im telling ya this little girl isnt catching on- i take her out side every hour or so- she will go potty sometimes and even if she did she will come in with in minutes and pee again right in front of me- she doenst hide and never has she will just pop a squat and go right there-
no she isnt crated but she is at night in her play pen bed where she sleeps every night and she doesnt pee in her bed ever-
but i do only put her in this at night for bed-
so i know she knows how to hold it threw the night why isnt she doing so durning the day?
daisy is 4 months old-
I take her out side with bentley ( which is house trained) and she will go out and go potty and think all is fine for a hour at least and she will pee again with in minutes of coming in somet imes of coarse longer
daisy does drink alot of water- way more then bentley ever has- now shes drinking from the xmas tree water ( i dont have anything in there but water so it isnt harmful) i can pick up her water bowl after 8 but she still has the xmas tree water- but like i said she drinks so much water- her pee doesnt even look or smell like pee its clear- you wouldnt even know she peed on the floor unless you seen her do it because it has no color- bentleys pee is yellow .
when i see her peeing i do pick her up and take her out side and yes i priase the heck out of her and give her treats that she loves- i think tho when i say gotta go potty and she gets all excited she just thinks shes getting treats.lol
this method worked wonders for bentley which now when he pees he comes running for a treat- and ive caught him pretending to pee just to get a treat.. smart little thing but i do give ihm one just because at least he knows what he has to do to get one-
but poor daisy looks forward to these treats and some times doesnt go potty so she doesnt get any- breaks my heart tho- but ive gotta stick to only giving treats when she goes potty.
i also do have a potty pad in the house in case she wants to go there and i do take her to that pad all day long- but still she will just sit there.
confusing her? i dont think it could since she doenst go on the pad- its just a rug to her..lol
ive read alot of posts and responses about keeping a leash on them so they are with you 24/7 and this wouldnt work because she is with me and she doesnt pee anywhere else but right in front of me on the carpet not in the kitchen or dinning room only on the carpet. she isnt hiding at all-
what do i say or do? i tell her no bad girl- pick her up mid pee and take her out side but she never finishes or even pees no matter how long i stay out there with her and yes i have always walked them both around the yard so tey will go- they wont even leave the porch if i dont get out there with them.
any ideas? she must think this is ok but why? i dont spank her and i dont rub her nose in it- i say no and why daisy? i didnt go threw this with bentley as i am with daisy- i dnt know if it matters but daisy is a mix of maltese and bichon frise.
im pretty sure no iti- shes always peed alot and vet didnt think so when she was just in the vets office-
oh and the other night i put her up on my bed with us and she peed on the bed- just after she was taken out to go potty- and she acts like its no big deal-
please help- any books i could be reading? seems odd that bentley is only a year old but seems like forever since i delt with this but bentley was potty pad trained first and did ok- and now as i said hes going out side and does a super job-
should i stick with the pads? and go from there in the spring? i have no idea what im doing wrong- but the past 3 days tho shes pooped out side and not once in the house so thats a starter- but the pee is the issue-
theresa

Theresa, you have my sympathies.

Sophie is also a maltese/bichon mix, but 6 months old.

She has done all the same things. You think they are catching on and then they wet . . .

Don't give up on her. . .I think they will get it eventually. The key, I think, is not to give them too much freedom. Sophie goes nuts in a crate. We keep her in the laundry room and when she has an accident, we say no, take her outside, then I put her in the laundry room for awhile. Then she knows she's done something wrong. Sorry, but I do spank her butt (Not hard, just to let her know she's done something wrong) and she absolutely knows what she did was wrong.

After we leave her in the laundry room for awhile, I immediately take her outside, and if she pees I give her a treat and she has some house time. If she doesn't, then back in the laundry room she goes for a little longer, then I let her out to pee, if she goes she gets house time.

Their bladders are little and they will mature sooner than we think. Sophie also peed in our bed; something about our scent there. . . she is marking her territory I think.

Here she is. . .do you have pictures of Daisy?

http://files.dogster.com/pix/dogs/08/437708/437708_1165722795.jpg

Ditch the potty pads. If she's not going they arent' helping, and given the issues you're having, they have more potential to confuse and do more harm than good.

Again, this is reflecting on her bringing up from the disreputable breeder you got her from. She's learned from birth that it's ok to soil her den by living in a tiny crate and she's having a hard time learning that the den extends to the house.

How old is Daisy now?

If you take her outside and she doesn't go, then you're not keeping her outside long enough. I know you say "She wont go no matter how long I stay out with her" but... seriously you're not staying outside with her long enough. ANd it's harder on you I know because it's cold outside. Just take advantage of the warmer weather whenever you can. Keep Daisy on a leash and walk her around constantly when she is outside to encourage her to go potty, do not let her off the leash to 'play' with bentley until after she's gone potty. If Bentley is initiating the play when she's on the leash you may need to leave him inside :P

If staying outside isn't an option, when you bring her in and she hasn't gone.. put her lil butt in a crate, or the exercise pen, if she's not going potty in there. Leave her in there for thirty minutes or an hour, then take her outside again. Idea is, you don't give her freedom in the house at all until AFTER she goes potty outside and gets the treat.

Do you feel that she understands she is making the wrong decision when she chooses to go potty in the house? Does she stop when you say "No" or continue blissfully unaware and uncaring? (I hope youre not letting her on the bed anymore at the very least).

If she's not learning that peeing inside is not a good thing, you may need to be a little more firm in your interruptions. A scruff neck shake correction is the method we used during the process of picking them up and taking them outside, the dogs instinctively know this is a sign they're doing something wrong.

When she does go potty (since she'll be on the leash) praise her and give her the treat *immediately* after she goes potty. Like... when she's still dripping urine out. If you wait even 5 seconds she may not know what she's being rewarded for.

Regarding the amount she drinks.. I know that you've had a boat load of health problems with Daisy but excessive water drinking and urination can be a sign of diabetes.

***Edited By: Minniyar on 12/16/2006 12:22:40 PM***
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I would crate train, is there a reason you dont want to use a crate? I would also get rid of potty pads, I think they confuse a pup. lalamom, spanking your dog will only make him fear you.

As an addition, if you know your'e doing wrong by not crating... Why o why aren't you crating? It makes things SOOOO much easier, do you not want Daisy to be housetrained ASAP or what?

The problem I've had with crating Sophie is. . .she goes ballistic in the crate. . . absolutely hysterical

Our laundry room works better for us.

Daisy is now 4 months old- I do take her and bentley out side as i stated very often- when she hasnt peed on the floor then yes she will go potty out side and i do give her a treat and praise the heck out to let her know shes done good-
No when i catch her peeing and i said daisy mae and no ! and she doesnt even flinch she keeps on going-
like she has no idea she is doing anything wrong-
Its when i catch her peeing and take her out to finish she doenst finish but then she could of done her deed and doesnt have to pee anymore- I do stay out side with them for at least 15 min each time never less then that unless they do go potty right away- but i will walk them both aruond the yard back and forth and keep them moving and running to get her to go-
sometimes it works others it dont.
When i first got daisy she was crated, she loved her crate and slept in there and she would come out for short time but go back in- never peed in there- never even once.
then with in a week she didnt want to go in there anymore and i did still put her in but she would cry and with all the sickness problems shes had i just didnt have the heart to keep her in if she didnt want to be.
She had such bad diarhea that i could keep a better eye on her when she was out of the crate anyways, it was a very horrible time for both of us.
And she does sleep in a doggie play pen ( the ones that look like a real baby play pen i got at petsmart for 125.00) and she has slept in there ever since i got her . at bed time i take her out to go potty even if shes already peed on the floor- then put in her in her bed and she goes right to bed. she does wake me up every morning around 6 am to go pottty which i do take her right out side still half sleeping because i know as soon as i set her down even to get my boots on shes already peed so i hold on to her and put my slippers on and we go out and she pees and poops and were back in with in minutes in the morning. (bentley sleeps later then she does so its just her in the mornings)
but she doesnt pee in her bed at night so she must know that peeing where she sleeps isnt right-
I will again try the xpen and put her in there and then take her back out if she doesnt go when i take her out and also i was thinking i dont praise her while she is going i use to do that and she would get excieted and stop peeing to run over to get a treat- so i kinda wait till shes done and give her a treat even tho i walk over to her and pet her and go crazy with praise and she loves her treat she gets when she does go potty-

isnt this play pen she sleeps in would be considered crating her at night? she doesnt roam the house and is kept in this play pen? its just bigger then a crate and is all padded meshy walls but i put a big towel over the side so she cant see out at us and want to play with bentley ( bentley has always slept with us at night.
And no daisy has not been allowed back in our bed since she peed.


I will have hubby help me get some pic of daisy on dogster we just got a new digital camera like 2 days ago and i dont even know how to work it-lol
daisy has longer hair then your pup does- your pup is so cute- i think my daisy is pretty cute to..lol
but i will get on him to help me post pic - every one has been wanting to see daisy - every one helping me when she was so sick i didnt think she was going to make it for weeks-
shes going great!
besides this morning shes been puking like 8 times and i did call the vet and seh told me to give her pepto and rice and chicken- i dont know what she got into but the werid thing is that bentley was also sick this morning but only once and then hes been fine- daisy has been laying around and eating alittle bit but not herself-
the only thing that has changed is me and hubby got them this bone thingie from petsmart last night it was like a ankle or a elbow of someting- and daisy did eat hers into peices and was macking on it till bedtime- she was fine when she got up this morning and played and ate and everything and it was about 1 she just started puking , it went from food, and kept getting snotter and snotter where it was like a stringie snot she was throwing up- she has since stoped throwing up its been 3 hours now but still not back to herself-

so her being thirsty all the time could be something else? poor thing- i will contac the vet monday and see what he thinks about her drinking so much daily- she drinks more in a day then i think bentley drinks in a week nad thats no lie- this girl loves to drink- so this is why i assume she pees so mcuh and as i said before her pee is water is has no color and no pee smell- she drinks so much it flushes it clear i guess.

thank you for your advice believe me somethings gotta change-

how much does your maltese /bichon frise weigh? i know yours is 2 months older but daisy is a chunky little thing- she weighs close to 6 pounds and is 4 months-
big girl..lol
its nice to find some one that has the same dog as i do i havnet came across anyone yet that has had this mix.
my other dog bentley is a bichon frise and toy poodle mix and he just turned a year old and weighs almost 7 pounds hes very small compaired to daisy but daisy is all hair she has so much hair- long hair.
cant wait to hear from you. theresa

I have heard from several people, including the rescue, that Bischon's are hard to house break. I raise Chihuahua's and I know how hard little ones are. My dogs like the outside, love the snow, but hate the rain. It could be 100 degress outside, but let one drop of rain hit the ground and you have to pick them up and put them out. Then they won't leave the steps. They stay huddled under the eave and won't potty. So they are trained to a puppy pad for those rainy days. Otherwise they go outside. It takes consistenance and patience. It is hard to be patient sometimes, I know. But just keep taking her out has often as possible. There is also the possiblity of a bladder infection. You may want to discuss that with your vet. It is very rare for dogs to have diabeties, but it does happen, since she is also drinking a lot of water, I would have her checked for that. I had a Dalmatian that was drinking alot and peeing alot. We checked her sugar and she was ok.
Then they checked for a bladder infection and it was positive. She was fine after some antibiotics.
Could you try emailing a Bischon rescue and see if they have any suggestions. They are usually willing to help and, of course, no more about the breed.

Hi Theresa,

That is terrible that your Daisy is so sick. Sophie has been a healthy little thing. But I bought her from a couple who had the parents, who weren't big breeders; they kept the dogs in the house and really babied them. She was never in a crate or outside. They really loved all the dogs and that's why I chose Sophie.

I think the problem with our little ones is: they love to be with us so much. Whenever she sees me she gets so excited and if its been awhile she wets on the floor. She weighed 6 lbs when I got her and now she weighs a bit more.

My husband is terribly frustrated as our last dog was a schnauzer and really smart & easy to train.

I'm going to try the shaking by the scruff technique - this is how the mother dogs discipline so it makes sense. The trick is not to shake too hard!

I know Sophie is learning but they have to have limited access to the house til they are trained.

Check out Sophies Dogster page at:

http://www.dogster.com/pet_page.php?j=t&i=437708

She has a group of dogs that are maltese/bichon mixes.

tj,

i have no clue as to anything on a bichon frise , but i do

maltese rescue, (lately i am an anything living rescue)

i just want to share a site with you to read in regrads to

the maltese part of your lil darling!!!



http://malteseonly.com/hbreak.html" target="_blank">http://malteseonly.com/hbreak.html


http://malteseonly.com

good luck hun!!!

stella

forgot to tell ya: maltese are pron to liver shunts

http://malteseonly.com/shunt.html

***Edited By: winnies_mom on 12/16/2006 6:30:47 PM***
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i don't know but that water drinking sounds very possibly like a health problem. definitely diabetes mellitus for one. a few years ago therre was someone on here who had a dog that drank tons and i think it turned out to be a liver shunt problem. therre's also another one called diabetes insipidus that is not related at all to blood sugar that causes excessive water drinking.
or maybe she just likes it.
definitely see a vet about it. it they're not concerned get a second opinion.

Well have you taken her to the vets to see if she has a bladder infection.

I had a corgi puppy that would do the same thing. She wouldn't go in her crate, but almost the minute or 5 minutes after coming in the house she would pee.

I would even leave her out for an hour some times two and she would still pee soon after coming in.

If it is a bladder infection or uniary infection. Then they are going to go right in front of you and not care. They want you to know they are doing it.

They can't tell us want is wrong with them so they show us.

I had a cat that would do that when she got a tract infection she would walk out right in front of you look right at you to make sure you were watching and then would pee.

It might not be her problem it could just be that she doesn't care, but I would get the medical reason out of the way first.

Good luck. Some dogs and breeds can be stuborn about potty training.

I will talk with my vet again about this. I did tell him about this when we were in a week ago and he didnt seem all to concerned and never tested her for anything. so i thought she just likes to drink tons of water- she drinks in a day what bentley drinks in a week it seems- its werid. but maybe it could be a iti i will call vet and ask him if we could test her. dont i hve to get some her pee and they test her pee?
i sure hope it isnt anything major- my poor little girl.

but it does seem like sometihng has to be going on- i dont know why she pees so much and like i said its like water no yellow to it at all- but to pee right in front of me- and she will go outside and come back in and with in 5 minutes she goes again on the floor. just seems she inst getting the hang of it but if there is something wrong as a iti then maybe this is her problem and i need to take care of this and then go from there.

why wouldnt the vet think to test her for anything when i told him this when i was in a week ago?
he didnt think anything about it/
werid...
i will keep you informed-

Not sure why he wouldn't, but vets are just like doctors.

When you know something is wrong with your child, but the doctor just wants to write it off as nothing.

Sometimes you have to make the suggestions on test and things.

I read were you had other problems with her as well. Has your vet done a blood panel on her or at least a pre-sugical one?

Seems kind of odd for a small breed of dog to drink so much water. At least to me. I know my corgi's hard drink any water, but the Brittanys go though it like crazy. They are also a lot more active then the corgi's.

I would start with the UTI first though.

Good luck.

Carry the dog into the house and crate train over. Your kind of giveing me hints about why shes peeing right inside the door. It could be the scent as she comes in, maybe lose the carpet, or take a different way inside. I f the pup pees on the way in, don't reward the animal by picking it up???
And you said the puppy has been sick so I'm assumeing the puppy has gotten some extra attention lately because of this, she may be missing that.
I would pee to if I was rewarded.
The puppy isn't going to think peeing on the carpet on the way in, is a bad thing, shes just peeing, how we respond to what they do will make them behave the way that gets them attention.
All it could take is one time, she has an accident and you rush the dog into your arms and outside.
There should be no space or room for an accident, so carry her in for a few weeks, recrate /house train, reward big time for pees outside, leave a leash on, and when she finally pees fuss her up, take off the lead and play a little.
Then carry her inside and confine her to a small area, a small pen is cool because you can move it around the house, so she can be with you still.
At 4 months, she should be able to hold it for 5 hours, unless shes never had to wait any significant amount of time to pee on a regular basis, thats the whole point of house training, its conditioning the bladder to get used to holding urine.
So start working on that slowly, start with one hour, then 2 then 3 and so on till 4 or 5 hours.
If the urine hasn't been checked for infection, do it.
Your response to what she does is the most important, if you mess up and don't confine her, and she pees somewhere, then you messed up, don't touch the dog, and don't talk to her, but do fuss her up when she goes where you want her to. She should be able to see the difference in your responses to her actions. OK



***Edited By: sue on 12/18/2006 8:22:28 AM***
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That's why i suggested the attention be more negative in nature when she pees inside. Picking up? Not always bad. Scruff shake? Bad bad.

Yes daisy was pretty sick when i got her. she had a horrible case of coccida that wasnt getting any better and took over a month to get rid of it and she was malnurished and also had what the vet thought was a eye infection at the time. so yes when i got her i did let her get away with peeing on the floor she had diarhea so bad that she couldnt help it and just would go where ever- it was just water and no warning it just would happen- beleive me i tried to put her on the pads and would bring her to the pads but i wasnt forcing the issue because she was so sick.so thats what i kinda thought that maybe she thinks its ok because i let her get away with it in the beginning but thats been over a month ago.
she will just pee and i say daisy and she doesnt even stop or anything la la la la she doesnt have a care in the world..lol
so i think when i pick her up and take her out to finish she is already gone and doesnt have to go anymore is why i can wait 25 minutes out side with her and she wont finsh.
she pees so little that its only maybe 2 table spoons . but in the morning she does pee laitlte bit more becaues shes held it all night. which is anther thing how come she can and will hold her pee till morning? she has never peed in her bed. and she goes to bed about 10:30 and drinks water right up till the time i put her to bed and she gets me up every morning at 6. so she holds it all night= why doesnt she even try durning the day? i dont put her in her play pen but only to sleep. i put her in there and she never fights to get out she lays right down and sleeps. should i use this more then just to sleep in? like use this play pen as a crate?
but thats what it is a play pen looks like a real babys play pen.
she knows not to pee in there? whys that? she never ever has peed in her bed mine yes hers no...

i know with her sickness setting her back it seems i know its gong to take more time- but i need to get on track and find out what i coud do differntly to have her catch on-

i did bring out her crate tho yesterday and i put her in it to go to town ( took her to petsmart to have them put a bow in her hair i just couldnt get it to look good) and i put her in there when its just me and her and she didnt whine to get out she sat there in the front seat and layed down and was very good.
so i do have the crate sitting out in the living room which maybe i will leave out and see if she will go in there- but again i dont want to force her if she doesnt want to go-
beleive me my kids walk all over me to...lol
just dont know why she doesnt hold it during the day- why she thinks peeing on the carpet is ok? should i tap her on the butt and say no? but then wont she start hiding to pee? instead of peeing right in front of me?

also no daisy has never had any blood work done- i wish she would of when all this was going on with her to make sure it wasnt somtihng else and that everything else is fine with her- now with all these problems ppl have posted im concerned and do need to have my vet look into this alitle more-
also when they want you to bring in a pee sample how do you get your dog to pee in a cup? i remmeber with bentley when i thought he had a iti they wanted a pee sample and he wouldnt go for me so they tried putting his feet in a bowl of water and he wouldnt go- so how am i to get some pee to take in?
theresa

Well it is always better if you can get a clean sample from the dog well they are actully going, but

You can use something like a sying or (can't think of what they are called) if you have kids though you should have one. The big like eye dropper things you get when you have to give your kids liquid meds when their young.

That is if she doesn't go on the rug. You need her to go on the lunalum (sp) like in the kitchen.

They might just be able to keep her for the day and get a sample. Sometimes if they can't get the dog to go they will just put a syinge in to the bladder and take a sample. They usually don't like to do that though, but they will if they have to.

Good luck with her.

when i had to get one from pearl i let her drink and kept her crated for awhile the took her out on a leash with a tupperware lid washed out rreal good, when she started to go i stuck it under her. they can't stop once they start, at least she can't; i got enough, put it in a clean jar and threw the lid away.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT WORKED FOR US? TAKE YOUR GOD THE SAME WAY RIGHT TO WHERE YOU WANT THEM TO GO. WE FOLD OUR ARMS AND DO NOT PAY ATTENTION TO HER UNTIL SHE IS DONE. IF SHE DOES NOT GO AND WE KNOW SHE IS GOING TO HAVE TO. WE PUT HER IN A CRATE, EVERYTIME SHE DOES NOT COMPLY. WITHOUT SAYING A WORD. WE NEVER YELL AT HER FOR NOT GOING 'DUTY'. IF SHE CRIES WE GET BACK UP AND TAKE HER THE EXACT SAME WAY TO THE SAME SPOT AND IGNORE HER UNTIL SHE GOES, IF SHE DOES NOT WE WALK HER ON A SHORT LEASH BACK TO THE HOUSE AND PLACE HER RIGHT IN THE KENNEL. ONCE SHE POOPS WE GIVE HER A TREAT AND PRAISE HER ALL THE WAY INTO THE HOUSE! IT TOOK HER A FEW WEEKS TO FIGURE IT OUT. BUT SHE DID! AND IF WE GO OUT AT ALL SHE GOES IN THE KENNEL OR OF ITS A LONG PERIOD OF TIME (6-8 HRS) THEN WE PLACE HER IN THE BATHROOM REMOVING CARPETS INCASE SHE GOES! BEST OF LUCK!!! I GOTTA TAKE MY BABY OUT!!