775.00 is the check i receieved from the amish puppy mill- and my husband thought i was wasting my time writting these ppl a letter and asking for the cost of the puppy back which was 375.00 and they know from my phone calls when she was very sick how upset i was and how worried we were and i just told them that i think it would be fair of them if they would pay the 375 and i would pay the 400+ in the vet bills just to get her to this point ive only had her 2 month- oh and i did tell them that i would take them to small claims court if i had to. guess that worked out i dont think i would of but i read a post on here that said to say that and most times it works..
the amish lady sent me a letter telling me how sorry she was that the puppy has caused me so much greif and she didnt know that the puppy was so sick when i bought her and she didnt thnk her eye would be a issue ( so she knew something was wrong with her eye) and she wnated to pay me the cost for the puppy and also the medical bills i have paid- and wanted to know if this would make me happy and i would settle with the 775.00 and send them a letter saying so. and also this is werid but told me to call this vets office in our area ( i cant name the vets office im sure) and told me to contact this vet that he is also treating anther one of these puppys from the same liter- So i did call and the vet was out and i dont really know what im suppose to say but to exsplain what happend to me and the lady names i got her from nad what breed she is so maybe he will know which pup im talking about and maybe he can tell me if something is really wrong wtih that other pup or why is she directiing me to this vet? it isnt in her area this lady is down state and this vet is down the road from me- so im assuming the person that got this pup also is going threw what i am and probably had to pay htem back also i hope the vet doesnt tlel me somethng is really wrong with these pups- should i cash the checck and say yes this is fine- more then i ever thought i would get but it is what i have paid for the pup and the vet bills which i will send her all the vet bills which im getting toegether now and statements from btoh vets ive taken her to. should i wait and talk to this vet first? what if i say yet this is fine- and cahs the check but then come to find out these pups have some life threatening sickness and need mroe medical attention? my mom said take the money and run and be happy you at least got that - being a puppy mill i didnt think i would get anything back from them at all- i only asked for 375.00 and got 775.00 i about fell out of my chair- it came certified just as i sent the letter to them- i think they thought i would go to court and drag their name threw the mud- and they are trying to make it right and wants me to drop it which i will- so everythihng ive paid for vet bills and her meds and the cost of daisy all have been refunded- the bottle of the check says puppy refund and medical exspenses reimburesed. what do you all think? even if something turned out to be really worng with daisy they wouldnt have to pay anyways - i read so many posts on here and i thnk one directed at me that i would never get any money back for any of the vet bills or anytihng- but these ppl must have a heart and knew how upset ive been over this poor pup.
i know i thought wow this is alot of money for some one just to send-but i thought its them selling 2 puppys basically-
oh trust me i know they did this to shut me up- im happy to get my money back but i surly wont stop telling ppl about how bad these ppl are. and not to buy from them ever- i would never in my life buy anther pup from any one other then a real breeder and also if we ever do get anther dog it will be pure bred and i will check into the breeder.
i do love my babies even tho they are mutts- i hate calling them that it maks me feel like they are less then perfect or less then other dogs and they arent- but i dont call them by their fluffy litlte designer breed names i tell them they are mixed and tell them with what. yes i know these ppl are still selling many many dogs all these dogs they were breeding to make designer dogs it still breaks my heart and my daughtes heart she still talks about it.
but hey at least i got my puppy for free now- and got all the vet bills paid for. im happy- now if with the luck of the lord she stays healthy and nothing pops up i will be very happy girl..
I seriously doubt that the vet will discuss another patients pets with you, That would be considered a breach of confidentiality. Of course, he or she could contact the other person with the litter mate to yours and ask them if they can release information to you, but I can't see it happening.
Your poor dog has gone through so many trials and tribulations and you have learned from it. You have learned not to buy a dog from puppy millers that mass produce less than quality puppies.
BTW, is your pup on regular dog food yet or are you still feeding rice and chicken? Just curious, how long does the vet recommend this bland diet?
yes daisy is still on rice and chicken mixed with low residue dog food. weve tried weaning her off the rice and she gets the runs so weve just kept her on it and im not sure how much longer.
ive been only putting maybe a table spoon worth in her dog food so ive really cut it down. and shes really started liking the wellness hard food with the sweet potato and what ever else i forgot which i know is good for her so im happy she likes it . its anther one of bentleys bags of food he didnt like..
yes i understand about the deal with the vet- thats why i dont know why this so called breeder/puppy miller wanted me to contact this vet because hes also treating anther one of these pups from the same liter- maybe he is contacting the owner and then he will contact me if some one was to contact me about daisy i surly would give info if it could help in anyway so i hope this person also feels the same.
I would make sure the check goes through beore you say or do anything, once the money is in the account then you can decide what to do. I hope you have learned about BYB's and puppy mills and next time will consider a rescue dog.
i would hope that they wouldnt send me a bad check- why would they even send one if they were going to not honor it? they didnt have to send one at all- then i just have more proof that from this note and check that they admit they sold me a sick pup and were willing to pay for the pup and the vet bills so i guess i can take that to court- the check said refund for puppy and vet exspenses on the bottom memo part. i dont think they would do that- i think if the would of not did anything even responded to my letter if they were going to be dirty about it-
well see tho...
for those of you know dont know the situation on how i got my pup- i didnt know it was a puppy mill. a few ppl i know had told me about this liter they heard about they knew i was looking. i had called the lady and talked to her about the puppies adn she was very nice and friendly and told me it was a accidental liter- i told her i was intrested and if she would hold one for me that i wanted one- she siad if i sent a deposit so i over nighted a depoist for her to hold a female for me- this lady lived down state so we couldnt go till the weekend to pick her up. we get there and we see that they are a amish family - no biggie but werid i thought. we go up to the porch/front door and they had the puppies in this plastic box tote thingie there were 3 puppies in there 2 female and 1 male. my hubby picked out the one he wanted we agreed he would pick out the pup. so im holding the pup and were talking and we pay for the rest of the pup total 375.00 and then hubby asks to see the parents which he takes us out back and shows us both parents, nice looking dogs they were all clean looking ect , but then we can see in this barn area that he has all these kennels full of dogs many differnt breeds and many many dogs at this time i knew their story wasnt on but i alreay have been holding this pup for 20 min and i could tell she had a cold in her eye and i just wanted to take her home to get her well. i couldnt put her down and leave her there she was cuddled in my arms and never tried to get away and like she was almost thanking me for giving her a home. ive never seen a puppy mill before and i didnt knwo what to exspect it would look like but now im my mind im pretty sure that was a mill- and those puppys never got out of that cage they were in only because they knew what time we would be there to get our pup- so they had them up front. they were clean pups not smelly and no tear stains which i thought was odd, being all white i figured she would of had tear stains. ( our other pup did he had very bad tear stains when we got him at 7 weeks old) and i took daisy to the vet the next day i coudl tell she wanst feeling well she had diarhea so bad and i wanted to make sure she was healthy- and the vet told me she had coccida and was malnurished and at the time thought she had a eye infection but just a week ago and seeing a differnt vet found out she has a rolled under eye lid . but it took a month and many trips to the vet every week to get rid of this coccida, it got so bad i didnt think she would make it, they would give her iv for fluids and she was on so many diffent meds for the first month i had her. we just got her the 29th of october so it hasnt been very long at all. i did call the amish puppy mill we got her from and told them how sick she was she was 12 weeks old when we got her and she weighed 2 pounds with in the first week i had her she just about doubled her weight and now is a healthy 6.5 pound chubby healthy little girl. we finially got rid of the coccida it took over a month and i even switched vets because i felt the vet i was going to really wanst helping daisy.
so at the time i didnt know she was a puppy mill pup and the person that told me about these pups didnt know either and if my hubby never wuold of asked to see the parents we would of never know we would of thought that the story she told us was true i never called her out on the story but i assumed seeing all those dogs that it wasnt a accidental liter. and they claimed they never had this kind of liter before so they thought they wernet active pups- instead they were very sick and they didnt know it or tell us that they had coccida and tried to treat it and never mentioned that untill i called them and told them again about how she was going and he then told me about the coccida.
so yes i do know more about puppy mills and the things that are said about the pups and how sick they are and i know this to be true from what i delt wtih daisy it was horrible- but i love her and will continue to take care of her and if things do pop up down the road i will pay for that to like i have with all her other vet bills. i never thought that they would refund all my money ive paid - yes i know they wnat me to shut up and leave them alone- but im happy i got my money back and i will tell her that yes i think this is fair and i wont open a small claims case- of coarse not untill the check clears first.
i jsut cant see them doing that but i never thougth they were a puppy mill either tho- and her sending me the letter that i could use in court against her she came right out and said she was sorry for selling us a sick puppy and didnt know she was sick. and then giving me info to some one elses pup that came from this liter, which i will call the vet tomororw and ask if they can contact the person that has this other pup and have them give her my numbre and she can call me- why would this breeder well puppy mill lady give me all this info if she wasnt going to honor this check? but nwo you all have me worried about that. maybe i will call tihs lady tomorow and talk to her and tell her my concerns and then go from there.
Depending on the state... there is such a thing is lemon laws for puppies. Though I'm not sure on the specifics.
And no one was saying you had to buy a purebred... just next time do a bit more research on whoever you plan on getting a doggie from.
And make sure you make copies of everything you are sending back to the lady. Give the check about 3-5 business days to clear. I'd also put something on the letter you send.... that might be able to cover your butt in the future.
Tappety, I believe you have learned a lot from the things you have been through, but I can't help but wonder if you really and truly get it, or if you would do the same exact thing you've done the first two times trying your luck with yet another puppy/different "breeder".
Sometimes the way you talk, I feel like you have learned an invaluable lesson, then others it seems like since the sting has worn off, your wording and beliefs on the subject change. I worry what will happen a year or two+ down the road when this is a distant memory.
Also, I find the "free puppy" comment a bit disgusting. You should have never paid what you did for her in the first place and that statement sounds like you are quite happy with your pocket book at the expense of your puppy's health.
I just wanted to say that no one has mentioned the idea that the vet may have done well with the other pup and could have some useful tips for your little pup. It doesn't always have to be bad maybe the vet did alot of research and has cured the other pup. Just a thought, but worth checking out. Please call the vet explain that the two pups may be sick from the same thing and see if they have any suggestions. You could end up with all your money back and a healthy pup. Try to be positive. I know it's hard but it will help the pup too. They know when we are worried sick over them.
pope how did i know you should stop by to crap on my post? i figured it would be any day now i would get blessed with your rude comments-
you dont know me so how do you know what i would do again? and oh you can tell from my wording of my posts that you think i would do this all over again - and then saying i got a free pup- yes i said i got a free pup as in they didnt make any money of sellling me a sick pup i went after them and got my money back and kept my pup i wuoldnt give my dog back to them even if they offered me 1,000. and if they said well its the pup or the money of coarse i would keep my dog and tell them to keep their money- it was a long shot in writting the letter telling them i think it would be fair if they gave me back the 375 which i paid for daisy. i didnt even ask for the vet bills i know its my fault for buying her but i did and i was willing and i have been paying for every vet bill i have. i have called these ppl and they knew how sick she was and the only thing they ever offerd was that i cuold bring the pup back well that wasnt going to happen im sure they would of just killed her because they couldnt sell a sick pup again to someone knowing how sick she is/was.. so i left it at that for weeks. yes i have learned my lesson and i do think about the choices i make every day but i didnt know daisy was from a puppy mill when i went to get her and even paid for her it wasnt untill we were leaving after 20-30 min of holding her and her snuggling in my arms that i relized what this place was and i wasnt and i couldnt say i want my money abck and leave that pup there- maybe you could of but i couldnt do it- all the way home i was discusted but what i had seen- but my family was happy we got daisy out of there and would give her a good home. so dont throw stones when you dont even know me- and im so tired of feeling i have to defend my self from you every time i post something- you dont even know the half of what i delt with daisy and still will be dealing with im sure for years to come- but i wouldnt trade her for anything it isnt her fault and im not going to feel bad or sorry that i picked this poor pup and wanted to give her a good home- which i am doing by the way. you claim to know so much about alot of ppl on here and run many off that you dont care to know- all because of thier choice of dogs- so this would be all hunky dory if i got my dogs at a shelter? what if we dont have pups in our shelters? i have a home and we are willing to love these 2 dogs we have - yes it was hell with daisy for the first month or so but were all in a good place now and im happy about that. and then to get my money back plus the vet bills hell yes im happy- did i exspect it? hell no! but they knew what i went threw with daisy and me calling them crying whne i thought she was going to die- and their letter they even say they are sorry for the grief they have caused me- they say they didnt know they were sick but they did he admitted it in our last phone conversation- im sorry you dont believe me or what ever but im not here to please you or hope that you believe my story or if you even care to read my posts ( which i always hoped you would just leave me alone) from my exsperience its the ppl that point fingers are the ones that have the most to hide. they just arent the idoits like most here when we post the truth and it turns around and bites us in the butt because everyone just throws it in your face. i am who i am and i do care about my dogs and really thats all that matters. dont you think?
Tappety, Wow - so sorry to hear about all that you've been through. But I'm glad to hear that Daisy is doing better. I would go ahead and deposit the check and once it has cleared write something to the effect of:
"Thank you for your willingness to reimburse me for the price of Daisy and all of her medical expenses to date. This experience has taught me a lot about purchasing puppies and what questions to ask of the breeders. I'm surprised that the vet that you took Daisy and her littermates to didn't find that she had coccidia and that her eyelid was rolled under."
It's possible that she has the best intentions and would like for the vet to make her aware of any other problems that the pup might have. It's also possible that she reimbursed the other person for their medical expenses and theirs were cheaper - perhaps she's trying to save you $ in the long run. Or... perhaps she knows that this doctor is particularly good and might be able to help your dog.
In the long run - you have to do what you feel is best. I would certainly call the doctor (if for no other reason than to let it get back to the BYB that you recognize the situation for what it is). As a matter of fact - I would call all the vets in the area and write a letter to the area newspaper expressing your disappointment in the situation.
What the message is, is: "I appreciate the refund - but I will let everyone know that your operation is unacceptable."
You post constantly and I never say a thing unless I have advice for you. I think if I had some kind of thing for posting rude comments to you, I would have ample opportunity.
I warned you about getting a puppy the way you did, you got defensive then and screamed stubbornly again and again your position. Unfortunately, not only you and your family paid the price. daisy was also involved. I offered you nothing but well wishes for Daisy, I kept her in my thoughts often and still do. I still wait for pictures...
I was being honest in what I said and they are not my typed words they are yours. That is just the way they make me feel. I am not speaking for everyone, I have my own voice and thoughts.
Again, I try to explain to you how I feel and you jump down my throat and say that I am the one with things to hide. Apparently you can't hear yourself over your own screams.
I think you should take a minute to see who reacted rudely here because I could swear I am experiencing deja vu. I just gave you my honest take from where I sit, like I always do. I still think it was inappropriately worded. If you meant that they didn't make any money off this puppy, well then that makes sense...but that is not the way you said it and I cannot be blamed for misunderstanding when you were so vague.
I know that I am far from perfect and I have learned a lot in my time here on tp. I will be damned if I would throw all that knowledge out the window at the sight of a cute puppy for my own selfish feelings. I know better then that and I hope that you do too. I was trying to remind you that though the pain may feel like a distant memory, you should keep it in the front of your mind.
I kick myself in the butt daily for so many of my past mistakes but the beauty of being human, is that we have the ability to learn and the ability to possess a conscience. We also are blessed with plenty of time in life to try to get things right.
In the end, it is always up to us in what we choose. Also, what we have to live with...
***Edited By: pope1982 on 12/28/2006 4:06:43 PM*** Reason: ...
"from my exsperience its the ppl that point fingers are the ones that have the most to hide. they just arent the idoits like most here when we post the truth and it turns around and bites us in the butt because everyone just throws it in your face. i am who i am and i do care about my dogs and really thats all that matters. dont you think?"
You need to redirect your anger because it is getting pretty tiresome that when someone comes along with an opinion other then what someone is looking to hear, they are accused of being the devil in the flesh assaulting the innocent saints of terrificpets with a keyboard.