Here, you have to pay a heaftier license fee for pitts, as with any dog deemed to be dangerous (has bitten, attacked, or killed). I wouldn't mind paying an extra $205 to own one, and I probably would have a pitt, if I hadn't rescued Rocky instead. At least here we can still own them.
"Awesome! Good luck with that whole homeowner's insurance thing."
Unfortunately this is the truth for a lot of big dogs not only pitts. We have been lucky enough to find one that does not have a breed specific policy (don't want to advertise so pm me if you need it).
While purchasing our home we were told to simply not to tell them about the breed or tell them she's a mixed... sad but that is what most big dogs (that are seen as "aggressive") have to go through.
I wonder what an actual "agressive breed" rescue or breeders must go through to obtain insurance, if they can even get any???
In my previous reply, I spoke of a purebred staffordshire bull terrier, name Sampson. He is registered as a boxer tho. I have a lot of friends who have pitts, most of them purebred. Its easy to tell a vet that a dog is a mixed or a different breed such as an American Bulldog, or a boxer when its still a puppy, and as long as you have vet papers that say the "pitt" is a different breed, the city cant force you to pay a dangerous dog license. If BSL hit my province and I wanted a pitt, I'd go lie to protect my dog, wouldn't most of you? And I'm sure lots of people do this.
azynda , thank you for your post . i couldn't have said it better myself. as a pit lover and owner ,having owned 5 dogs in the last 10 years , all of my dogs have been gentle , loving dogs to humans alike. one of my females does not care for other dogs and i take great care to insure she would never hurt another dog.part of responsible dog ownership is to educate your self on the breed you are interested in.
I amused myself. I was about to reply when I continued reading and realized it was an old thread and I had ALREADY replied. What was amusing is that I was going to say the very same thing that I said the first time I replied, exactly one year ago. LOL
ANYWAY.... (I'll change it up some.) I still love my pit bull. He still loves all people.He still doesn't like dominant dogs. I do not give him the opportunity to hurt other dogs.
"Be who you are and say what you feel. Because those that matter, don't mind...And those that mind....don't matter."
I own 22 American Pit Bull Terriers and I have raised them for the past four years. None of my pits have ever bit anyone or anyone else's dog, because I am a responsible dog owner. All my pits live in pens, the pens are concreted with drains. The pens have shelters built over them, and my dogs have dog houses. The dog pens are cleaned every day. The pens have been re-inforced with a heavy gage wire all the way around them. Some pens that house pits that can jump really high, have wired tops. My whole back yard is fenced in with a six foot fence and barbed wire around the top. I have beware of dog signs and no trespassing signs. All my dogs have had all their rabies shots. All my dogs get wormed and treated for fleas. My dogs recieve fresh food and water everyday. My dogs get excercise daily. I have raised all of my 22 pit bulls since they were 8 weeks old.
Pit Bulls are generally non-people aggresive dogs, but they have a natural animal aggression. Pit bulls were originally bred to be used for war, bull baiting, bear baiting, horse baiting, lion baiting, and dog fighting. People who participated in "bating" and dog fighting, enjoyed watching blood sports and liked to gamble. Baiting and dog fighting are illegal. Dog fighting is a felony in 48 states and a misdemeanor in 2 states. Dog fighting should be a felony in all 50 states.
In the early 20th century pitbulls became a national symbol. Remember the dog for World War 1, all those pit bull posters? A pit bull mix named Stubby emerged from World War 1 as a national hero. Stubby was decorated by General Pershing, and was awarded the rank of honarary sergent and he was recieved by three presidents. He led more parades than any other dog in history. Petey from the Little Rascals was the next pit bull that captured America's heart. Petey's UKC name was Lucenay's Peter. A pit bull named Weela was named Ken-L Ration's Dog Hero of the Year in 1993. People who have owned pit bulls include: Thomas Edison(inventor), Sir Walter Scott(author), Theodore Roosevelt(U.S. President),Fred Astaire(actor), James Caan(actor), Jack Dempsey(heavyweight champion), Helen Keller(handicapped), Micheal J. Fox(actor), and Jan Micheal Vincent(actor). Why don't pit bulls ever recieve credit for the good things that they do?
When people buy pit bulls they are not aware of how much time and training they require. As a breeder I feel obligated to educate my customers about the pit bull breed. I try to sell pit bulls to people who are going to be responsible dog owners.
The media has turned the pit bull breed into monsters, because pit bull attacks make great stories. Virtually every dog attack is labeled as a pit bull attack and the publicity has caused citizens to be convinced that these "killer" dogs need to be purged from society. What the media does not tell you: 1) Is the dog a full blooded pit bull or a pit mix? 2) Was the dog abused, neglected, or fought? Was the dog properly fed and watered? 3)Did the dog owner have a criminal history? 4) Has the dog ever attacked anyone before? 5) Did the dog attack occur on the dog owner's property? 6)Was the dog ever given anything like gunpowder, drugs, or steroids, or anything that could alter its mind? 7)Was the dog owner responsible? In my opinion the media only tells you half of the story. 8) Did the dog have a history of human aggression? What about all the other dog attacks caused by other breeds of dogs? Why don't we ever hear about those? Because they are not interesting.
Alot of people have misconceptions about pit bulls. For example, their jaws lock. Scientific studies has been conducted, and no evidence has been found proving that pit bull can lock their jaws. Before people listen to the media, they should do their own research and find out their own truth. Education classes should be made available to the public about pit bulls to seperate facts and myths.
I do not agree with specific breed ban legislature, because it punishes good responsible dog owners. Places where certain dog breeds have been banned, still have dog attacks, the numbers haven't decreased any. So obviously this proves that breed ban doesn't work. People who own banned dogs become outlaws. If pit bulls were banned, don't you think that people who fight dogs would just find a new breed to fight? How it is constitutional that the government can take away my right to own a certain dog, because irresponsible people have made a bad name for pit bulls? I just don't think breed banning is the solution.
Maybe the government should try:
Stricter laws should be enforced on dog breeders, so that everyone that up and decides to be a breeder can't be. A responsible breeder would try to take precautions to try to prevent yard accidents from happening. For example,checking a chain's swivel or worn chain links and repairing them so the chain doesn't break. A responsible breeder would make sure that all of their dogs have had rabies vaccinations. A responsible breeder would make sure that all of their dogs have had all five of their seven way shots to prevents diseases on their yard. A responsible breeder would provide their dogs with worm and flea treatments. A responsible breeder would try to educate their customers about the type of dog they are purchasing. Most people don't understand that it take alot of time and money to raise dogs. Understand that everyone who calls theirself a dog breeder, is not a true dog breeder. When you go to buy a dog from someone look at their yard... Do the dogs have food and water? Do all of the dogs look healthy? Is the dogs living environment clean and safe? Do the dogs live in pens or on chains? Do the dogs have adequate shelter in case of a natural disaster? Don't just buy a dog from anyone who calls theirself a dog breeder, do some investigating first...
I think that leash laws should be enforced. Keep your dog on a leash, in a pen, in a crate in your house while your not home. Do not let your dog wander the neighborhood because regardless of what kind of breed it is it will be an aggrevation to people who don't like dogs. Leash laws protect your pet from getting hurt (ex. runover, shot for being in someone else's yard,etc...)Leash laws prevent your pet from hurting other people or other people's pets.
Stricter dog fighting laws should be enforced... Give dog fighters more fines, more community service, more probation, more prison time... Design laws that make the consequences worse than the monetary gain of dog fighting, so it will discourage people from participating in illegal activities.
Irresponsible dog owners should be held responsible for their dogs actions...
Before you pass judgement on me or start verbally attacking me for the things I have said just take them into consideration. I just don't understand how pit bulls were once national heros and now due to irresponsible owners they are being banned. Pit bulls are one of the most mistreated dogs in the world and still they get the worst reputation. Due some research on pit bulls so you will find out the truth for yourself. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion...
If you have any questions about pit bulls or their temperment contact the ATTS ot the American Temperment Test Society, Inc. It is a society that gives temperment tests to dogs. The website is www.atts.org. You will be suprised what you find out. Pit bulls pass their temperment tests better than a lot of other dog breeds.
OffTheChainKennels You have touched the surface of the situation with the pitbulls but characterizing them as heros is hardly the way to describe the breed. They are what they are! Physiologically speaking they are a killing machine. But then so are most canine breeds! The real difference comes in the tremendous "bite" and jaw strength they have. Thus the term "locking jaw". The biggest difference is the intrinsic behavior mechanism that exists in the breed as a whole. They are more capable and more likely to do damage in their assertation of pack placement than are most any other dogs. Most all situations of "good" pitbull gone bad are due to the ignorance of the owners. Just because a pit is good around your family and maybe even your other dogs doesn't mean it is harmless. Every pitbull is potentially dangerous if breed aggression is aggravated and left unchecked. This is the same with any breed it is just that pitbulls have a delicate balance that they must learn to keep in check themselves and there are only two ways for them to learn this. 1. Naturally where they are inflicted with a tremendous amount of pain in conjunction with the release of such aggression from a natural source. (such as nearly losing their life in a dog fight or in an attack) 2. Logically where they are raised, trained and handled in such a way to resist and extinguish the temptation and desire to show aggression before it compounds into a demonstration. As a breeder with this many of the dogs around you have had to use the logical approach as the natural one is rather inhumane. I have been a dog behaviorist for many years and behavior wise they are extremely simple creatures and their willingness to adapt human type habits and qualities is why they are such good pets and companions. You are very correct is pointing the finger at the owners but in most circumstances the owners want the breed for the very reason it is dangerous and then they do not know how much work it takes to handle such an animal. This is the reason for the laws dealing with the breed the way they have. I have provided professional witness testimony and evaluation on many, many pitbull situations and in my day to day business I also see quite a few of them and it is rare that I can point at one and say it is a bad dog and needs to be put down! Most of the stories contained in this post are perfect examples of why most people should not own pits! They have them and rather than modifying and containing the aggressive behavior they want to excuse it with a label like: "It doesn't like dominant dogs?" That is an excuse for not teaching your dog to accept differences in its environment!!! A well trained and handled Pit can be as gentle as any other dog. But a pit in any fashion other than that is simple a killing machine waiting to be released on its prey!
Go to www.youtube.com. Type in "hero dogs" or "the truth about pit bulls" or "save a pit bull" See for yourself how pit bull are one of the world's most mistreated breed of dogs but they still recieve the worst reputation.
***Edited By: OffTheChainKennels on 5/14/2007 12:28:02 PM*** Reason: visit www.youtube.com
Okay I gave you too much credit in the first post! You raise pits but obviously do not understand how to properly condition the dogs so that the dog understands that even though it may seem to be a natural reaction to be "food Agressive" it is unacceptable!!! No if and or butts about it!!! You talk about your dogs growling at friends and holding them off!! That shows your ignorance!!! If in deed these were aggressive moves on your dogs part they are unacceptable unless your dog has had a tremendous amount of training as a personal or property protection dog! These behaviors should not be taken lightly especially from a Pit! You defend them by saying it was in your house or on your property. You know that really doesn't matter!!! I have provided professional witness testimony in many cases where "good" dogs like yours, have attacked or bitten people who were essentially tresspassing and almost always the court will find in favor of the person bitten! Sometimes it has even been a robbery attempt but because the actions of the dog were uncontrolled and random, much like your dogs reactions the way you described them. I won't mention how many time we are unable to save the dog because of the ignorance of its owner!!! Let me give you some straight up advice: You must get your dogs conditioned to control the aggression period, no room for exception with pitbulls because of their reputation, deserved or not! What you have is not a dog protecting you or your property but a liability waiting for an opportunity to demonstrate the ignorance of the dogs owner and end up being put down because of it!!! What if a child wondered into your house and the dog growled at the little child and the child being scared screamed and ran? The natural "prey" instinct you say will kick in and the dog will attack. The child will struggle against the dog and more instinct will kick in and you will have a huge law suit and possibly a dead child and most certainly the dog will be KILLED!!! All because of your ignorance!!!! Now maybe I've jumped the gun! Maybe your dogs are properly trained but I highly doubt it from you comments about "food aggresion" which only exists in untrained dogs! Please stop commenting you are hurting your breed and adding to it's "bad" reputation. Stop and think before you tell these little stories because as a breeder your story could end up on the wrong side of the court case!!! Please save the pitbulls by understanding them and what it takes to control them!!!
Dr. You are not understanding what I'm saying at all. Your taking my words and twisting them. It sounds like to me that your just trying to be difficult, so I'm not going to argue with you. But know this:
All I try to do is educate people about how to prevent certain type of dog attacks. I never said that when pit bulls attack people or other animals that is acceptible. But when it comes to dogs sometimes people don't use common sense. I think that most all attacks can be avoided.
First of all no little child can not wonder up in my yard because I have a 6 ft fence in the front yard and a six foot fence with a barbed wire top in the back yard. I lock all of my gates with pad locks to keep peole out. My dogs live in kennels inside of a surrounding fence. A little child couldn't get to one of my pits if they wanted to. In order for a little child to get into my back yard they would have to climb a six foot fence with a barbed wire top. Also my fences have a green lattice like privacy things in them, I don't see how you could climb a fence with that. They could not crawl under the fence because it is cemented all the way around the bottom. Little children are not usually strong enough to use bolt cutters. Parents are supposed to be watching their little children. My mother didn't let me run around the neighbor when I was little. I forgot to mention the fact that I have two security cameras in my back yard and one in the front yard. The way I designed my kennel was proper and it comforts the few neighbors that I do have. Second of all if I have a pit in the house with me and I let it out to use the bathroom or outside at all, I'm sitting on the front porch watching my dog, and my dog is using the bathroom in a fenced in yard. I have fences all the way around my entire yard. My dogs are supervised all of the time. I stay home during the day and go to school at night. My boyfriend works during the day and he is home while I'm at school at night. I have owned pits for four years and they have never bit anyone at all. Third of all I live out in the country so I really don't have that many neighbors. There is 6ft deep canal that seperates me from most of them and a wooded little forest area. The little children are not going to crawl through a huge ditch just to get to my house. My neighbors don't even have little children all of their kids are at least ten and up. Children ten and up happened to be able to read the No Tresspassing Signs and Beware of Dog Signs. For the past fours years me and my dogs have stayed in my yard, my neighbor and their older children have stayed in their yard. There is only one family that lives by me, all of the rest of the people are middle aged to old.
By saying that I have a totally fenced in yard, I'm not saying that my dogs are vicious. All dogs regardless of breed have the potential to hurt someone. I try to prevent people from stealing my dogs or trying to poison my dogs because they are pit bulls. I prefer pens instead on chains. I do not feel like my dogs should roam free so that they can aggrevate my neighbors or people who don't like dogs. My dogs are never human aggressive, when I'm around. If a stranger entered my property without me being present, I don't think that my dogs would be too happy. Customers who come to buy pups can pet my dogs as long as I am around. I have fences because I do not want my neighbor's animals coming into my yard and possibly getting hurt. I like to keep my dogs in my yard by using fences, and I like to keep people who have no business being in my yard out of my yard by using fences.
If someone is breaking into my house, if I feel in danger for my life, I have the right to bear arms. I also have a security alarm system that will call the police directly for me incase of an emergency. The robber better be worried about the owner instead of the dog. After seeing my sercurity alarm warning sign, my beware of dog signs, and no tresspassing signs if someone broke in to my house then they are a total idiot. In order for someone to break in my house they would have to climb a 6 ft fence or have some bolt cutters. Then they would have to open my door without triggering my alarm. Oh and while they were doing all this, they would be on video tape.
It is rediculous that a criminal can break into a dog owners house to rob them or hurt them and the home owners dog can be put down for trying to protect their owner or family. That really shoves it and breaks it off. I guess because you have provided testimony at a trial you are an expert in law. Where I live if a dog bites someone but it has had its rabies shots, it will not instantly be put down. It can be quarantined. If a dog killed someone then yes it would probably be put down. So if indeed my house got broke into by a complete idiot, and that idiot had a weapon in his possession, I seriously doubt that my dog would be put down. Because that idiot did not have a weapon, if he was not going to use it. Also where I live the laws on breaking into a occupied dwelling state that if the intruder has a weapon that homeowner has a right to bear arms meaning that they could kill the intruder. The home owner would still have to go to court to prove his innocence.The intruder's family might sue, but in my case they probably would not have a legal leg to stand on. So I don't think really think that if my dog bit an intruder with a weapon it would be put down. My dog might get shot by the idiot. I have alot of pull in my community. My grandparents are well to do. My mother works in law enforcement. My cousin is a judge. I am a decent 22 year old woman without a criminal record, so a judge probably would not order my dog to be put down. I am going to school to be a part of law enforcement. All my dogs have had their rabies shots and they have never bit a human at all and have no history what so ever of violence towards humans or their animals.
The reason why the dog on the bed growled at my boyfriend. Um it was completely dark, I was sleeping. He did not say anything when he came in the house. The dog did not know that it was him. I held her because I was woke up during the commotion and I knew it was him. He called her name and turned the bedroom light on. When the dog realized that it was my boyfriend, she calmed right down.
The reason why the other dog growled at my friend who entered my house was because the only time that my friend had ever been around that dog was when the dog was a little puppy. The dog was not familiar with my friend. If you have been around a dog when it was a small puppy once or twice, chances are when it grows up to be two years old - it is not going to remember you. When I showed the dog that my friend was an ok person, the dog was fine. All my other friends that spend quite a deal of time at my house could walk right it my door and pet my dog.
Most of the time if you go to a persons house who owns a dog that is not familiar with you - you don't just open up the door and walk right in. If my friend had of knocked or rang the door bell and my dog would have seen me open the door and allow my friend to come inside - the dog wouldn't have growled at her at all. My friend was old enough to read the beware of dog signs.
Its a well known fact that most dogs, regardless of breed dogs do not like strangers. My dogs happen to be more territorial in my house or in my backyard or in my jeep. Most dogs are this way. I can take my dogs out in public where there are people or other dogs and they will act fine. The key word is public.
I took one of my dogs to the local strawberry festival, he was better behaved that all the little dogs running around. He knew how to sit on command. He knew how to stay. He knew all his basic commands. If another dog owner walked by I would either walk my dog in another direction or hold my dog's leash really tight and command him to sit or stay. That is only showing common courtesy. He did not once try to harm a person or another dog. He would even allow people and children who he did not know pet him. He was out in public.
You don't know me or my dogs and you are passing judgment. I have a diploma in cosmetology and right now I'm in school for an associates degree in general education and a batchelors in criminal justice. So please don't sit there and lecture me like I'm ignorant.
My vets, my customers, my family, my friends, and everyone that knows me can tell you that I'm a responsible dog owner.
I seriously doubt that you have ever owned a pit bull. I would not be surprised if you don't even own a dog. You are not a veternarian. I am willing to bet that you have had more negative experiences than you have had good. The fact that you are an animal behavior specialist does not really make you an expert on one just one particular type of dog. The animal category is very vast. I don't get the idea that pit bulls are your favorite breed of dog.
Do me a favor - Don't respond to anymore of my posts and don't send me anymore messages. I don't go and find your posts and sit there and attack them. If I owned any other breed of dog, you probably would not be attacking me. Sorry that we got off on the wrong foot. I prefer not to talk to you because you misunderstand everything that I say and I misunderstand everything that you say. If I try to explain myself you will probably misunderstand that too.. So lets be grown ups and simply leave each other alone...
***Edited By: OffTheChainKennels on 5/14/2007 10:38:47 PM*** Reason: A misunderstanding that needs to be clarified...
We live in the country, so I don't take my dogs to the park. They have plenty of room to run out here, but my son was at the neighbors when he ws 9. (about 5 yrs ago) The neighbor had lengthened the dogs chain by 10 ft. My son walked into their yard as usual, to see the kids that lived there. The dog came up from under a parked car and bit my son. he tore a gash in his arm, and then when my son fell and started to roll away from the dog, he grabbed his leg and bit it. I know this owner was using his dog to fight other dogs, and the pit was trained to be aggressive. I am just very glad that my son knew to get away from him, and that it wasn't any worse than it was. the owner took the dog out of the county so that we couldn't have him put down. It is people like this man that are causing Pit Bulls to have a bad reputation.