I am the person katz is so "afraid" of. Do I care?
I called the shelter, with the info she posted. She adopted a dog from a shelter in a deceiving way, she was going to rehome it then all of a sudden she was thinking of keeping it. She already renamed it. I let it slide.
She took it to the groomers and posted pictures bragging about how handsome he is.
She took the dog to the vet and found out he needed a 5oo dollar opperation in order to better his quality of life which she COULD NOT AFFORD. Why have pets if you can't afford to do what is in their best interest?
But, I notice you did manage to get him groomed and post pictures bragging about how handsome he is. That is not all pet ownership is. It is the ups the downs, the good and the bad times. I would not part with any ONE of mine for ANYTHING.
I called the shelter and let them know they were deceived and what her plans were. They were less then amuzed. They whole heartedly agree that is the straw that breaks the camels back. First you lie, then you can't afford basic vet care.
I have always been upfront with you and you even admitted lying about Kodas health problems and why he had to live outside. You get another male chow and wonder why there are aggression issues. Koda gets rehomed. Now he at least gets attention and love instead of getting his picture taken.
Not even a month later after you cry about the problem of collecting and rehoming you have, you get 2 more cats a fish and now a "foster" dog that before he was even in your home you were considering keeping.
Do you want the list of animals? Here the list is that she posted herself right here on terrificpets: QUOTE-"Shanaa - A cat that was terrified of my daughter and any loud noises - Rehomed (This cat was brought up from my ex step fathers house and was pretty wild. All she did was hide and run. She was very stressed all the time. I had a VERY young child at the time. I found her a home where there was no kids and she was an only cat)
Magic - A cat WE raised who turned out not liking kids either - Rehomed (Exact same thing, except Magic was a kitten from Tiocy. We had her since she was born, but she was very skiddish. She would get nervous and try to slap at my daughter.....WHO BTW was still just a baby)
Belle - A stray cat that we found in the middle of the street, didn't like men - Rehomed (Technically a foster, we had her for about a month I think. We found her a home of a single, divorced woman and her daughter.)
Chloe - Puppy adopted from the shelter, genetic defect in her throat - Put to Sleep
Chuka - Sister to Chloe also adopted, hit by car at 9 months old - Died on the way to vet (Climbed over 6 ft. kennel. and ran)
Teyah - A Samoyed adopted from the Shelter, didn't like Chuka(same sex aggression) - Rehomed (I lived in a small house, adopted Teyah because she was going to be PTS and it didn't work out. Chuka hated her. We had Teyah for 3 months, helped her lose over 20 pounds, and found her a home as an only dog and a jogging companion)
Naku - Spitz bought from a byb, dog was bought to be rescued from bad place - Rehomed (Naku, was bought as a rescue. He was rehomed to a great woman who hated men and just wanted a dog to dote all of her attention on. Naku now even has his own pool)
Sulah - Pomeranian bought with Naku, same thing except she didn't like kids or loud noises - Rehomed (Sulah is with a friend of mine, she doesn't have little kids. Sulah was scared of my kids playing and would snap at them and also do submissive urinating. She has become queen of her castle and is now very spoiled. She is the love of her owners life)
Kenai - Pomeranian bought from breeder, suffered from severe seperation anxiety as well as was afraid he was going to get hurt by our larger dogs - Rehomed (This was probably the hardest one for me. I LOVED Kenai to death. However, his seperation anxiety was horendous. If you even stopped at a stoplight, he would start freaking out. It was becoming to where he was getting almost hated by my husband as bad as that sounds. Also, Kenai was hurt twice by Koda and Kaia....Kenai now lives on a very large open farm, odly enough with a dog named Koda. He gets to sleep with his new owner who does nothing but dote on him and give him the attention he needs. She is homeschooled so he is with her ALL day. As hard as it was for me, I KNOW he is happier.)
Cheyanne - Pomeranian bought from breeder, never bonded with her as well as afraid she would get hurt from larger dogs - Rehomed (This one I have explained so many times it is pathetic. I STILL have no bond to her, why? I do not know. I really do not like her at all that much.(no offense Michele) BUT where she is now, she is LOVED and she gets TOTAL attention from everyone in the house, the only other animal there is a cat who is outdoor mostly. They also have one daughter who is 5 and they cannot have any more kids so Chey is like the 2nd kid that they couldn't have.)
Mercedes - Cat adopted from shelter, dissapeared after sneaking out of the house - Missing (This cat was HELL to live with, but she was rescued because she was going to be PTS. We posted signs up for over a month looking for her but never found her. She was always trying to dart out around you.)
Kaia - Golden/Chow mix adopted from shelter, suffered from sever luxating patellas as well as rare genetic defect - Put to Sleep"-END QUOTE
Well, now you can add koda, Cinder and Harley to that long list. Yes, she is rehoming the cat that in her own words "doesn't like her".
So to anyone who has a problem with it.... tough. I never threatened her family or her. The woman has issues and I am not going to let her sit there and mess with the system, mess up these animals and pass them around like trading cards.
Shame on you katz for even mentioning this over here. I didn't bring it up, remember YOU did.
It's really sad that you are still lying by omitting things so you can get all the pity over here.....lying by omission is still lying.
***Edited By: pope1982 on 6/8/2006 10:55:31 PM*** Reason: Adjusted to make katz quotation clearer.
Mods. Deleating all her posts is not fair to everyone else either. Leave the posts, and if she wants to leave (it is her choice) let her go, don't go deleting her posts.
Oh yeah, I just mentioned the part about if the person who was "threatening her" indeed was that it is illegal. Not to say that you really are or are not, that is for you and her to know and really no one elses business.
no one has threatened her, merely exposed the fact that she scammed the shelter out of a dog under false pretences, then told her internet "friends" the shelter contacted her, and begged her to take this dog in. She has a long history of this, many people have tried to politely tell her how wrong this is for animals sakes, some people have said it not so politely. That is a long list of animals to be done in such a manner. We were privy to this information, only because she shared it so openly, no one has had to spy on her to know these things, she has told it herself. This is a public forum, you can search old threads, if they are still there and read it for yourself.
OK, I'm probably being an idiot for getting involoved, but I see both sides. Katz is saving dogs until she finds them a home. Intentional fostering, or not, the fact still remains that she is saving them.
Just one question though, I realize pets are expensive. I would not be able to pay huge amounts for a dog. Both of my dogs have come to me unexpected. If you can afford to buy a dog from a breeder, and to get them groomed, why can't you afford to get the treatment needed?
Having a sick dog is awful, especially between paychecks. Maybe if you had less liabilities, pets, then you could afford the emergencies that arise.
Katz, I truly think that your heart is in the right place. Maybe instead of taking pets in, you could volunteer at the shelters. This would be helping the animals just as much.
its not a matter of liking or disliking her. its about the animals. what happens to them. if you adopt a dog from a shelter, knowing it has severe eyes problems, you can see it in the pics, then treat the dog. if you can not afford to do it, then leave the dog up for adoption so that someone who has the means can have a chance at it. now she has basically removed any hope for this dog to get the surgery he needs. he is no longer available, katz cant afford the surgery, so where does that leave harley ? why didnt she contact any chow rescues BEFORE adopting the dog. because she planned on keeping him until she found out he had problems. now its time to go, but he has nowhere TO go. in trying to help the dog, all she has really done, is killed his chances of finding a home where he can get his eyes corrected. sad for the dog....
Wow, I had seen several of those posts, but when they are put together............I agree w/bellas mom, if someone has LESS pets then you can have more $ for the ones you have. My heart is in the right place too, but I have a responsibility as well to the pets I already have, so I go down to the shelter & do what I can in that way. Its not monetary, but it is helping, which in the big picture, isnt that the point?
My husband and I are doing good taking care of the 5 dogs, 3 cats, and last but not least, 2 kids that we do have. I have a big heart and so does my hubby, but we know for a fact that we can not take on any more pets financially. We would never adopt a pet knowing that if it needed surgery, that we could not provide it for them. I agree, no bashing, Katz is no longer here. I just wanted to state my opinion, I am not bashing at all. I know her heart was in the right place, unfortunately for the dog, the money wasnt.
I do not think this is bashing at all. It is OK to expose other's faults.
I believe, like others, in Katz' good intentions. And I think that she can be approached as an adult and have people ask her if she hasn't gone a little far this time?
I believe her eyes are bigger than her stomach. It is a very thin line to walk where you want to solve every problem and soon become part of the problem.
My opinion is that Harley didn't need another home to send him to another home to send him to another home... on and on..... If you can't grab hold of him forever... then it is OK to say "I can't help this one."
I have to say "I can't help this one" every single day or I would have a house of hundreds of dogs and the authorities would have to come rescue all of them!!
You have to realize that you can only do your part, in all things. And once you cross that line, someone else has to bail you out because you have become part of the problem. And once you have become part of the problem, others get to tell you their opinion of your actions! MHO.
***Edited By: kdubbs27 on 6/8/2006 4:33:48 PM*** Reason: add
My question is was this a kill shelter or not? If it is a kill shelter, why would they care if she planned to re-home the dog or not?
Hey Katz-- Since that shelter won't let adopt any more, why don't you go Animal Control Shelter two counties over from me. They sell the dogs to laboritories for $25 a head. Take them ALL if you want. Please.
***Edited By: alicat1 on 6/8/2006 5:45:04 PM*** Reason: ad
The point is she does not need anymore animals. She has rehomed more animals in the last year, than most people ever own in a lifetime.
This dog was not hers to take in. She could have called a rescue to take him. She could have told other chow lovers about him. If you adopt a pet, its YOUR pet for life, not until you cant afford it, dont like it, or just want a new one.
I know I don't post over here as much as I used to, but I have seen all these issues firsthand as well. For the record, as a person, I like Katz. But as far as what she does with animals all the time, it can be kind of disheartening.
A lot of us have been on this forum for several years, so we have seen firsthand the amount of animals that she has rehomed. As far as her history, what we have seen is that she tends to get an animal and is so proud of it that she wants to share it with all of us. This wouldn't be a problem except, eventually, this pet is no longer talked about as much. We start to hear about health or behavior problems this pet has. Then all of a sudden, a new pet is in the situation. This pet is talked about a lot, and numerous pictures are shared. Pretty soon it gets to the point where the first animal needs to be rehomed for some reason. Things happen that are out of her control, but this has happened so many times that a lot of us have lost count. It's one thing for it to happen once or twice, but it's become a pattern over the last few years. We can pretty much count on an animal getting rehomed as soon as she gets another one, or is thinking about getting another one. It's almost like the novelty of the first one has wore off. And at first, a lot of people were more understanding, and just asked that since it is a pet forum full of pet lovers, if she could please stop sharing all these rehoming stories with us if she was going to keep doing it. She promised she would, but didn't follow through with it and would continue to tell us everytime she wanted to rehome another pet. So she was involving us in stuff we didn't want to be involved in the first place.
It has basically been said, but what happened is Katz came on another forum awhile back that some of us are members of and apologized for her rehoming problem. She admitted that she did it, and had a problem and that she wanted to change. Everyone on that forum is very forgiving and nice, and everyone treated her with respect and let the past be in the past. She would repeatedly say on that forum that she would never get anymore pets. Then recently, she had gotten a kitten and had decided to rehome her other cat Cinder. We were all starting to get weary at this point, thinking it was happening again. But none of us said anything. Then she posted pictures of a dog that she got from a shelter (Harley AKA Puff). She said that she was fostering this dog because it was going to be put down. This is right after she rehomed her last dog Koda I might add. None of us had a problem with this at first, because we felt she was doing something nice for this dog. We even helped her with names.
One of the members saw the petfinder ad from Harley, and contacted the shelter because it was close by her, and inquired about another dog on their site that she herself was interested in. She asked if she could foster this dog, and they replied no. She was confused why Katz would be allowed to foster and not her. The shelter was confused and asked what she was talking about. When this person explained it to them, they explained that the dog in question wasn't fostered, that he was adopted out. The shelter thought Katz adopted him for herself. They had no clue that she didn't intent to keep him. She lied to all of us about fostering him because she was scared we would be upset with her for getting another dog, especially since she had just rehomed Koda and her cat. For me personally, I was upset by the deception because I like Katz and have talked to her for several years. I thought the initial act of helping the dog was in good intentions, but it was overshadowed by all the different stories that were being put out.
When she was confronted, asking why the shelter said the dog was adopted, she continued to lie and said that she would contact the shelter because they made a mistake. But pretty soon, the lies couldn't be covered anymore and she was forced to admit the whole truth. She told us that she had adopted the dog because she feared the dog would have been put to sleep. With the medical conditions this dog had and the fact that he is a Chow, I personally thought it was good of her to get him out of the shelter but was upset still that she had made up an entire story about it all. And then I found out that she had considered keeping this dog, and became frustrated (as did others) that she would not give this dog medical care if she was considering keeping him. Since she adopted him and wasn't fostering him, she should have been prepared for any costs the dog incurred. I didn't think this before, because I honestly thought she was just fostering him. But that isn't entirely the case.
Katz is a nice person, but she has a lot to work out as far as animals are concerned. And a lot of people are just sad for those pets, and that's why they got upset. It's not a personal vendetta with some members. It's just years of this that has finally gotten out of hand. Just thought I would put my two cents in, because some of these members in question really are really great people. I talk to them everyday, and I just don't want anyone to get the wrong idea about them.
I've recently found out that the shelter would have given Harley to a breed rescue if it would have come down to him getting put to sleep. So he wouldn't have gotten put to sleep if he would have stayed in the shelter.
Thank you huntersmom. I was totally confused. I tried to go back and read a lot of old post to try and figure out what was going on.
I'm not trying to be mean when I say this, so please don't take it this way... perhaps katz has some kind of mental problem... you know like (I forget the medical term) when someone injures their child over and over again for the attention they get...?
And just to clear it up, when I told the woman at the shelter of her intentions of turning him over to a chow rescue because she couldn't afford his care, she told me that was what would happen if she were to bring him back to the shelter.