rawhide isn't a bone. It's dried out skin of a cow. I think rawhide is fine if your dog doesn't chew off chunks and swallow them like mine. If you do feed bones, make sure you feed the big beef femur or knuckle bones, not chicken bones or pork bones, which can splinter.
Actually raw chicken and pork bones, although slightly less likely to do so, can splinter and kill a dog. I know of a breeder of akitas who feeds raw diet, and she watched her dog choke to deaht on a raw chicken bone right in front of her. Any raw diet has it's dangers, be it salmonella, tapeworms, trichinosis or other bacteria/parasites typically found in raw foods or splintering bones.
The dog must have been a gulper. Pork hasn't had substanciated cases of trich except from Asia in many years. A dogs stomach acid kills most bacteria, like salmonella and raw foods exit the body quicker so it is gone quick enough beofre most bacterias have any chance. Kelly
the stomach acid in a dog's stomach is exactly the same as the one in a humans, hydrochloric acid. And yet people die of salmonella. Dogs are just as succeptible to it as humans are. If you have medical proof as to otherwise, I've always got a browser window ready to open and read.
i feed mine the soup bones with the marrow in it. i freeze and then give it to them, they love it. once in a while. if it's a big bone it will give them a little loose stool, but hardly ever. thats the only bones they get, no rawhide.
First read... http://www.njboxers.com/Question.htm http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/156241_madpets10.html then http://www.njboxers.com/faqs.htm http://home.earthlink.net/~pawsnaturally/faq.html http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/3340/raw_food.html http://www.bluegrace.com/barf.html http://www.craftycreatures.com/forferretsonly/ferretschool_nutritionrawtruth.html
While those articles were an interesting read, I see no concrete evidence/research references that as you say, dogs digest bacteria faster or differently than humans do. Nor did I see evidence that raw bones aren't dangerous to dogs as far as splintering and causing perforations/internal bleeding. Not only that, I have yet to see any proven research that dogs fed BARF diets are more healthy and live longer than dogs fed normal kibble diets. I am talking feeding charts with controlled health, etc. All I hear is that people say 'that BARF diets are better. I can tell you lots more people who say dry food kibble diets are better and safer than raw diets. Which is right? Majority rule? Is either of them right? Who knows, until some neutral parties do some actual research on it, we may never know. As an aside, I just had to laugh of the dietary 'barf' diet, which lists 'offal' and 'liver' as main ingredients. What on earth do you think the meat by-products that so many down are made of in packaged dog food? But here they are with a different name (but the same ingredients) in those 'healthy' barf diets!! Another thing I've always found strange is how some people say too much protein is bad for large breed dogs in particular, but then they promote feeding barf diets, which are much higher in protein than your average kibble. Finally, dogs have been domesticated for 20,000 to 90,000 years, depending on who you ask. In that extreme time period, I know the diets of humans have changed radically many times over. Why is it so hard to believe that the digestive system of dogs hasn't gone through some changes as well, to make them more capable of eating vegetables and yes, some grains too, as part of that evolution from wolf to dog? I'm willing to bet that those prehistoric dogs didn't catch/hunt their food nearly as much as they sat around the fire waiting for humans to throw them the uneaten COOKED portions of their meals. Heck they still do it to this day! Dogs are carnivores, but they are not carnivores to the extent that wolves and cats especially are (note cats have only been domesticated since 4000 BC). And dogs as pets are living longer now than they ever have before.. almost exclusively on dry food. So it can't be *all* bad. Though like everything else isn't *all* good.
Well, you know, no one is saying you have to do anything. We are just having a conversation. You seem hell bent against it, so even if I did have what ever proof you were looking for, you would find a way to try and disproove it. I am happy with the diet I chose. I can see what I am putting in my dog as opposed to trusting that labels are ok, and that there isn't euthanized pets, or grains in my dogs food. If you are interested in finding out more, perhaps you should ask the rawfeeding list instead of putting down something because of your lack of knowledge on the subject and the fear that comes with lack of knowledge. If the diet is not for you, than so be it. I love it, and so does Ella. Kelly
Wether or not a dog or human for that matter "gets" salmonella or any other bacteria is influenced by the "infective dose" - this varies with various bacteria.... so if you get enough bacteria it will cause infection/disease.
OO wow I went searching and found a good article that says as much bad about the barf diets as many others say barf is good diet. But the big difference is this article provides lots of scientific references and stuff.. something that is always suspiciously lacking in those posts from the BARF diet proponents. http://secondchanceranch.org/rawmeat_crane.html
Ellasmom said "If you are interested in finding out more, perhaps you should ask the rawfeeding list instead of putting down something because of your lack of knowledge on the subject and the fear that comes with lack of knowledge." It is precisely because I lack knowledge on the subject that I want concrete evidence with research data, not people's opinions. That's why I go searching for basic information, good or bad, on raw food diets. I went to google and typed in BARF dog food diets. There's just as many people saying bad things (if not more) about barf diets as there are people who say good things. Common sense says humans can get diseases/bacteria from eating/handling raw food, why wouldn't dogs?
Getting info off the internet can be great. But some info is really misinformed and misleading, and not necessarily true. I notice that some are a little crazy about this and could be closeing themselves off from the real facts on canine nutrition. Anybody can write up an article on the subject, whether its correct or not...be careful. Get a proper receipe for home cooked diet from a Veterinarian, balanced is the goal.
Ellasmom, that was a very harsh post up there to minniyar. I will have you know, there isn't euthanized pets in dry kibble, or wait. Wouldn't all the dogs have mad cow disease because they are eating their own flesh? Oh, and I didn't know that dogs in the wild ate plants and grains! Dogs can get samonella and die from eating raw food! I guess if you want to have a scronny herbivorous dog you can feed them grains. Pork and chicken bones splinter very easily, that is why when you eat hot wings they break off so easily. By what you have posted earlier, it appears that you have absolutely no knowledge what a dog's proper diet should be. You seem to think that grains and nuts are better for a dog than muscle, livers, and the parts of cows. That is what they eat in the wild, and that is why wolves are so strong, because they eat meat!
There are several states that allow companies to pick up euthanized animals for kibble. http://www.preciouspets.org/truth.htm http://www.snips.8m.com/pages/snips%20kibble%20tips2.htm http://www.puppylovegourmetbakery.com/articles.htm http://www.ilmorescue.org/nutritio.htm http://www.supersonicjane.com/rants/pfood.shtml I have NEVER said dogs should get grains or nuts. I feed RAW and before that fed ANNOVA. What are you talking about? As I said before, she doesn't want to acknowledge that Raw feeding has any merrit. She is not interested in trying it, but wants to bash it for some reason. Ignorance is bliss. She needs to know that most of the articles against raw were written by pet food conglomerate taught vets. Anyway, I am done. I need to go give my dog some raw meat now. Kelly
I've read several times that rawhides are really bad. You need to really watch your dog and make sure that pieces that break off don't choke the dog. A better alternative would be the bully sticks or macho sticks etc. As other's have posted they are bull things, and the dogs love them. Plus its safer than the rawhides. Here is a site that sells them: http://www.sitstay.com/store/edibles/chews1.shtml good luck!