hi! im curious as to why so many people wait on cropping the min pins ears till they are 8 weeks old, or older. ?????????
i am a min pin hobby breeder, and do my own ear cropping. i do it at 4 1/2 - 6 weeks of age. the pain, and bleeding is minimal as the blood vessels aren't fully established. i do not use general anesthesia, i use a local. (i feel general anesthesia is too dangerous, stressful, and makes the pups sick.) they don't require stitching, and very rarely need taping. they also heal alot faster, with less scarring. i find it intersting as to why people will wait. looks to me that waiting is alot harder on the pup. any thoughts or input?
Ear cropping is a surgical procedure in which a portion of the ear is removed. The purpose of the procedure is usually to produce ears that stand erect. This procedure is most often performed in puppies around 8-12 weeks of age. Most veterinarians will not perform this procedure on puppies over 14 weeks of age because as the pup ages, his ear cartilage becomes less pliant and the potential for non-erect ears increases.
What Are the Indications for Performing Ear Cropping?
Ear cropping is most often performed to comply with standards for various breeds. Several breeds either require ear cropping or accept cropped ears in the show ring. Whether or not to have the ears cropped, however, is a personal decision. The breeds most often associated with cropped ears include schnauzers, boxers, Great Danes, Doberman pinschers and miniature pinschers.
What Preoperative Tests Are Needed?
Preoperative tests depend in part on the age and general health of the animal. Usually, most dogs are around 8 to 12 weeks of age and are healthy. In those patients, preoperative tests typically consist of a complete blood count and fecal examination. In certain breeds, a clotting test may also be needed prior to surgery. If performed in an older animal, a complete blood count, serum biochemical test, a urinalysis, and possibly an EKG may be performed prior to surgery.
What Type of Anesthesia is Needed?
This is a surgical procedure in which part of the ear is removed. General anesthesia is needed to induce unconsciousness, control pain and relax muscles. In the usual case, the pet will receive a pre-anesthetic sedative-analgesic drug to help him relax, a brief intravenous anesthetic to allow placement of a breathing tube in the windpipe, and subsequently inhalation (gas) anesthesia in oxygen during the actual surgery.
hobby breeders are generally those who do not show their dogs, just enjoy the breed, breed them for fun. Most cases testing is not performed...but not in all cases (have to leave that tiny window open).
"hobby breeders are generally those who do not show their dogs, just enjoy the breed, breed them for fun. Most cases testing is not performed...but not in all cases (have to leave that tiny window open). "
I have always referred to myself as a hobby breeder. Someone who's hobby is breeding and showing dogs. I don't breed my dogs to make money..HA! I work to make money to breed my dogs..LOL
People that crop their own dogs ears at home like a butcher cutting a piece of meat are called something else.. I don't think I can post it here.
I know that years ago MANY show people cropped thier own puppy ears because they wanted a certian look, or didn't want the vet to screw it up (which happens frequently now days!).
I have no idea what everyone used for anesthsia, but I know some took their pups in to the vet to be knocked out, and then they did the cut. In those conditions, it's your puppy, no more or less pain than when they vet does it. I don't see a problem with it.
I wonder what they original poster does? Sounds like she does them in her kitchen or something. EEEEEKKKK!!!
Well bon they wait longer because its safer for the vet to administer anesthesia with out fear of over dose. The smaller the animal the more dangerous anesthesia can become. I realize minpin ear cropping is allot less trama than doing a larger dog such as dobes, pitts and corsos but isnt it against the law to do it with out some kind of vet degree. I wouldnt go around blabbing what your doing or you may put your self in a akward position!
ok, I have to reply ::gets on the soapbox and clears throat::
I know alot of poodle breeders <that show and do all the testing.> Dock their own puppies tails and dew claw removal at 2 to 3 days old. Alot of Vets dock their tail right up to the base, bad form in that. But to crop ears....whether in a kitchen <God forbid> or anywhere else that is not completely sterile and disinfected and with proper education is just plain CHEAP and CRAZY! I say we all grab Bon and crop her ears in MY kitchen with just a dab of anistetic <bad spell> and show her what it is like to see your Mum or Dad coming at your with a knife, scissors or any other sharp, painful object and cause you intense pain!
Thats it, I have had enough I am going to get my gun and hunt some of these evil owners down and fill their hindparts with some good ole buckshot!
OK 1. a hobbyist breeder is one who produces 2 or less litters and does not turn a profit on the sales of puppies.(for IRS purposes) i.e. doesn't breed for the money
2. As a Dobe owner, I would NEVER EVER dream of cropping under a local and certainly not at home. and i realise most of you have no medical training, but as a sometimes surgical tech, I still would never undertake this by myself. Yes I do my own tails and dewclaws, but only because I have the tools and knowledge, and these procedures do not require stitching, I use dermabond surgical glue on the tails.And I still have my horse vet assist me so my technique can be corrected if needed. I have my ears done at the puppy's family request before they take him home so i can be sure everything is done RIGHT, and this is done by a vet who SPECIALIZES in ear cropping.
3. Oh let's not shoot anybody, but maybe send them to Iraq with a sandwich board that says I LOVE SADDAM and see how long they last!!!!!
I wouldnt say a hobby breeder breeds 2 or less litters a year. They just have different purposes behind breeding that the average show person. The conformation is not always a huge consideration, meeting standard, etc. Some skimp on genetic testing of the parents, as they are only producing pups for fun and to provide family pets. And many of these hobby breeders, do produce several litters a year.
And...oooops the original question, I stand by my opinion previously stated. I am just curious to see how her ears turn out.....i've never done them myself, I always had the vet do it.
***Edited By: lpn169 on 1/3/2006 7:47:52 PM*** Reason: add
i see i have agitated a few people with my post. thats fine, as this is a place to give your opions :)
now for my reply to those of you who think i butcher my puppies...
i use a sterile technique...alot more sterile than the vets around here use. i have a room in my kennel designated for these procedures. with a vet cabinet/table that gets disinfected before and after each procedure, along with the rest of the room. i use sterile tools also.
if i knew how to post a picture on this site i would do so. to show the final results of my cropping.
the reason for using a local anesthetic is pain control. as the area in numb and slowly regains sensitivity. general anesthetic is more of a shock of pain when the pup wakes up...if they wake up...i have seen several that didn't, done by a vet.
what i meant by "hobby breeder" is i only raise about 4 litters per year.
OMG...I'm sick after reading this thread. Number one: if you're not breeding to better the breed, why are you breeding FOUR litters a year? There are enough pet quality dogs sitting in shelters waiting for homes. Number two: you crop ears? Are you a vet? Or do your vets charge more than you're willing to pay? I guess everyone is waiting for one good reason why you don't let an experienced vet crop the puppies ears. OMG...those poor puppies :-(
Why would you have a kennel large enough to have a 'proceedure room' and only raise 4 litters a year? Not saying your lying, but that really doesn't add up. I have a LOT of dogs and they are in my house so I can supervise them at all times.
I understand what you are saying, it is a shock to puppies when they wake up from an ear cropping, and some DO die from general anesthesia. I just don't think that I WOULD want chunks of my ear taken off and be awake. How do you keep them from moving around? It's NOT like tails and dew claws, because that is done at 3-4 days while the 'theory' is the puppies nervous systemes are not fully developed. 5 week old puppies definately feel 100% of pain.
By the way I would love to see your kennel and ear croppings. Make an album you can post on photobucket.com it's easy I just learned last night.