To the OP, I know it's hard, don't be discouraged. What I would do, don't feed him as much in the morning as you usually do. Put the divider in the crate, so he has jsut enough room to turn around and lay down. He shouldn't poop in there since he would have to lay in it. Don't put a blanket in until he stops pooping in there. Have a friend or pet sitter come over every 2 hours, (puppies need to go out every 2 hours) and have them give him lunch during that time, water, and potty.
why a pet sitter every 2 hours? Having a pet sitter come over every day at $8 a visit in our area would add up in a hurry :P If the puppy was alone for 8 hours (which this one is NOT) thatd be at least $24 a day. Dang it'd be cheaper to board!
Puppies can supposedly 'hold it' for the length in hours of their age in months +1.. so that's every 4 hours for this puppy... this puppy is alone for about 6 hours a day? That's not that much. I don't think a puppy being left alone in a crate for 6 hours is unreasonable, its pretty normal IMHO.
I do think there's a mistake being made in having a large crate as the one described, because what are you doing? Encouraging the puppy to go in the crate.. that defeats the whole purpose, becuase your'e training the puppy to soil it's den. The idea with a crate is to provide as little space as possible as dogs do not like to pee, eat and sleep all in the same location, to make it hold it so it does not soil it's den. Put the divider back in and shrink the space.
***Edited By: Minniyar on 7/7/2006 2:01:41 PM*** Reason: add
As he gets older, he will be able to hold it for longer. I dont see why some people discourage people getting puppies when they work 8 hours a day. I did it. Kiba is fine. Days off.. nite and mornings spent with her.
Good luck with the pup. I have a now 6 month old pup that I've basically done barely anything to do with housebreaking. Kiba taught him. LOL.
Poms4ever, he's a real beauty. I love his color he's very cute. I invited you to be "pup-pals". Ideally, when your crate training all that should be in there is his bed, blankies and a few toys. Also, cover the crate with a sheet or blanket, so he sleeps better. Wear him out before you leave or even before bed and he will sleep well, it isn't cruel to cut it off. He just cannot think it's ok to pee and poop his mess in his own home (crate). Don't leave the water in there, leave it somewhere else with his other bowls.
i guess i am the "odd man out" here. i can not see leaving an animal confined all day to a crate with just enough room to turn around in. it just pushes the cruel button, but then again i have never crated an animal. i am with my dogs 24/7 normally. there were a few times when they had to be left alone for several hours. i just put them in the bathroom with their beds, toys, food , water and potty pads. they used the pads. sometimes they missed the pads a little , but it wasnt long before they got the hang of it. to me cramming a dog in a small compartment for hours on end is just as bad as chaining them. jmo
Its not about locking them up. Many many dogs come to adore their crates. I walked into the dog room earlier today and found four puppies and two adults sleeping in crates, and sharing as well. The doors where open as was the back door into the dog yard.
It is important for their safety and future training. Dogs do need to understand how to accept confinement anyway. They will eventually be confined at the vet or groomers or becuase something like you moving.
They are not humans and have a diffrent concept of personal space then we do. Even each human culture has a diffrent concept of personal space and how much room an individual needs.
I agree that crating isn't cruel. The dog needs to be crated in order to be fully house trained and it's better for Prince's safety. He's a very very small dog, I'm sure his mommy doesn't want to come home to him running all over the apartment/house pooping and peeing everywhere. Some dogs love their crates.
sienna, i said it was just my opinion of being locked in a crate. i have confinement issues that stem from my childhood as to why i dont like small confinement. i didnt say to let the dog run around and pee and poop all over the apartment. i suggested maybe putting the dog in the bathroom. she said she is gone 9-5. thats 8 hours straight of being in a crate. of course it will pee and poop in it. thats a long time for a puppy. if there is no one to take it out at intervals.
Dusty it wasn't a bash, I just don't know how people train dogs without crating them. I agree 9-5 is a long time but her friends let him out, she said. If I didn't crate train Max, he'd be a wild dog, lol. They need it, especially poms, because they're so little. When they're small, crating is great for them. And her friends let him out, so im sure he's well cared for.
Poms4ever: Prince is adorable! I hope you can get him to stop eating his poop. Luckily I don't have that problem with my pup... she does like to eat bird droppings though. Yuck!
Dusty: I like your idea of keeping the dog in the bathroom, but how do you keep them from destroying the woodwork and tearing up the wee wee pads? I personally feel more at ease leaving Precious in her crate when I have to leave the house... it just seems easier that way, and she does great in there... of course I rarely ever leave her in there for more than 2-3 hours at a time, but still.
Most dogs wont automatically go after and destroy the woodwork.... or anything.
Stryder's only been in his crate a few times (he's 6 months now). He's 90% housebroken. And Kiba's basically shown him what to do. *throws Kiba a cookie*
You could also try an exercie pen and wee pads or something on one side. How long intervals does he has to wait until someone lets him out? I tried the pee pads at first but they were just a fun toy to run around the kitchen with.
When Lacy was a puppy I first tried leaving her in the bathroom. She has always had some separation anxiety issues and while I was gone, she would pull the toilet paper off the roll, chew the baseboards, tear up the potty pad and open up the cabinets and pull everything out. I kept trying new things to make it work without her tearing stuff up and I finally just got a crate. She does much better being in a crate - she doesn't love being in there at all but I think she just really doesn't like being left alone. But she does tolerate the crate and it's safer for her and definitely keeps her out of trouble and keeps her from having accidents while I'm gone since she won't potty in the crate.