It is with a very heavy heart I tell this story, just finding out myself. I do not know this Lab personally, nor the owners but my heart is broken and I do feel the pain.
A gorgeous Labrador had a litter of puppies 6/7 weeks ago. Over the past 5 days there was a change in behavior and the dog went down. She died today. Speculation is this was caused by liver failure. Please let's not get into a thread of early signs and prevantative measures. These are breeders, things go wrong.
The purpose of this thread is try and educate the public that having puppies is not necessarily so fun, it's not what you think, and it can have horrible, fatal results.
Please THINK before you just have a litter, before you breed. Are you prepared for a loss like this?
RIP Gracie, I am so sorry for you and your family.
***Edited By: savannah on 10/10/2007 4:21:53 PM*** Reason: *
Savannah: I'm very sorry to hear the news of Gracie's untimely death. I know well the heartbreak that can come along with the joy of breeding. I posted something that happened to me, in an effort to illustrate what can happen, with the best of intentions, testing, and general wonderful care my dogs receive. Sometimes all of that is not enough. Once again, my sympathy to the dog's owner.
Ali, DEFINITELY related to pregnancy. The stress that is put on a bitch has so many different ramifications. This is something that happens more readily then you might think, perhaps not aware it even happens I guess, I assure you it does. Vet's are not schooled in many things and sadly many times something like this simply goes undiagnosed. I have heard over my years numerous dogs having liver failure after whelp. It's so so sad happens in all breeds, its just one of many many things that can simply go wrong.
Huh. You know a lot of times things that animals get, often are the same things that humans have happen. What about stress on the body during pregnancy causes liver failure in dogs? I never have heard of it and I also know a lot of breeders with a lot of dogs of all breeds and sizes.
I guess it is possible though, because people die during pregnancies, it is risk that people take though.
Ali, really let a vet educate you... i'm saying that very nicely. I can't explain like a vet can but clearly stress works on the liver just as it does with all organs. You're right, humans can die.
This is not new or unfamiliar territory for vets.
You want the truth? I personally had it happen. I just didnt want this thread about me and what happened to my dog but numerous years ago it did happen to me. I caught it. Labs are pigs and when she didnt want food and didnt seem "right" she was at the vet's within 24 hours and stayed. She was in the hospital for almost 2 weeks, back for 8 weeks after every week having tests done and we spayed her. It was her 2nd litter, she was 4 years old. She was also an 82 pound young strong healthy bitch. We will never ever know WHY it happened, just that it did and thank God we caught it. She was not with my GP whom you hear about all the time, she went to the emergency clinic where our specialty vets are. 8K later she was ok. Total liver failure.
There are lots of sad stories of pets dying with breeding.
there was someone on dogster trying to say its ok to be a back yard breeder and she is so she can sell puppies cheap. Sure enough her next post is her dog died and she tried to blame the vet. It happens. I feel sorry for the dog but hope the lady learned a lesson form it-probally not.
If I have any beliefs about immortality, it is that certain dogs I have known will go to heaven, and very, very few persons -James Thurber
When I was about 15 a friend of mine let her cat get pregnant because she thought kittens would be cute. Well, the kittens came way too early, nearly all of them were deformed.. missing limbs. Some were bornstill. The deformed ones held onto life for a little while before dying. Only 2 survived. My friend couldnt even stay to watch or help her cat with the birth because it was so sad. The whole thing was real "cute".
No disrespect to you Savannah, obviously you know it can happen. I am just not finding any information on it on the internet at all. And you would figure if this was a serious thing that occurred with any frequency that there would be a lot of articles on it. Is is maybe something that Labs have a predisposition to develop?
Pregnancy and whelping are not mentioned as a factor in any liver article I have looked at in the last 45 minutes. I do know a lot of people with HUNDREDS of combined years of breeding dogs. Together they have had an awful lot of strange, odd, bad things happen over the years and this is NOT one.
That is why I find it strange that I have never heard of it. Rare problems can arise based on anything. If you have enough births, something bad will eventually happen. It should never be taken lightly, and at the same time it is UNLIKELY that anything will go wrong. Or maybe my friends and I have just been lucky overall.
It would be interesting to see what the statistics would be for canine death due to whelping and pregnancy in general. How safe or how unsafe it is has to do with many many factors, some you can predict others you can't.
Anyway, when things go wrong, it is sad and I am sure it does make you question even wanting to breed. I have never even come close to losing a mother in the last 10+ years from anything having to do with birth or pregnancy.
I don't mean to upset you, I just have a general interest in dog/pregnancy related topics. You are right though, I will be sure to ask my vet the next time I see him. Maybe he could better explain things.
A very dear friend, of mine, bred his two "Petstore" Maltese. Although, it sickened me, and I was absolutely shocked that they did this, he and his wife were so excited for the arrival of the puppies.
This couple is very well off, so they were financially able to care for any emergency. They researched like crazy, and were confident they were ready to deliver the pups.
Four pups were born. One was rushed to the emergency, shortly after birth, and had to be put down. A few days later, the mom was rushed to emergency in need of medical care. Six weeks later, another little pup had to be put down.
This entire family was devastated. They were sickened at what they had done. My friend's wife and daughter cried day and night for weeks.
The two remaining pups are now 13-weeks old. They are going to wonderful homes, free of charge, with a spay/neuter contract.
My friend is also going to spay/neuter their malts.
This was not the joyful experience they had expected. It, in fact, turned into a nightmare for them.
Thank you Norma. I sincerely hope there will be good out of this tragedy and someone out there will think twice and NOT just have a litter of pups for the sake of it. That's why I posted this. How many times do we read from pet owners "oh my girl will be such a good mommy and it will be so much fun for our family".
Deb, so sorry to hear your story too. Very, very sad. A very hard lesson was learned.
Breeding isnt bad. If you know what your doing and know the pros and cons then go ahead (if you are doing purebreds). And is a wonderful gift. But, yes, if you are a backyard breeder then yes breeding is bad and you need to get your dog fixed.
Savanna, very very sorry to hear about this poor dog that was taken at the worst time and in the worst conditions. How are the puppies?
Oh well i was mainly talking to the poster above me because she said "Breeding is bad" and i was just trying to tell her not ALL breeding is bad because if we didnt breed we would have no more dogs when our ones we have now die. But if your doing it the right way and know every little detail about breeding then yes, breed, but if you know nothing and just want puppies because their cute, then no, dont breed. Kind of along those lines.