I do not allow puppies to go as christmas presents. I do not allow them to go as valentines presents. No holidays what so ever. One of the questions on my buyer application is "Is this puppy a gift" If they are stupid enough to say yes then they don't get a puppy at all.
I must say that i see both sides of it though, for some bringing a puppy into the home during christmas is well thought out and planned upon maybe because thats when they get a bonus of extra money to invest in a dog. Maybe thats when they are home the most to train it and have it adjust to the home and family. And i would not critisize a good family like that. But there are sooooo many more families that did not plan it, they saw an ad online or in the paper that said CHRISTMAS PUPPIES and they ran out to get one because jimmy has always wanted a dog.
I protect my puppies by never allowing them to go as a gift of any sort at anytime of the year. I'll never change that policy!
Oh and as for Juno. You are absolutely disgusting, a backyard breeder through N' through and that is a fact! A fact that you have brought to all of our attention. WOW!! May god have mercy on your greedy soul!
You people are so naïve. You can’t believe everything you read and should always consider the source and the agenda behind it. You can not just choose to reject reality and substitute it with your own.
Has it occurred to any one that the reason there are so many more dogs in the shelters after Christmas is because a lot more people buy a dog during that time and not because it was a Christmas gift? It is simple math folks. Think about it. Let’s say 10% of all dogs sold end up in the shelter for whatever reason. Now let’s say that at Christmas time 3x more dogs are sold then at any other time of the year. It is only logical that 3x more dogs would end up is the pound for the same reasons, isn’t it? That is why there is a rise of shelter population. Nothing to do with Christmas per say. It is just a matter of simple math.
Now I did not say that dogs as gift to people who do not want one or do not expect one, or giving a dog to kids and expecting them to take care of the dog is a good idea. I believe it is not at any day of the year. What I am saying is that when done right for the right reasons, a pup for Christmas can be a win win situation for all involved. The buyer get a dog for the family which they were about to get anyway and the kids get the “gift” they were begging for forever. You kill two birds with one stone. I keep seeing it mentioned that Christmas is not a good time due to hectic and stressful times. Not everyone find themselves in that situation. Those who do don’t have to pick up the dog right away. I had many buyers who would purchase the dog for Christmas but pick it up at a latter day when things have settled down a bit or when they were back home. The main reason for that they want to count a “christmas gift” but do not want to wait too long for all the good pups to be gone. So they put a collar, a leash and some toys in a wrapped box under the tree and watch the kids’ reaction when they finally realize what it all means. I saw some videos of that moment. It is priceless.
You can be a responsible breeder and sell your dogs during Christmas and follow the same procedure you do at any other time of the year. The same scrutiny and contracts apply year round to ensure the right dog goes to the right family for the right reason. The time of year should make no difference.
What non breeders fail to understand is that you can not control your dogs’ cycle. They come in to heat twice a year on their own schedule, not when it is convenient for the breeder. Another thing non breeders do not understand is that the demand for pups fluctuate dramatically and consistently during the year. There are certain times of the year that no one buys dogs, and certain time when they are all gone in a couple of weeks.
Since the summer months are the worst time to sell pups, many breeders will not breed their dogs at that time. There is no point in breeding if you can not find homes for the pups, have to cut your price and get stuck with old pups no one wants. So when the next time the dog is in heat again happened to be August, a breeder is left with three choices. Either skips another heat which will make the next litter ready for the undesirable summer time again. Breed it, keep the pups until they are 3-4 months old and sell them for half price because everyone with money to spend already spent it on a pup or other gifts for Christmas and because no one likes old pups. Or they can breed it and sell the litter during the time of the year when the litter can be sold in a record time for a full price.
Decisions, decisions, what a breeder to do?
It doesn't take a genius to figure the answer to that. The market pretty much makes the decision for the breeder.
There it is. I said it. Now bash away.
Lovebug, How many skeletons do you have in your closet that you know better then to bring to all of our attention? I can only imagine. At least with me, you know who you dealing with. No surprises there.
Oh, and for the ones who asked, I got a chocolate lab litter, a yellow lab litter and a golden retriever litter. So no chance of confusing them, beside, all of the pups are microchiped before I let them mingle with the others, which btw takes care of the pound’s concerns since they can be traced back to me.
You know why you stay anonymous and don't "shy away" from the controversial threads juno? Because, in your "real life" you are so pathetic you would never have the courage to be this way. So why put on an a front over the Internet? Wouldn't seeing a therapist be more beneficial?
Either you lack back bone and or attention. It is quite transparent and I think that is why a lot of people don't bother with you.
Maybe selling your properties and your dogs would be wise so you can find something in life that will make you happy. And have to earn an honest dollar without ripping people off or scamming them? Get out in the real world instead of staying home 24-7 with litters upon litters.
Don't tell us we don't know how you really feel when you post time and time again gloating about it pal.
It is sad really. I actually kinda feel sorry for you...
I'm not even getting into this arguement, but I just wanted to say... When we got a pup, we specifically did NOT want a pup over the winter months. Reason for this-house training. I absolutely DID NOT want to have to train a pup to want to go outside in the snow and/or freezing cold! I think I read earlier that you are in CA? So maybe this doesn't apply to you.
I do have to say, though-if more dogs are sold in Dec (or at least, winter) isn't it logical to assume that they were purchased as gifts? I don't think that would be just a coincidence. Maybe in some rare cases, it works out to get a pup then (people being on vacation and what not) But I think more often, even if people are off work-it is generally NOT a good time. They may be off work, but they are also out shopping, visiting family, having visitors. Not exactly a normal, routine schedule.
By the way, Juno-I have a question for you. What 2 colors of labs shouldn't be bred together? I remember reading somewhere that this mix could result in pups with an off-colored nose, or something like that, but darned if I can remember what combination it is!
rrrighttttt Juno. Reputable breeders don't need to consider the "market" when they breed. They breed for themselves and what puppies they have to sell as pets are sold easily no matter what time of year it may be.
Glad somebody posted the BYB big ole book of excuses.
Here I go wading in through all the bull.... Juno, I'm not going to address your POSTS because they are stupid words on a forum.
Can I just say that for those of you looking for a pure breed dog and want to rescue......January is a good time to do it. And if you are looking for a lab.....Southern California is a good place to look.
***Edited By: pwcorgilover on 11/21/2006 2:02:15 PM*** Reason: *
I fail to see the relevance of these poems. What does an irresponsible dog owner has to do with Christmas. A bad owner is a bad owner regardless of when the dog was purchased. Do you have a poem like this for every major holiday when people tend to buy more dogs? Labor Day weekend is a good one that usually ends the summer drought for me. Thanksgiving is another good one, an appetizer for Christmas. There are few more times that there is a spike of interested people. Got any problems with those times too?
I can understand and agree for the most part with not giving a dog as a gift. But I don’t see a problem with a responsible owner getting a dog for the whole family under the guise of a gift for Christmas.
I have a litter ready for Christmas once in awhile, and I treat it as any other day. Because of the increased interest. You just have to make extra sure that this is not an impulse buy and that the buyers are ready and know what they are getting in to. Not much different then the normal screening process. If I could sync up my dogs heat to have pups for Christmas, I would do it in a heart beat. It is much easier to find good homes for the dogs when many people are looking for one. During this time there is a much bigger selection of potential buyers to choose from so you can afford to be picky. Just need to make sure you filter out the bad buyers from the good ones.
here is something that I think would benefit people that are considering a pet during christmas.foster a dog, if you are sincere about taking on the responsibility of a dog,cat or whatever.. there are places in all states that have this.(I'm sure you know of one in your area) it gives the person a chance to deal with feeding,walking,medicines(if needed) and so on.having a dog is a big responsibility alot of people don't understand this until it's to late.everyone has the right to have their own opinion but, if you do your research you will see one of the top ten reasons a dog goes into the shelters are because they didn't realize the cost of taking care of a pet.so I say foster one,get the feel for how your life will change and if that works out great!!! I will stand and say proudly I will bash about the irresponsible owners who get a dog during christmas then take them to a shelter.JUNO,simple math is your answer??ever heard of out with the old in with the new?? either you agree or disagree with the post. we just want to make people aware.
juno- I have absolutely no problem selling my pups in the summer. I never even knew until now that summer months were undesireable months for breeders.
Another thing, I use to work for the SPCA years ago and labs and lab mixes were the predominant breed there. I think maybe due to the first two years of a labs life where they can be quite destructive and people come home and half the kitchen wall is gone or the deck is missing, these owners who were not well informed and prepared end up taking them to the shelter. You do have a breed that is quite often turned in or found as a "stray". I hope you choose the homes wisely.
Yes I have sold a puppy near christmas time. Not everybody has a large extended family and big occasions in their home or one to attend. The ones I have sold to have been on my waiting list and it just so happens to be near christmas when the pup is ready. And if they did have something to do, I would be more than happy to keep it until afterwards, which I have done. As far as pups being bought as gifts throughout the year, I say bring the person whom it is being bought for with you and I will need the application info in their name. Surprise gift? NO way.
I supposed it depend on the breed, the area you live in and the availability and demand for your breed. from my experience and many other breeders i know, summer is the worst time of the year to sell pups. Not as many people are looking for dogs during that time. the end of summer is a pretty good time though.
the main reason there are more labs in shelters compare to other breeds is because of their numbers. there are 3x more labs registers then the second most popular breed. again, a simple math. so in theory, logic dictate that there should be almost 3x more labs in the shelters then goldens which comes in second. or over 4x more lab then poodles, or close to 5x as many as shih tsus, or 12x as many as Dobermans, or 27x as many as collies or... well you get the picture. You do not see these numbers in real life though because labs are the greatest family dogs ever created by man or god.
The reason goodbreeders dont complain about slow sale seasons is because it doesnt matter. They have homes lined up, sometimes 2 year waiting lists, for thier puppies, usually no more than ONE litter a year. These are people that have waited for their pup for months not mear days as in your case, it doesnt matter what time of year it is, they still have a home to go to, BEFORE being produced.
But dont forget to jump for joy with your blood money and have a "very marry christmas".