one more litter from scouts mom then she was going to spay her and find a home for her. i admit i was taken aback by it. i brought the question up to a few breeders and received answers that made sense to me, from a breeding standpoint, not from a pet owners standpoint. which are two very different worlds at times.
as for your second scenario, i would not re home the dog. the reason you gave was not a valid one. yes some dogs are difficult to train but that itself is not a reason to give up on them. just means you need to put in more effort. however, if you came on this board and mentioned ten zillion times how you could not handle the dog and wanted to rehome the dog at some point i would agree it is probably best because you obviously do not want to be bothered with it.
the two scenarios you stated though are as different as apples and oranges and cannot really be compared to one another. if you want to compare two pet owners and their reasons for rehoming a dog then that would be a more realistic comparison then one between a breeder and a pet owner.
Both situations seem responsible to me. I can see where a breeder has to sell stock to keep in business and I can see where a tired pet owner feels like the pet deserves better than being a burden. In both cases it'll be the dogs best interest.
I guess I am disappointed because I always hear breeders say "I don't do it for the money. I do it for the love of the breed." I am trying to understand how you can say you love the breed but not the dog. I can't differentiate the two. Some dogs live with the breeder for as long as 6 yrs then they are retired . These dogs live in the home. Don't you create a bond of love and trust? Am I being naive here? When you "rehome" a dog who has been with your for 6 yrs don't you think that's cruel ?. Are you trying to say that a breeder (the dog) has different feelings than a pet?
just want to let you know scarydog that you have won the TP award for being the most persistent banned member of this forum. i dont think anyone else has loved this forum so much they have come back 19 times lol.
***Edited By: scout1 on 2/2/2006 8:17:41 PM*** Reason: x
I asked Icy tons of questions in chat and everything she said worked. My dog who scratched for years and was bald from time to time is now healthy thanks to Icy's good advice. So to heck with everyone else.
I can understand your point of view; you have to be able to let go if you are a 'professional' breeder. I find it difficult to fathom letting go of a dog that I have shared my life for x number of years so hence, as I have stipulated earlier, I will only be breeding for a little while longer and then I will have to stop.
BTW - Pearl, if somebody is banned, are they still able to loggon? I would have thought that they could no longer be able to register.
I guess it just depends on each person. Thats why we're all not breeders. I couldnt do it.
My hubby has hunting dogs and he's not a breeder but he gets them as puppies and trains them and then sells them after their started. He's only keeps 4-6 at a time and 4 are ours that I wont let him sell and we've been offered alot for them, but to me they are priceless! So to him they are a pastime/hobbie and to me they are family and a part of our lives , so i dont ever get attached to the pups he brings home.
We have a 12yr old that can hunt but not compitition and hes not a stud either and I will not part with him.He did us good all these years and i'm going to do right by him too.Now if my hubby had his way, he would of sold him a few years back when he still could of got $ off him. Its just differnt mentality I guess.
BTW Icy thanks for the advice. I went straight to fish like you said. It's only been 6 weeks but he's improved 110%. His hair has never looked so good. The vets (plural) could never figure out how to make him better. I've learned stuff from dusty and even you scout.
Those who breed have a different mission with their dogs. You cannot improve the breed if you keep everything forever. A hobbiest would become overwhelmed with too many dogs and then there would be no room to continue on with the breeding program. I feel a sense of happiness and am excited when I re-home one of my lovely bitches. I just put one that was 7 in a delightful home with a family who owns one of her sons. This family couldn't be more happy with their new friend. She sleeps on the couch, goes for long walks daily.. We only have room for so many. Re-homing is positive from a breeders point of view.
I have no problem really with the other scenario since the owner obviously is in over their head and didnt' do much research. The dog is better off re-homed. In my case though I hope it would have been offered back to the breeder so, that they could try to find the best situation fo the dog.
Hey scout, pyrmom can ban me all she wants. I could care less. I didn't violate any rules but go ahead ban me anyway. LOL It's no big deal to me. I think it's hilarious how she bans me just because it's me. Although she has said time and time again "you can come back as long as you follow the rules and she has said she doesn't ban people without approval of ALL mods." What a joke. LOL If I really cared about being banned by prymom, don't you think I would have disguised my ip? LOL If I have a question ..I'll come back. She'll just have to get over it.
Hey Rebel, I am not starting stuff. I didn't correct anyone on their spelling, I didn't say country people are bad, or women are controlled by men blah blah blah. I am asking a question about something I don't understand. Someone tried to give me a 6 yr old dog because she can't be bred anymore . She had one puppy her last litter and she killed it.
dogs dogs dogs/scary out of all the forums out there why do you keep comingback to the one that has banned you 18 times? I mean honestly I have always been curious about this. Maybe you could shed some light on this.