and just so i can get my "facts" straight, maybe you can show me the sources of your "facts".

Well, I think there have been some breeders and rescues mentioned on here in the past that discriminate against people with children or that can't afford to put up a fence.

I have denied a few specific families that I have been uncomfortable with the way they supervise their children. I also have more questions for families with younger children. Because young children unsupervised can be a danger to young puppies and vice versa. But I would never blanket discriminate against any one (though I can see how some one with the very small breeds may feel differently to protect their puppies).

As I have said before, do your best to get the puppy a good home, but you NEVER EVER EVER can guarantee that at some point they may need to rehome the dog. Illness, divorce, death in the family, job loss, Domestic violence. There are a million reasons why some people feel it is necessary to rehome a dog.

The best guarantee that they won't 'dump the dog' is to maybe have them do a mandatory obedience class with the dog, so you know they are bonding with it and the dog is learning good manners and does not become a 'nusance' or problem for the family. If the dog is gold they will treat it as such. If the dog is rotten it might not be that hard to give it up.

I never have a problem taking back one of my puppies/dogs and in my contract is a 'no questions asked' return policy. The few that I have had back in the past several years were rehomed with in two weeks and I have other people waiting for any returned or retiring dogs. JMO.

Call around and get your own facts way I suggested. That way that doesn't leave room for some to try and poke holes thru anything I state. If I say what answers I get from say my vet, it's only heresay.

I didn't say vets keep a tally, but they do have eyes and a brain.

no way in heck am i going to call my vets office and ask them what percentage of people that come to their office are of color. not only would i feel like a complete idiot asking, but they would most definately believe that i was !

Just like I said, in this day and time everyone has to walk on eggshells for fear of being labeled "racist".

Your though process is a little off. If you want to deny someone deny them because their app. sucked or because their past history with animals suck. Not because they are "too young" or the wrong skin color.

Are these reasons that you tell people they are turned down? Do you tell them they are too young or the skin is the wrong color?

Can you read? I said that I have not even had anyone "of color" whatever the he** that means, apply for a puppy.

Ok then when you turn down young people. Do you tell the reason why they are turned is because they are to young?

"There, I said it. Let the uproar begin. Many people probably feel the same way but dare not say it."

Feel the same as...what? Do you like being a number? Cause as far as the government is concerned, that's all you are is a number on a piece of paper. But your not. Your a person with values, beliefs, emotions...

People are people and it's not right to group them together and tally up whatever the hell it is you are trying to tally up. Are you that thickheaded that you don't get that each person/new home for your pups is a different experience? There is a fact for you.

Not everyone thinks and takes care of their dogs the same exact way as you do. And that is ok. The only thing that matters is if they are loved, medically sound and taken care of the way their new owner sees fit.

Neglect and abuse of course, are deal breakers but the average Joe is born with an ability to get a good sense of a persons character and demeanor. Gut feelings are how we are built to survive 9 times out of 10. THAT is what the decision should be based upon. Not some BS numbers on a piece of paper about people who aren't standing right in front of you.

It is intimidating enough going through an experience of "proving yourself" to people, let's not look down our noses and assume. You know what they say about assuming... "You make an as.s out of u and me."

I still keep in touch with my breeders. With play visits and photos frequently.

Everyone here can think whatever they want of me, I don't care. I am confident in myself and beliefs to be ok with myself. Maybe I am just not saying what I mean in the right words.

I do know that I have only ever had 1 puppy returned, due to that fact that they had taken home 2 and then decided that 2 was too much for them.
I have never had to refund anyone due to health or any other reason. If one were to call either of the animal hospitals in my town and ask where to buy a doxie, they will get my phone number. I have many people referred to me by happy past buyers and have far more people wanting one of my puppies than what I can provide. So in the end, as long as I know all of my dogs get a good life, then I am doing a good job. Period.

Those of you that want to bash me for MY beliefs, and for not thinking YOUR way are hypocrites.
Those that agree and are afraid to say so, sad.

No, I have never turned anyone down simply because of age alone. But I have noticed younger people do not seem to pass all of my criteria. Age set aside, there will be a few things that makes me decide "no" and then it so happens they are a younger person. But as I had mentioned, this one young lady passed everything with flying colors, and after some deep thought, I decided ok, let's try this.

A racist is someone who believes that the color of a person's skin defines things about their character as a person. Your own statements show you to be someone who believes that race defines their character. You, ma'am, are a racist by the exact definition of it whether you want to believe it or not. It is amazing how many "intelligent" people believe the world is getting too PC, because racism isn't acceptable anymore. There is a difference between "in my experience my clientele is XYZ" and what you said. If you can't see it - no one here can help you with that.


***Edited By: Nalian on 5/10/2006 4:53:25 PM***
Reason: to correct grammar

Wow, maybe I need to move somewhere else because obviously in other areas things are so very different.

I'm ignoring some of the drama and just including my constructive input...

I am also in my mid twenties, like Icy. I manage to share ownership with my parents and sister for quite a few dogs. I am starting to show in conformation and have been working in Obedience. My dogs are fed a premium food, given exceptional vet care, all on heartworm preventative, groomed weekly (brushing, teeth, nails, ears), all obedience trained, etc... Their needs come before my own AT ALL TIMES. I had my first litter of puppies at 20 years old (well I didn't have them, the dam did, but you get the point :). I feel I am a better dog owner than a good majority of the people I have met that are in their 30's, 40's, 50's, etc...

To add to that - my sister is 19. She bought her first dog (yes, he is hers) at 15 years old. She saved the money from her summer job. She has always paid his vet bills (we cover his food as we do use him for breeding), paid for his Obedience Classes and pays his entry fees for Obedience trials, she grooms him at least twice a week. She also has since bought 2 other dogs and rescued a deaf Sheltie (we consider her a joint effort - but it was Karly who put in the effort to teach her sign language). She is responsible for her dogs and made the decision to attend college while living at home in order to maintain them. She is studying to be a veterinary technician - and between school, caring for her dogs, and dog classes and Obedience that is her life during the school year.

Not every young person is going to be a responsible dog owner - BUT not every person in general will be. I NEVER ask age, past asking if they are over 18 years old (to verify they can legally commit to a business transaction/contract). I can get a gut feeling based on a person past that. I've met 40 year olds that I've turned down for one of my puppies. I actually enjoy placing puppies in homes where the primary care giver will be a teenager - especially if they are planning on training the dog for Obedience or Agility in 4-H (those dogs get better training than most pets - and with a breed that thrives on training, it's ideal). I do ALWAYS make sure that Mom & Dad will play a big role in making sure the dog is cared for and Mom & Dad sign the contract.

I personally would have bigger issues with placing a puppy with a 60 year old than with a 20 year old...

BUT I do feel it is you choice to place a puppy with whomever you feel most comfortable. I know there are always specific puppies I won't place in homes with small kids (the smaller ones mainly as I feel kid homes deserve a dog big enough that the kids can enjoy - my choice as a breeder).

I'm just saying, there are A LOT of great young people out there - you don't have to give a pup to them no questions asked - but I don't think the age should be a make or break deal.

omg and holy crap !!! can't believe what i am reading. as far as your facts go luvmydoxys they are a little off to say the least. i work in a vets office. our clientele is largely white. reason being ? ..... i live in an area of my state that is populated largely by white people. if i were to work in another town, say newark or irvington, then i am sure that vet offices' clientele would be largely blacks or hispanics, as those two cities in my state are largely populated by blacks and hispanics. i don't think you can prove anything by your little questionaire and i think it is ridiculous to even think you could ..good grief !!

ok, yeah whatever, what YOU said. Just pretend I argee with everything that everybody here thinks and everyone can be happy again with their rose colored glasses on. In the meantime I will continue to choose who I want, and how I want for my puppies. That's my right and there isn't a darn thing anyone can do about it.

Then why did you even ask for opinions?

"Selecting new homes for puppies
Am I being unfair?"


Did I miss something here? *looks around at everyone sharing their thoughts and opinions*
doxy, are YOU not the one getting mad because we don't agree with YOU?

I asked for opinions on my "age" issue, and with those opinions made a decision in favor of the young applicant.
Then Blackqueen8 made the comment that they hoped I wasn't also using race as a decision maker also, which then started this whole race issue. So there you have it. You always think you've found something to jump on, don't you. Well as the saying goes, look before you leap.

***Edited By: luvmydoxys on 5/10/2006 6:38:18 PM***
Reason: spelling

Maybe you should revisit this thread when you're not so angry. I know when I am angry I can't think of much else other then being angry.

There really is alot of good opinions on this thread and it would be a shame that you dismiss them because you're seeing red.