Many, many items you buy that have fur on them are actually CAT FUR. Like, those cute soft scarves from China, dyed light pink or other pretty colors; fur trim on jackets and vests can be raccoon dogs; (google this, you will not believe what you see); fur that you THINK is rabbit is actually a dyed CAT. That has been skinned and treated in the most inhumane way possible.
I could NOT watch the video. . .I am too much of an animal lover. These people are monsters in the worse form.
We need to SPREAD THE WORD, tell everyone about this, because only through education, knowledge, and refusal to buy fur trimmed products will this abuse stop.
Just wondering.....a lot of people say this is cruel and disgusting because they're animal lovers....but that's how the cattles we eat are treated too.... chickens, pigs and cows are born for people like us to consume, living conditions are horrible and inhumane too. People are signing this petition because the animals are pet animals, if you watch a video on slaughering cattles, will you stop eating meat to save the animals from being killed?
I am eating alot more veggie burgers, and soy products and wild game when I can get it....
Horses are slaughtered here in the states for humans overseas....go to an auction and see the cull cattle and horses, pigs, etc, waiting for the killer buyers...
Factory farms, fur farms here, all are pretty cramped and inhumane....They have to be to be profitable...
waste on a cow carcass is 40% (innards, head, hide, etc....) so you have a 1000 steer that is down to 600 lbs or 300 a side.....(take out some bones and you have less weight)
Think of what we buy meat for, ranging from .99 cents a pound on up.
I can tell you that it costs alot of money to feed a cow to raise for meat.....I was paying about 150.00-200.00 a month in 30% feed for a yr per cow.
So, for a yr, not including hay, it was 2400.00 or so in feed. Let alone any vet bills, etc they would need. that was just a cow for us to eat.
Factory farms dont keep em long, they cant afford to.
People used to raise their own meat and we depend on others to do it for us. Our needs made the monster of how a factory farm is today, unfortunately.
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People crack on hunters all the time and I find it ironic....all deer hunters I know, even if they do hunt for bucks, eat the deer.
They will crack on someone for going out and taking the initiative to be a part of the food chain and take the ultimate responsiblity for their families meal,(and its alot of work and money, let me tell you) yet do not graze on veggies and buy their meat neatly wrapped in cellophane and call me cruel.
***Edited By: TraumaMamma on 12/15/2006 8:45:35 PM*** Reason: add
Yes those sleeping kittens and such are made from cat fur and are imported from china. There was a thread on it on a board I frequent months ago. Son bought mom one in a flea market and she wanted to die she found it so repulsive.. she knew it was real.. lady told the son of course it was fake.. Couldn't die the fur expertly enough to have pulled off the 'gift' she got. It was real.
Lady in that thread had said that the only way to keep the products out of the country and lessen them being made would be to screw up import/export. Couldn't seemingly ban those products without stopping every product.
Some people wrote the Canadian government abotu it. No one got a reply worth much..
I personally dont have a problem with people hunting, if they are going to use the meat. But people that feel the need to go shoot a bear to stuff or have made in to a rug bother me, no one eats bear, except the inuit. The polar bear hunts that you have to hire a local to help you track the people keep the meat and do actually use it.
But a good point was raised with the cattle industry, cows are not kept on vast open green fields, chickens spend thier whole lives in small cages under 23 hours of light to make them eat more and grow faster, and pig farms smell really bad. Honestly that is all I know about pig farms, sorry. I like to buy beef from a local farmer that raised the cow in a field, free range, it tastes better, chickens too, I dont really eat alot of pork.
Ruffian, I get local organic free range meat as well. it does taste ALOT better. I cannot eat store bought chicken anymore because its just gross to me. Same with eggs and milk... I can only eat the organic/free range kind.
I have to disagree with the comparisons to the meat production in this country or to hunting. There is a huge difference between an animal that is killed as quickly as possible and every part being utilized and an animal being slowly skinned alive just for its fur after being brutalized to cripple it so it can't run away.
added-the "waste" from the butchering of livestock isn't really wasted. It is just not made into food for human consumption. Much of it goes various other products including feed for pigs, chickens, farm-raised fish, dogs, etc. I know there are some abuses everywhere and no country is completely innocent but I can't imagine a business in the U.S. getting away with something like was on that video and staying in business for long before the ALF or even the regular decent folks of the town put them out of business by whatever methods necessary (where do I sign up for my torch and pitchfork or the tar and feather crew?). Asian countries are well-known for their lack of empathy for the physical pain of animals. I've seen video of a live fish being selected in a an Asian restaurant, carefully fried so it doesn't die, served, sliced on one side only, and a family taking bits and eating with obvious delight as the poor fish flapped its fins and gills with its mouth gaping open and shut. I saw that about 10 years ago and I still can't get rid of the image in my mind.
***Edited By: arachyd on 12/15/2006 10:43:38 PM*** Reason: add
Arachyd, most of the meat cultivated from animals in the U.S. isn't exactly humane. Animals are usually pumped with steroids and placed in small cages. Many animals like chicken and duck are tossed around like objects Cows are castrated alive without anaesthesia, and usually get their throat slit on the production line. There have been cases in the U.S., where teenagers torture animals slowly. This epidemic is not in one single country. It is a worldwide epidemic. Some people find joy seeing animals suffer. It kind of reminds me of how some wild animals toy with their prey before eating them. For example, orcas, sharks, lepard seals, and wild cats. I think it is in some people's instinct to watch other animals and people suffer. If there is a fight at school, people usually go out to the courtyard and watch the fight with enjoyment. Movies and news that show people suffering usually get the most attention(both negative and positive). Just remember, there are good and bad people all over the world. Here are some videos of the brutality in U.S. meat cultivtion. Viewer discretion is advised.
Not all the meat go to waste in China. Provinces that eat dogs are in Yunnan, Heilongjiang, and several small consumer population in Beijing and Shanghai. And in Korea, Jilin and Liao. An average of ten million dogs are slaughtered for fur and food in these provinces. Howeverm there are more than 1,300,000,000 people in China, and most do not eat dog. I think if the Chinese activist continue targeting these province, the changes wil be dramatic. Not all Asian nations treat animals inhumanely. Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, and many other Asian countries have animals as pets, and are very devoted owners. Believe it or not, China was the first country to domesticate dog and have them as pets.
And, I do agree that there is a huge difference between animals killed posthastely and those who die slow, agonizing deaths. I also agree, that it is through education the these humans or people will learn.
***Edited By: finalsphere on 12/16/2006 12:50:13 AM*** Reason: add,
Well all I can say is if your going to eat it, eat it, no need to be cruel and have it suffer. I am a meat eater and I will continue to eat meat. I do agree that wherever animals are in the world they should be treated with respect before they are killed for our benefit.
I say this from the heart because I am Inuit and we do eat meat all the time. What we kill is used 100%. I have been on may hunts and I know in the old days we (Inuit culture) did eat dog when food was scarce, but the killing is always fast and done with thanks to what ever animal gave itís life for our survival.
I do use fur on my clothing and I know where every square inch of it came from and where every bit of the meat has gone. To feed our families and friends. We do hunt bear and it is a delicacy in our culture and is shared by the whole community as a feast. Now donít picture igloos and a bloody mess everywhere. We have houses, cars, snowmobile, and still dogs for our dog sleds and to hunt with. As a culture where we eat so much meat from every kind of animal we still manage to do the killings fast and no suffering to the animal continues for hours and days. Why canít a so-called advanced civilization get that part right too? I see no need to skin anything alive or torture it for giving itís live to us.
The Inuit carvings you see today are not what we use to use in the old days. They were actually very small carvings of only 1 inch in size that were sewn into the lining of a parka as a symbol of respect to the animals we caught to eat. There was one for seal, bear, fish, birds, fox, etcÖand after catching an animal a small prayer was said of thanks and if it were a seal the hunter would take a handful of snow and melt it in his mouth and then let it run from his mouth to the dead sealís to show his respect by giving it itís last drink.
Iím not saying that people should do this with our cattle or any other farmed creature but I would pay a little more for meat if it meant that it would get killed in a fast and least painful way.
***Edited By: Rottweiler_lovers on 12/16/2006 11:49:10 AM*** Reason: *
I don't know why they brandedt he cow like that, seriously I have to assume that video was taken from another country and not the US. I was in animal science production and that is NOT the typical branding method used by cattlemen. The cattle are put into a holding ring, then run through a metal chute, calves are wrestled to the ground (kind of like rodeo type stuff).
Not to mention footage shown in these movies is often not even 'recent footage'. Some of it dates back to the mid 70s and 80s. Things have drastically changed regarding feeding and care of animals in the US food supply since BSE was discovered in the 1990s.
Yes cattle may still have their throats slit but they are stunned into unconsciousness first.
Regarding X amount of an animal going to waste.. Dressage on a cattle is 60%, 70% average for pigs, 50% for sheep (more for lamb) and 50% for deer. But even this will vary depending on the breed of the cow... for example your bony holstein dairy cow dressage is 57%... a nice meaty black angus cow will dress to about 73%.
***Edited By: Minniyar on 12/16/2006 1:20:50 PM*** Reason: add
final, I don't even see where anyone said Chinese food should be banned. So it appears in jumping the gun quickly to defense for your own reasons, you've opened up this annoying can of worms.
I can assure you there is a world of difference between the cruel way those animals were being treated, and this damn food debate.
We all know who eats what, where.
Murder isn't pretty no matter how you slice it. But at least they are not getting their skin sliced and ripped from their bodies as they slowly go into shock or die. So that humans can pay high dollar to wear it.
I just don't see the cause for comparison in a fashion statement or nourishment in the first place, it gets played out after a while. If you choose to eat meat, eat it. If not, don't. It's pretty basic. A debate about leather or fur hunters here in the US would make more sense to me. ntki brings up the best points in my opinon.
***Edited By: pope1982 on 12/16/2006 1:36:06 PM*** Reason: ...
gbroxon, didn't you take off before talking about how that was it for you. Then turned around and had someone else in your house (or yourself) sign on complaining about tp and how neither of you would be coming back?
Yes, I did, Pope. What of it? How does that possibly relate to my message #31 to Newfie_girl or my message #16 post directed at you, regarding the child inappropriateness of the OP's link? You think kids don't know how to "click and download"?
Let's try to stay on task here. Since you've set yourself up as TP's spokesperson for the moral majority, always on the lookout for inappropriate-for-children content, I'd think you'd be appalled that children would be able to view the video available at that link, which, in my opinion, would have a much greater impact (good or bad, who knows--depends on the kid's maturity level) on a kid's development than asking for a parental explanation of a word.
My point is, and was in the removed thread, that parental guidance is the key, regardless of if it's a word a child is not familiar with or a video that shows horrific images.
***Edited By: gbroxon on 12/16/2006 11:47:31 PM*** Reason: Typo.
pope, I'm not trying to jump to conclusions. English is my second language, but I think I was able to convey my message clearly. I intended to write about leather as well. Apparently, I left it out. Also, if you look at my other posts, I didn't say anything about dog meat until other members mentioned it. I know that there is a difference between animals being treated inhumanely and those that aren't. I think I even stated it. Look at all the post meticulously and in order. But, if I said something wrong, please correct me. I don't like to offend anyone. I, too, agree that some people know where people eat dogs, but some don't. Some people think that almost everyone in Asia eats dogs, I was trying to obliterate these stereotypes. It is sometimes hard being Asian American and being subjected to these stereotypes. Nevertheless, I'm proud of my heritage. I've seen people on this forum saying that they heard rumors about dogs being served in restaurants in the U.S. Some say they'll never eat Chinese food again because of these rumors. I didn't say it was posted on this thread, but I see the way I wrote it may seem like that. It was typo, and I should have corrected it. Moreover, I've seen it numerous times on threads talking about dogs being eaten in China and Korea. Not only on terrificpets, but even some forums not related to pets at all. Here is just one of the threads. P.S. I didn't want to cause any discrepancies. I also agree with you 100% about what you said. And, I'm sorry if I offended you in anyway.