I was looking for pet supplies the other day and some people were looking at a Cocker Spaniel puppy. The store helper claimed she was purebred. Isnt it illegal for purebred puppies without papers? In my opinion the pet store puppies are cute and may be looked after with care but they dont tell you exactly where they come from!
People purchase animals from pet stores because they don't know where they come from. Most people have no idea what kind of animals they are going to get for a pet. They are trusting the store to sell a good product.
Some people buy puppies from pet stores because they don't want to go through the constant harrassment of the local shelter just to be turned down anyway. I'd go to any pet store before I'd go to our shelter...just my opinion.
I can tell you why MY pet store sells puppies. We have a bad bad shelter - actually animal control and the poor puppies are gassed constantly. They have 4-5 days to find a home. Not many people will go to this horrible place because it is very sad.
I go to the shelter every 3 weeks and rescue 2 puppies (generally $46 each) spay/neuter is included in this cost but is never already done. I then take them to my vet and get a medical started on them (first vaccinations, wormings, etc.). I also set up the appointment for the spay/neuter. Usually it is 2-4 months down the line. Once I have the go-ahead from the vet, I bring the rescues to my store and they are up for adoption. I screen very carefully and I only charge my out of pocket (vet fees and shelter pull fees). I notify the vet when the pup is adopted and follow-up with both the vet and the adoptive parents to make sure the spay/neuter is completed. Since it is FREE, everyone has done it so far.
I get people constantly asking for chis, bichons, yorkies, etc. and explain to them that I only rescue puppies that will be KILLED if they don't get out and I don't see too many purebreds. I also give the "puppymill talk" and have seen some people genuinely shocked when they hear it.
I know this is not the "usual" pet shop but it was my dream for years and has finally come to fruition. We have placed 39 animals (puppies, dogs, kittens) in 5 months. We have a return policy that clearly states in writing that we will take any puppy/kitten back at any time if it cannot be kept. We have had a couple of returns and have re-placed them in better homes.
You know what Bippy? I went through the hassles...ALL of them. I went through it all for 7 months. Visiting them, having them come to our home, having them tell me what I have to do to make my home "right". Spending hundreds of dollars in fencing, etc to do what they said. More home visits. Hundreds of calls. On and on and on..... they just didn't want to give me a dog because I have children. When they FINALLY gave me a dog because I threatened to go to the directors, they took it back less than a couple weeks later because someone else had wanted it that didn't have kids and I had asked them for the name of trainers in town since they work with several. They said that meant I was having too many problems with her and it wasn't a good fit. They thought this other person would be a great fit....no kids there. So yeah, I'll take the pet store over a shelter any day of the week....and twice on Sunday.
So you have learned a lot huh? If you are going to go to a shop why not just find a good breeder. No wonder they didn't wnat you to have the dog,threatening them was probally a great way to do it and they probally never planned on letting you keep it after that.
Its a sad but true fact that people buy from pet stores and from back yard breeders because they like the a particular breed and for the cost of one of them its compareable to a shelters price. Besides pet store puppies and yarddogs need good , responsibles owners too! I think any pet that is required from where ever has a right to be loved and pampered! The shelters that are maxed out probally would have a higher turn over rate if the by passed adoption fees on true ligitamate pet owners even though funding is a high problem. It would be the same as fostering out, right?
That's sad that you feel that shelters are too much of a "hassle" Shaunna. Maybe there's a reason you were turned down by the shleter. It's also sad that people buy puppies from pet stores that support puppy mills rather than saving the life of a wonderful shelter dog that ultimately gets killed because nobody wants them.
Desert Rose, you are great for doing what you do. I wish more pet stores would do the same.
***Edited By: Cinnaeve on 12/27/2005 8:44:30 PM*** Reason: add
I threatened to go to the director of the shelter AFTER over six months AND several homes visits AND spending hundreds of dollars to put up their required fence around the property. They were still refusing to adopt a dog to us because they said that all the breeds were bad with kids....which is completely untrue.
There really aren't any "good" breeders in my area from what I can tell. We have a doodle breeder....oh boy...a mutt for $1000.00...sign me up...NOT. We have some A$$ that breeds Golden Retrievers only to take them away from their mother too early and keep them locked in a small crate all together so they don't mess on his precious floor. We have a GSD breeder that breeds them as mean as hell and with major health problems. If I'm going to get a mixed breed dog, why not get one for much cheaper at a pet store that at least admits they are mutts. And if I'm going to get a dog with behavioral or health issues, why spend thousands when I can go to a pet store and KNOW I'm going to probably have one issue or another instead of getting screwed over by some breeder who thinks that just because they have the parents, they are 100% right on everything.
I am neither uneducated nor am I ignorant and your statement makes you look rude and judgemental. You don't know me at all. Just because you live in some perfect little world where you never encounter any problems and no one ever does your high intelligence any wrong doesn't mean we all come from that same perfect world. In my state, dogs are treated like cattle. I want a pet, not cattle.
We've been looking for a puppy for a long, long time and I will get one wherever I want to. And I could care less what you or anyone else who wants to be judgemental thinks about it.
I definitely don't come here to be attacked by someone who probably wouldn't have the balls to say any of this to my face. I come here to learn more about the different breeds of dogs, to see others' dogs and to try to make an informed decision on what types of breeds would be better suited to my family.
So.....stick your opinion in your ear if it's directed to me in that tone. My children have more respect for people than you...and they are 5 and 3.
ShaunnaMichelle do you think we walk out of our back door into our perfect breeders home? No, it takes some effort. If you could do so much like putting up this fence what is the problem with traveling to get apup vs buying from a pet store. What about that is not pure laziness or being ignorent,I don;t ge tit. You know how pet store dogs are treated,why wold you still go there?
*******And if what I think bothers you pay no attention. You will not convince me that buying from apet store is a good thing.
***Edited By: joce on 12/27/2005 9:11:36 PM*** Reason: j
First of all...I've driven hundreds of miles to see a dog only to find out I've landed right in the middle of puppymill Hell. I do drive. I look online. I look at papers all over the state. I've been on Petfinder. I go through AKC, UKC and CKC. Just because dogs are registered doesn't mean they live in good homes (apparently as I've found).
Second, FYI...our pet store is a small town pet store and they actually take in puppies from "oops" litters of people around town who didn't think their dog would get out, etc, etc, etc. They know the people they get them from and give information. These people have been in business for years and love animals. They are very knowledgeable as well...most of them have worked there for the last 13 years that I've been around. They are advocates (and assist in) the spay/neuter clinics that we have twice a year here too. They aren't your "typical" pet store. I wouldn't buy one from the one that's 2 hours away though....they do get their dogs from puppy mills. I do have some morals you know. I just HATE the shelter here and so far, I haven't been impressed with the breeders I've met either.
Third...I'd just like to point out that I don't own a dog yet. Not that I haven't tried. This time around....I'm waiting for the right dog. It's taking forever and I'm wishing everyday that I could have a puppy NOW...but I'll wait because I want the right dog. I am still looking at breeders (though now I'm looking OUT of the state more) and I still go to Petfinder every day. I just wouldn't step foot in our local shelter if you paid me.
That's it. See me as uneducated or ignorant if you choose. The people who know me, know better. I've had some really crappy experiences that have shaped my thoughts and feelings...but I'm still out there trying too...so I think a little credit and understanding would be in order. Look at it from my point of view...I can't even buy a dog from here...there's too many scams just on TP's advertising pages....I don't trust it. I've lost a lot of money in this little venture and I don't intend to lose anymore. Got any ideas? Happy to hear them? Know a good breeder? Fill me in..I'm happy to check them out too. Until then, I'll keep looking and I'll keep reading posts to learn what I need to.
So what hapens to puppy mill puppies that arent bought?Dog pounds! What happens to unwanted pet store puppies?Used as breeders/Dog pounds. What happens when the neighbors dog has puppies? ..... Come on lets get real... If you see a puppy and you can afford it and fall in love with it, it cant help how it became of this world. Save its life and purchase it or adopt it.The puppies are aparentlly already there so you minds well get it or it'll end up as a breeder or unwanted in a shelter.So stop worring about pet store v/s shelter.. Thier all in need of human intervention!
Here's how Petland discourages potential customers. They charge $1800 for a puppymill dog with green stuff coming from their nose. They also quoted (just asking, I had no intention of buying) $3500 for an English Bulldog because "they are known to have health problems and may need C-sections for birthing. This fee includes lifetime obedience classes and microchipping." I got into it with the manager one time for telling him that a pom puppy I asked to see was coughing. He was miffed and started trying to tell me how all of the puppies there are vet checked. Well, get that one checked, it's coughing!
I agree with duchess, I have 3 dogs....2 shelter and 1 from a pet store. The shelters are a Norwegian Elkhound (female)and a Silky Terrier(male). Knowing what I know now...not another male. I wanted a Shih Tzu and the the shelter didn't have one so one day I walked into the pet store by my work saw her and fell in love with her. So Shaunna, if you find a dog in the pet store that you really love, my advice is to buy it because you know you're going to give it a great home.
We have a small owned pet store around here, and I absolutely love the place. The people who own it raise dogs themselves and rescue dogs. They are never overpriced and are the nicest people. They will tell you if a dog will not work for you for any reason, like if you have kids. They give all their animals shots and worm them. And you can just tell they really care about the animals and I think that is one of the most important things. They care about them while they are there, and care about them enough to make sure they get a good home. If you are loving and provide a good home for your pet, get it were you please. Just make sure its the right pet for you.
I had people come to look at my pups and they kept comparing them to the ones they saw at the mall pet store. I just cringed. I tried to explain to them that the people at the mall are "sales" people. They don't take time to research breeds and potential owners and definitely not where the dog came from. It is sad that these places exist and people are ignorant to what goes on behind the scenes.