Well now you know more about her story. Try defending her now. How can anyone say that she gave it her best shot -- the darn dog was 10 wks old and she wrote one week later that she rehomed him because he was aggressive. Give me a freakin break. She obviously has no patience for a dog. Get a pet rock.
We had a dog who was mean to children because the neighborhood kids constantly taunted him. We had to give him away to someone who had no children. I agree it was better for the pet and the entire family. But come on she gave away a freakin 10 wk old puppy because of aggression. She needs to take some classes on dog training. She needs to pick up more books on the subject. She obviously is not ready for any dog.
I had read the previous posts which is why I said she should not have dumped the dogs off without properly training them. I understand people having to give their dogs away for reasons out of ones control. The reason I got so mad is because of the fact it seems she did very little to work with this dog and now all of the sudden she wants another. Who is to say she is not going to get many more and do the same thing. To me those people should not be allowed to keep getting dogs. It is not fair to the animals. She claimed that she had two before that she gave away however in the posts I read it sounded more like 3 or 4. I could be wrong. I do not think someone who is in this situation should be told to keep getting more dogs.
I think waaayyyy earlier on someone should have mentioned her other posts. I REALLY think that would have stopped some of this alot sooner. I think I read the previous post but I rarely pay attention to the poster.
UH huh that is what I have been saying all along. Rehoming a dog for LEGITIMATE reasons is ok. Giving away a puppy who is 10 wks old because he is not what you expected is just ridiculous. You probably got him when he was 7 or 8 weeks old. So hmmm you gave it 2 weeks .... wow you are a saint. Good job lady get another dog.
She also kept her other dog in the balcony. She said it was necessary for him to live there. For a dog who was left outside in a balcony not even a yard ... he was doing great. He was still friendly with the children according to charmer. http://www.terrificpets.com/forum/24978.asp
How can anybody in their right mind defend this individual and suggest she get another dog? You probably got her puppy at 7 or 8 weeks of age. In 3 weeks she gave him up and said she exhausted all possibilities to train him. Give me a break! It takes time to properly train a dog ... unfortunately you can't buy a puppy and expect it to be perfect without lifting a finger. Like I said previously you only get what you put in the dog. You don't take the time to train him then don't expect him to be perfect. It just won't happen. Trained dogs still aren't perfect but we should love them anyway because the good outweighs the bad. She is looking for a perfect creature therefore a dog is not for her. Dogs need love and patience -- things she is incapable of giving
I know it's a different dog which makes my point even stronger. She sad the10 wk old lab mix puppy was aggressive. The spitz was amazing with "childrens" so I said what a good dog, he was left outside in a balcony to live and was still amazing with her kids. This woman was a bad dog owner to two dogs that we know of --- telling her to find another dog is ridiculous.
you guys have made a FUSS of a lil thing(question)..okay,here is the little history iam going to provide you so that you can understand better why i rehomed my two dogs.
we live in a area where i cant leave my childrens and my property alone...leaving childrens and property alone is a huge threat for me..so i got a caretaker who will take after my childrens and property when iam away from the home...but still i had the doubt..so i decided to take the dog after 5 years (my last dog died 5 years before)..so i got a puppy of lab/cocker from a breeder...i have been raising him..tried everything...trained him...contacted many trainers...i spent lots lots of time on him to get him train and turn out to be a good dog...but he was getting agressive more day by day..he bit me !!!...he bit my kid !!!!!..then i contacted a trainer and he said its a mix breed and you cant guess the temperamental problem unless he grow old so its better to take a purebred..then i thought to take a elder dog because it will take much much time to train him and raise him and i did not have the time because i emmergency needed a watchdog good with childrens coz leaving them alone was going to be a threat for me...so....i gave my rocky to one of my friend and i even go to see him as well...i miss him but i had to rehome him i had no choice left,and guess what..he(my friend) is saying to me that i did good job rehoming this puppy becuase he has sum tempramental problems .NOTE: my friend has 14 years experience of dogs...then i decided to take elder dog who is a good watchdog and good with family as well....so i kept reading on the net about dogs and i choosed sum breeds to take...then got the ad of this german spitz..i took him home...no doubt he was too good with my childrens,but he was not a watchdog..i contacted a trainer and told him to train him..and he denied bcoz he does not train toy breeds..so now wat..my childrens got a mate to whom they can pet all the time...but when a thief comes in the home to threat my childrens or my property...he will welcome him...so i needed a dog who is good with my childrens and bad with the strangers...in this case i would feel comfortable when iam not in the home.
now you people tell me...wat was the big deal i rehomed my dogs??????..cant you notice iam a good dog owner that i did not give them to animal shelter or breeder i just gave them to my friends as a gift?????..they saw them they loved them..one person was giving me huge amount for this german sptiz dog but i refused to gave him just because i thought he is not a good owner....now if i was not a good lover then why i didnt give my dogs to dumbass??????..i came on this forum because i thought iam not so much experienced and here i will find many experts who can give me the suggestions,but i feel sorry to say that only few of you are good but rest of you are just troliing and making fun of people....iam very worried about the other people like me who will face the idiotic suggestions from you and then they will be discourage and dishearted after listening to your idiotic jokes towards them.....what you are trying to prove me? ..anyway i just say thanks to the people who helped me and suggesting me the breeds...specialy cockerlover...you rock..you just gave me the good breed "newfoundland"...i got one..thank u alot..he is doing fine and he is the same i wanted....but yes..i still miss my two rehomed dogs specially my lab who was only 10 weeks....and the people who are making fun of my posts..i will just say to them that instead of saying me to train my dogs and look into the mirrors....i will say you guys that look yourself in the mirror and honestly tell me...did your parents well trained you ???..did they teach the lesson how to behave in humans world???..if yes,then congratulation..you are sucha "mix breed" and no one able to judge your temprament...and if no then you dont need to train ur dogs..you need a trainer first for YOURSELVES !!!!!!!
These are excerpts (sp?) from a page on this website, http://www.dogpatch.org/obed/obpage2.cfm , which was shown to me when I asked about training one time. There's a lot of information..but I thought this was very relevant to this post.....
"The fastest and simplest way to have a perfectly behaved companion dog is to buy a stuffed toy. What? You don't like that answer? Well what DO you want? Nothing worthwhile comes "fast and simple." … If you want someone to tell you the fast and simple way to train your dog then you need to rethink your decision to be a dog owner. Dog ownership is a big responsibility and there is nothing fast and simple about it. The only fair thing to do is confront your assumptions and illusions. If you aren't ready for that then you need to rethink your decision to have a dog. … If you've got the general idea and are ready to commit time and energy into having a wonderful relationship with your dog then look at some dog training or behavior web sites. Otherwise let's see if I can convince you that you either need to spend time and energy on making your dog into a terrific friend and companion, or you need to consider finding a more caring home for the dog. … Dog ownership is a responsibility. If you got a dog "for the kids" then think about what you are going to teach them. Are you going to teach them to look for quick answers and give up if they don't find them? Or are you going to teach them that it takes good work to have good results. Are you going to teach them that responsibility means toughing it out when the going gets rough, or that if something takes effort to just quit? Are you going to teach them that friendship takes work, or that if you don't have instant rapport and understanding that you should get rid of the friend? … A dog is a pack animal. It prefers to be with its companions. Many people assume that the dog wants to be outside in the yard. While some dogs might, and a few will accept it, most dogs want to be with their people. When people leave their dogs outside or otherwise alone the dog is at very high risk. The risk is that the dog will become a nuisance and eventually wind up in a shelter. A lonely dog will do anything to relieve itself of that stress. Typically they will bark, howl, dig, or become destructive. They may bite at people who do visit them, thus causing fewer visits. This biting behavior is often due to the frustration of being kept apart from companionship. You can successfully keep a dog outdoors, but if you read this to learn the quick and easy way to train I dog I very much doubt that you will spend the necessary time. If you are not allowing the dog indoors then you must set aside socialization time. It is time that you and the dog interact. It should last one to two hours, preferably more. It should include daily grooming of the dog. Go over it with both brush and comb from head to toe. Inspect the feet, toes, teeth and ears. Do it to keep the dog used to it. Rub the dog all over. Play with the dog. Play fetch, or teach it tricks. Make it fun. Then throw in ten or fifteen minutes of training "come" "sit" "down" "stay". Keep it light and happy. Feed part of the dog's supper as treats during this time. If you got a dog "for protection" then realize the very heavy responsibility you have. Your dog must be safe to have around. In most states there is "strict liability" for dog bites. That means that you are financially liable for a dog bite even if you didn't know that the dog would bite. It means that you are liable even if the dog accidentally escaped. And if you've done anything to increase the likelihood that the dog will bite, then in many states you can be held criminally liable. In most states you will be held liable if your dog bites a casual trespasser. You may use reasonable force to repel a trespasser. In most states inflicting puncture wounds on a casual trespasser is considered to be unreasonable use of force. What kinds of things increase the likelihood of a dog bite? Leaving a dog tied in a yard, allowing unsupervised access to a fenced area that fronts on a public street or other place where people pass by, failing to teach the dog to tolerate being handled (especially around food) and of course agitating the dog or encouraging it to become aggressive. Most dogs can protect the home just fine with out being taught to be aggressive. More importantly an untrained dog is highly likely to bite a person who has done nothing wrong. Teaching your dog to be polite and tolerant of other people does not interfere with the ability of the dog to protect you. Actually you are more likely to have the dog around if you can trust it around strangers. Teaching a dog to be a good companion takes time and effort. People are not born polite, honest, caring and well behaved. Parents teach children. We can all see the results of children who have not had adequate parenting. Dogs are not much different. In order to have a great dog companion the dog must be around people enough that it has lots of opportunity to interact with people. During that interaction there will be love and cuddling, but there will also be instruction in polite socially acceptable behavior. Patience, persistence and consistency are the most important concepts in any kind of teaching. Once you have committed to responsible dog ownership you can begin to explore getting the skills you need. Ideally you will take a class. Taking a class is a lot more productive than training by yourself. Trying something new is always a lot easier when you have a skilled coach available. Also a class helps you discipline and focus your training time. If you can't find the time for a class you will find it very difficult to make the time for proper training. There are a lot of good books out there to help you learn about and understand your dog. Once you find a book you like you can purchase it so that you can refresh your reading of it on occasion. If you've got the general idea and are ready to commit time and energy into having a wonderful relationship with your dog then look at some dog-training websites. If I still haven't convinced you to take the time to train your dog, and to socialize it, then please find a good home for the dog."
I really hope that helps and I really hope that you take the time to consider what's being said. Obviously, getting a dog of any age is going to take time and patience, because regardless of where they are at in their training, YOU still need to learn how to handle them. If, after reading about dogs, training, etc., you honestly feel you don't have that kind of time or patience or persistance...then please get a stuffed toy or a pet rock. That's not meant as an insult at all, however dogs, like children, cannot just be left to their own devices. They need socialization, training, love...all that takes time out of your day and you have to want to give that time or no dog, ever, will work for you.
Also, if what you are wanting is a protection dog for your children and home, why not search for "Protection Dogs" online. One of the sites I came across, Kraftwerk K9, has trained, adult protection dogs (GSD's) and they are good with their families...but are trained to protect them. The people there will spend time with you over the phone if you have any questions. The dogs are expensive, however that's because they've spent all the hours training them. You receive the dog and a training video to help you with the commands.
Sorry this post is so long....but I wasn't sure I should say anything at all and then when I did...well...here's the result!
***Edited By: ShaunnaMichelle on 10/3/2005 11:48:48 AM*** Reason: ***forgot something***
Makes me glad I am taking that course to be an dog trainer/instructor. Then I will really be qualified to give advice. I really don't think any animal should have to suffer with her!
AND I think crazyboutdogs is an idiot! You have to expect a young puppy to bite and realize you will nmeed to train it!! You don't give a puppy away because it bites!!! Come on! If I had done that I would have gotten rid of ALL my dogs except one!!! I knew that they wouldn't do it forever. I once had a greman shepherd rottweiler cross who would always bite everything when she was a puppy-until she was 4 months old!!! It was really annoying but I did not get rid of her because of that.
***Edited By: doxielover1 on 10/3/2005 11:52:00 AM*** Reason: forgot something
I don't mean to offend anyone here. I'm not coming down on Katz (at least I think it was her...) who talked about the dogs she rehomed.
It is one thing to save a dog from a bad situation with the intention of finding him a more suitable home later - that I completely agree with. That, I find honorable.
I also have no problem with a dog owner who, after trying EVERYTHING, has a dog that is simply incompatible with their home.
However, I don't believe charmer is in either of those situations. Charmer is adopting dogs with the intention of keeping them forever and then giving them away when they don't turn out to meet every single need she may have.
If she wanted a dog that would be good with children and good at guarding, she should have figured out what she needed BEFORE she started adopting dogs without thinking it through.
You can argue with me if you want and say I'm being cruel and unfair, but I'm simply stating an opinion - I don't believe Charmer deserves to be a dog owner.
Who is crazyboutdogs? I thought we were talking about charmer. OK call me confused.
I agree with you rebecca. I have been saying it since the beginning. Charmer has no idea how to raise dogs/puppies so until she does she should not get another dog. She gave away a puppy who was 10 wks old because she said he was biting her and was aggressive. If she knew anything about dogs or talked to real dog trainers then she would know that all puppies bite. She purchased the puppy at 8 weeks of age and then gave it away at 10 to 11 weeks of age. How can she say she tried EVERYTHING to train him? If someone can train 10 week old puppy in 2 weeks and have him fully trained give me a call. I will seek your assitance because you are a miracle worker.
Okay, just in case anyone is confused on where I stand now. I did not know the pup was 10 weeks old, I did not connect the posts together and was going by what was said here. I did miss the post about her other threads but with so many pages, you tend to overlook a few. I do not like the fact that she gave away a pup after only a couple weeks. I also think it was STUPID to get a German Spitz for a guard dog (for those of you who do not know, they are pretty much the equivalent of a Pomeranian) So even if it was a good guard dog, all someone would have to do is kick the poor thing. A toy breed is not much of a guard dog, watch dog maybe, guard dog, NO. I am also upset that she has already gotten a newfie? This person does no breed research or it would have taken her more then a few days to decide she wanted a newfie. They are like any other breed and require alot of knowledge on the owners part.
Your PUPPY nipped your children and you, he did not BITE. A puppy needs to be taught not to bite. I am sorry but I doubt that you contacted a trainer, a trainer would have told you that a PUPPY can be taught not to nip. A trainer would have taught you how to train the dog and a trainer would have worked with your dog.
Your puppy was 10 weeks old, how much effort did you put into training this puppy---he was a baby! Two...three weeks? Puppies take MONTHS before they are well trained.
I am very sorry to hear that you want another dog...did I read that you got a newf? My aunt's friend has a newfie and he is a big baby, great with her children but definately not a guard dog.
Can I ask you one question...what will you do if your new dog turns out to not be a good guard dog????
If you can afford to get caregivers and new dogs all the time, then maybe you should invest in an alarm system.
If no one argued with me we wouldn't be up to 5 pages. LOL I told her she had no business having dogs. She tried EVERYTHING to train him in 3 weeks tops. She is also a liar. I doubt she called a trainer. All puppies bite; not real biting more like chewing. For the person on this forum who told her to get a newfie, congrats!
BTW I was interested inthe crazyboutdogs comment because earlier kissmylittlebobo called me aka crazybout dogs and I am not that person. I thought the insult was directed toward me because correct me if I am wrong but crazyboutdogs did not post anything on this thread.