Cost to clean up the TOXIC area 100 billion dollars and
would take a decade to complete .
interesting ivy. on cnn yesterday they reported some early samplings of the water.....what ever measurements they use to determine levels in the water there were 20,000 parts per whatever of e.coli stemming from human and animal waste. normal acceptable levels are only 20 pparts per whatever. sorry i dont know the term =(
sorry Ivy! i am from Fl originally and keep thinking of all my folks who are going to go out of business due to this. But I know how it is 2 or 3 people have to die from eating contaminated seafood b/f the government post and stop the sale until conditions are better. And if someone thinks the gulf will be the only water affected they are crazy.
I have been reading a few pages of this thread and normally I stay away from topics like this because they usually get out of hand.
I want to however state that I was truly dissapointed with your president and how slow it took for him to react.
He spends how many millions fighting a war and for what? they have troops over there destroying cities and then helping them rebuild. When there is a war happening in his own country at this moment. Does this seem fair? He has more troops there then here.
Friends of mine who have family there are outraged right now. They believe that he is taking his sweet time and will not rebuild simply because it is a poor town and the color of the skin from the majority of people living there. That I want to not believe. Perhaps I am naive but people do not think like that anymore do they?
What upsets me more is the animals. I can't turn the news on anymore because I see helpless people and helpless animals. Not sure what upsets me more.
There was one little boy who refused to be resuced because of his little puppy. Apprently they are taking them away from the owners to put them in quarantine as they may of been exposed to the water and therefore a health risk to the humans.
I also see right now or after the storm grey hound buses evacuating people. Why were they not used before the storm? They should of made it a mandatory evacuation which would of hopefully then saved lives.
But, lessons learned in time of a crises I suppose.
oh jesus, when I say this it will probably open up a can of worms. In answer to your question, IMO it wasn't about race. I do believe it is about economics. As you know if you've been watching the coverage. The majority of the folks who were unable to evacuate were impoverished. Many were on assistance programs. ..AGAIN, IMO... I think they calculated the cost and let many die b/f going in b/c of the bottom line. When public outrage became so high, they then started rescuing people.
They should dump all the bodies at the white house. No disrespect to the dead of couse. And, I certainaly hope it is not due to race. I hope that in this century we are past that crap.
But, with the million dollars it would of taken to get everyone out look at how much cost it would of saved in the end.
It took way to long IMO to get a reaction and to start helping them. The sick and the elderly suffered a lot in this. Many did not make it and most of it was on t.v.
It is a sad situation and I think that they should fight to have it rebuilt it is a home to many. Contaminated water will be a huge cost but again if the bodies were not floating in that water ????????
Ok… I can Agree Maybe Our President And our Federal Government Did not do a great Job… ( in many ways)…
> But I would just like to through this out there… <
IF Our Federal Government … WOULD had 'Trumped' The Local Government
Marched In to Louisiana….. Without Being asked By the Governor 1 ST … It becomes a very delicate situation…,
The Local Government Has the Power to make their Own Decision for the People in that state… With out Interference by the Federal Government ….
If we Loose That… Possible ~ Communism. [[ Anyone Remember “”Tiananmen Square? “” (I do) ]]…
So back to Point >>
President Bush Went on National TV 2 days AHEAD of the Storm touching N.O. … and “declares a state of Emergency in Louisiana .”
Thus Giving The Govenor the Freedom to Pull The National Guard IN to Evacuate the Citizens … AND to Give the Govenor the Right to ask for help from the Federal Government.
NONE was aked for Untill Hours After the Levee Broke.
Now where Predident Bush and Our Federal Government FAILED the Citizens .. Is the OVER-ALL Evacuation / Rescue / Aid …PREPAREDNESS. This Type Of Disaster Should had been anticipated .
Especially AFTER 9 /11 !!
Plus Even though The Govenor DID NOT ask for Help Before hand… President Bush Should had ANTICIPATED and Been READY to GO! Arriving With In hours!
As FAR as Race… I do Not Believe it that it was a factor… I will leave it with that said. . ______________________________________________________ . Trust in yourself and depend on not the Government for your means is what I learned from this. . ______________________________________________
The “Toxic water” is contaiminated with Way more the Human remains … Sewage , chemicals, on and on.
***Edited By: IVYdragonn on 9/11/2005 3:51:28 PM*** Reason: crt
Minor point here, but one that needs to be understood. Ivy is correct in all she stated.
The president of the United States, by our constitution can NOT force Federal assistance on any state nor can he send in troops without the request from the Gov. of the state
He offered, she did NOT accept. Politics aside, this is not one we can blame on Bush, no matter which party you are affliated with nor for whom you voted. And before you ask, I am no major Bush fan.
Again, to consider this a racial issue is not only wrong, it is obscene.
I didn't see one rescue person by-passing a person of a different race. Rescue personnel risked their own lives for total strangers they did not pause to consider race, age or social status. They rescued these total strangers in many cases while being shot at, and while living under conditions not much better than those of the folks they were there to save.
I agree it WAS a socio-economic situation to some degree and that those who were not able to afford their own method of evacuation in time were ignored by thier own local government.
There is also the fact that MANY who were given PLENTY of warning chose to ignore those warnings, CHOSE to ignore the mandatory evacuation edicts. Adding themselves to the toll and hampering rescue efforts by adding to the total which would have been far less had they heeded the warnings.
Fingerpointing and assigning blame will cintinue for years, certainly far longer than any clean up and rebuilding efforts.
Before we point or accuse, it is always best to check the facts first and not simply follow the lead of others who are not all that well informed.
And you're right. I can not even BEGIN to imagine the toll this is going to take on the environment and NOT just isolated to the Gulf areas either.
***Edited By: pyrmom on 9/11/2005 4:19:13 PM*** Reason: oops
One questions I wondered about--even if the busses were there to take all those who had no transportation--where would the buses have taken all those people? It seems there was no place to go. It is very sad and I feel for all those who lost so much.
I usually stay out of stuff like this..but I'd like to give my perspective on it.
The President is not first in line during a disaster. Local officials are the ones who take the bulk of aid and planning. During an emergency, the chain of command is in this order: mayor, the New Orleans director of Homeland Security (a political appointee of the governor who reports to the governor), the governor, the head of Homeland Security, THEN the president. There are many many people ahead of him.
Ray Nagin--mayor of New Orleans, had a FIVE day advance, and only issued the mandatory evacuation TWO days beforehand. On the O'Rielly factor, it was said that Ray Nagin had hundreds of buses at his disposal, yet did not provide transporation to those evacuating.
The governor, Kathleen Blanco, waited until two days AFTER the storm to take the federal troops that were offered to her.
The levees that broke are the responsibilty of the local landowners and local levee board to maintain, not the responsibilty of the federal government.
Nagin, and his administators screwed up big time. Nagin did not carry out the mandatory evacuation. In a city emergency preparedness plan, it's stated that he had the authority to use any and all services to evacuate all residents from the city. Maybe he forgot to read it. He had a 5 day warning to make people evacuate but chose to wait until the last minute.
569 buses, which were able to hold 33,350 people (in one trip) were ruined in the storm. Maybe Nagin should have used these buses before the storm to move those who had no way to evacuate.
I'm sooo sick of the whole race thing, so I'm not going to bother to comment on it. But I think it's pathetic that everytime anything happens people immediatly assume it's because of the race. It's not because you're black/white/pink/green, it's because you're being photographed pushing televisions down the street and running with clothes still on the hangers.
Everyone assumes that Bush is behind all of this, when in fact, there are many many people above him.
btw, I got a lot of this info from the newspaper and www.freerepublic.com
***Edited By: aceyfacey2 on 9/11/2005 4:26:40 PM*** Reason: xoxo
Very well stated Acey and also very informative and more detail than I went into as far as responsibility.
Another thing for those who wish to make it a racial issue, please check the ethnics/race of those local officials who IMO are guilty of hundreds of counts of negligent homicide.
All too sad, but true Pearl. Evidently, it has been reported that she had some issues with the Pres. Too bad she let them get in the way of saving her citizens.
While we are all well aware that there is no site promotion allowed here, I AM providing this link with the pertinent questions with the legal answers. I hope that those who want to know how this could have happened take the time to read the information. This is not based on opinion, this gives the specific laws covering this and the sequence of events that must be followed in the chain of command.
we can all go back and look at the , shoulda, coulda, woulda of the whole mess. whats done is done. all we can do now is help the survivors. adults, children and animals. people that incorporate race into it, are just looking for someone to place blame on. no human being directed that hurricane to hit a particular area. there was no "target" to her path of destruction. it is called a natural disaster. if there are those looking to place blame...then place it on mother nature. yes, our government could have handled things differently, yes they could have gotten there faster. but those are things that we as civilians have no control over. we can only be held accountable when we stand before god, for our own actions. all we can do now , as fellow human beings, is help in any way we can. food, clothes. money, shelter and/or volunteering are all things that are in desperate need . lets not dwell on what shoulda been or worry about whats gonna happen down the road. lets concentrate on what we can do to help most, and that time is now.
I certainly don't know who is at fault and appreciate all the pertinent info you guys provided. The only thing I do know is someone somewhere really screwed up and I hope they are held accountable for the innocent life lost. Yes, some thought it would be an adventure, some were so comfortable in their environment they did not want to leave. But there were many to poor, ill and demented to be able to make a choice. Apparently someone decided they were expendable. This may have been a conscious choice or just neglect and lack of vision.