i agree with you a hundred percent pitsanddobes. the ones who dont get it are not the ones out here doing the dirty work. they have never euthanized an animal for no reason other then no one wants it. let them spend one day in a shelter, let them hold a 3 month old goldendoodle while it is put to sleep. maybe then they would unerstand. let them tell the owners of a new labradoodle puppy that it has a severe heart rpoblem and will not make it to its 6 month b-day. then maybe they will GET IT.
the truth hurts those who have to deal with the harsh reality everyday. ignorance is bliss.
Thank you Scout at least there are a few people on this forum who really are in touch with reality. Sorry if there are those of you out there who think the cold hard truth is just a way of "putting people down" But facts are facts and there is no denying it. The hardest thing for any human being (who has an ounce of pitty) to do, is to hold an innocent pup or any animal for that matter as it is being destroyed simply because we can't seem to make room in our world for him. And now there are people are going into a cross breeding frenzy calling them designer dogs and those that buy these dogs are only encouraging this to continue. Grandma always said "if your not part of the solution your surely part of the problem."
When I was in the early stages of looking for a dog, before I knew anything at all about them, I thought I wanted a malti-poo because I had seen some cute pictures. The more I looked, the more I found out that some are cute and some are downright wierd looking. What happens to the poor little litter of pups that don't seem to meet the "cute" standard people are looking for?
That is another valid point of this that we have been trying to get people to understand. These dogs mostly will end up at the pound or in the paper as free mix breed to a good home. This is why we have all said over and over that this whole thing is just sick. It takes a long time to develope a new breed and have a certain standard set as well as to get the new breed recognized as a breed in itself. A lot of work goes into this process as well as a lot of time and money. There are all of a sudden all these "new Designer breeds" that as said before are not so new and just simply a way for breeders to make a buck riding on a fad. In truth there really is nothing new about most of them as breeds have crossed regularly in the past. If not we would never have mix breeds like we have now. These dogs are simply everyday mix breeds with fancy names. Thats what really gets me is the money motivation of it. While some breeds are easier on those with allergies there is no such thing as a hypoalergenic dog or a dog that does not shed. When this new fashion trend dies down and people start to realize the problems many of these dogs have they will simply put them down, abandon them on a road somewhere or dump them off at the pound as strays. There will be a select group of people who will bite the bullet and be responsable for theior pets having developed a genuine love for them. But not many. All the work we have done to lower the number of unwanted animals will be down the drain and we will be back where we started if not in a worse state.
I am CERTAINLY not the one that coined these mixed breeds as "DESIGNER"--actually, if you took the time to look at the topic of the thread, you would know thats where I got the name. OBVIOUSLY there are mixed dogs in shelters--I see them everyday, that is NOT what i was saying. What I was saying is that there aren't alot of the "mixes" you guys are all talking about (ie lab/poodle mix, golden/poodle etc etc). I KNOW they are all mixed breeds, I was merely referring to the particular mixes that are the topic of this thread. Again, maybe you should read more carefully...... And for the record, I HAVE had the unfortunate opportunity to see many dogs put down. Its an awful experience that I wouldn't wish on anyone, but in my 5 years of volunteering I am yet to see a "designer breed" put down. (note to pitsanddobes--in case your still confused, that is a term of art, and NOT literal, I mean doodles etc, NOT all mixed breeds--just wanted to make sure you were following...)
I am not offended because i feel "guilty" nor am I part of the problem. Again, if you and some of the others READ CAREFULLY you would see that. But I'll say it again. I SEE YOUR SIDE OF THE ARGUMENT. I agree with ALOT of what you are saying. Personally, I think that EVERYONE should adopt. I don't see you screaming at people coming on here looking for a purebred. There are TONS of crappy breeders breeding pure breds as well as mixed breeds. I've had adopted mutts my WHOLE Life. My first mutt lived for 18 years while I saw all my friends dealing wiht their pug's respiratory problems, their cocker's hip dysplasia, their bull dogs joint problems etc etc. I merely opt for the doodle variety now becuase of my husband's allergies. So, my point is that I am not part of the problem, as you so EASILY assumed (as did many of you). My initial problem in this thread was the comments for owners of these dogs (such as myself) to stop coming to the forum, stop "bugging" you guys etc etc. This is supposed to be a place to brag about your dog, share stories, talk about issues, get advice from others. Personally, I don't feel comfortable doing that with people like you and the many others on this thread being so nasty and rude in your comments. There is such a thing as manners, and THAT is what I was trying to get across. There is a mature and intelligent way to discuss issues, and there is YOUR way. Unfortunately, I was unable to comment on the rudeness without being attacked as someone who "doesn't know that a dog has to go to the bathroom outside." Its like dealing with a bunch of children. I just wanted a place to talk about my pups, discuss issues, ask questions--I thought that I had found that in this forum, but apparently I was wrong. THAT Is my problem.
***Edited By: pearl on 2/21/2005 11:37:36 AM*** Reason: x
I think the best thing we can do is promote adoption and rescue and save the bickering. There ARE thousands of pets in shelters who need homes. We can't get them placed if we keep people angry all the time.
"Its an awful experience that I wouldn't wish on anyone, but in my 5 years of volunteering I am yet to see a "designer breed" put down. (note to pitsanddobes--in case your still confused, that is a term of art, and NOT literal, I mean doodles etc, NOT all mixed breeds--just wanted to make sure you were following...)"
HELLOOOOO? Are you hearing anything that was said by not just me but countless others? UGH there is no such thing as a designer dog! These designer breeds you keep refering to are mix breeds there is no difference other then the dogs are purposly beeing crossed now to make a doller! MY God I cannot believe someone can go on and on over and over the same rediculous point and make no sense! I am far from confused. This is not like blending different fruits to suit ones preference of taste at any given moment these are dogs for the love of Pete!
Whe cares if there are more of one mix then another they are still a mix breed and don't think for a skinny minute I don't have a problem with some breeders of purebreds because I certainly do. IN FACT I have a problem with anyone who breeds just to line their pockets not giving a hoot about the lives they are creating and destroying in the process. People who buy these "desinger" dogs are only encouraging this irrisponsable money grubbing behaviour and YES they ARE part of the problem. WE HAVE enough mix breeds already that are the result of careless ness and irresponsability but to purposly create more? And all to serve the needs of those that could obviously care less about the dogs but their own "sense of style!" This is not an exotic blend of coffee!
Not a lot of oodles, doodles, poodles, schmoodles, PLEEZE WHATEVER!
Because I am not backing down from this one even if I get banned from this forum.
***Edited By: pearl on 2/21/2005 11:38:53 AM*** Reason: respect please
True Dog breeds are those that are acknowledged by the AKC. Every other one is just a mutt or a designer breed. The other day my friend got a dog from her aunt and i asked what the breed was and she said it was a chinese pug mixed with a chihuahua ... what in the world is a chinese pug i was thinking. They sad they called it a CHUGGAPUG...how rediculous. .. Go to the SHELTERS...save a life by adopting. Dont support the DMCA (the designer mutts club of america)... thats all i have to say..plain and simple.
And BTW no one was really bickering until you started riunning your mouth and I suspect that you are just some troll trying to cause trouble. The responses you "repremanded" Were justified and it seems to me there wasn't a problem really until you felt the need to reprimand people you don't even know as if you are the hall monitor or something.
"HELLOOOOO? Are you hearing anything that was said by not just me but countless others? UGH there is no such thing as a designer dog! These designer breeds you keep refering to are mix breeds there is no difference other then the dogs are purposly beeing crossed now to make a doller!"
HELLOOOOO--for the millionth time I do think there is anything DESIGNER about these dogs! I know there is no difference. I was merely using the lingo that I picked up from YOU and others in this forum...IMO, its a stupid term....I put quotation marks around it to indicate that its not how I normally refer to these particular mixes. if you can't understand that, I'm not sure what to tell you.
I've heard yours and others points OVER and OVER and like I said earlier, I've learned alot about the issue. I just think there is an intelligent and mature way to discuss things which obviously you cannot grasp.
To address your nonsensical fruit and exotic blend of coffee metaphors please see my million previous posts. I won't repeat myself again. Take a deep breath and READ THE WORDS SLOWLY and carefully, processing each argument. If you do that, you'll realize we agree on alot more than you would care to realize!
And I'm the one babbling on and on?
***Edited By: pearl on 2/21/2005 11:40:11 AM*** Reason: respect please
Megbrink, your the only person on here I see being rude. So leave pitsanddobe's alone. 0_o You weren't being 'personally jumped on' until you started babbling about it. No offense. I don't think you should go yelling at people for that.
I have read ALL the posts, and thats what I have come too. I understand you don't go with the term designer mutts, ok?
Also, it's not just that you look in the shelters first. You ALWAYS use the shelters if you want a mutt, regaurdless to anything. And it's not an opionion, breeding mutts is a horrible thing. Specially becuase of overpopulation, and what-not. I'm VERY sick of hearing 'I like this SPECIFIC mutt'. ALL mutts and dog for that matter are equal. If you want a certain mutt, that only 'breeders' have, if there are none, in the shelters, just get a purebred of that type, or a mix close to it.
***Edited By: ShadowDog on 2/20/2005 6:18:45 PM*** Reason: add
Roxy you are wrong!!!! There are several breeds that are not recognized by the AKC that breed true. For example: the Argentine Dogo, Black and Tan Coonhound, Blue Tick Coonhound, Cane Corso, Boykin Spaniel, Bolognese, American Pit Bull Terrier, and the list goes on and on. A dog can be bred true and not be AKC registered and they are not mutts.
"I would rather see them all put to sleep then to go to the home of a superficial fad chaser that will no doubt dump them off at a pound anyway when the trend dies down or changes."
"I am tired of seeing animals die often in the most inhumane ways because of fad chasers or people who simply do not understand the concept of patients and training and think the animal should just automatically know that it is supposed to poop outside and the couch is not a chew toy"
This is where it all started (these were NOT my words--rather pitsanddobes)--I thought that was rude and certainly did not educate anyone on anything.
I don't know what a troll is, but I guess this is not a forum where someone can voice their opinion.... or if they challenge the wrong poeple they are a troll???
I'm off to take my doggies out--I just learned from pits and dobes that they don't automatically know to go outside!!!
megbrink I DID read all the posts I followed the thread and kept quiet until I just couldn't stand it any longer. I read what you said and since you are so fond of name calling ya basket case I find you annoying and for the last time SHUT UP! Your only here as a troll to start a problem and what you fail to realize is I was the wrong person to start a war with. I refuse to get into a battle of wits with someone who is so clearly unarmed. Go away and shut up! NOW hows that for rude? You want rude you got it!
I agree there. There are many breed clubs that do not want to work with the AKC or other registries outside their own registry. because of fear that the true intent of the dog will be lost, such as the jack russell terrier. They are bred hunters, but if I believe, the JRTCA believes that they AKC is primariliy concerned about the conformation and not the true breeding intent and are hurting the breed.
yes that is exactly what I said and I wouldn't change a thing but what I fail to see is how my opinion on the subject has become a personal attack on you. Oh thats right because you took it personally. Again people usually do not get upset with someone elses opinion unless they are guilty of something.
***Edited By: pearl on 2/21/2005 11:34:42 AM*** Reason: respect please