i wonder how it would "fly", if i went on a political forum and talked about my pets ? hhmmm think i will try it just to see what happens. no one should be offended, after all they do not have to click on it . right ?
Dusty, why would they be offended? Posters on many message boards, not about pets, use pictures of their own pets as their avatars. A great ice-breaker, really. My other special interest sites make everyone else accessible by e-mail. This one doesn't seem to. They also have special sections for off-topic topics, which this one also doesn't seem to. TP is taking on elements of a community, there's a safety and comfort level that makes people want to talk about whatever's hugely on their minds. If it had been going in 2001, you can bet there would have been threads dedicated to talking about the planes crashing into WTC and the Pentagon. Saddam Hussein's hanging is also huge, the kind of huge that has people worried about what intended and unintended events will flow from it.
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dusty, that is correct. You have started plenty of off topics in your time here.
TM, we were already fighting with Saddam BEFORE 9/11. People seem to have forgotten that. We were fighting with Osama, according to everyone because of 9/11, when Saddam decided that it was a perfect time to try and invae Kuwait, in which we stepped in and said 'no, I don't think so' and pushed him back, in which he had Kuwaits oil burned. That is how this latest scramble with him happened. But everyone seems to forget that we were ALREADY fighting with him prior to 9/11
Let's face it war is ugly. That is why it's called war and not the passing of the flower petals or play time in another country. Many of our service men and women have died and will continue. Wether we are at war or during times of so called peace, service men and women will die in the line of duty.
I have the upmost respect for those that are ready, willing and able to serve in any branch of the military. I have a friend that is currently deployed. A family member recently returned. My grandfather toured in Vietnam, the truth of his actions during that war were not revealed until after he passed away (he was not a medic as he said). My grandmother fled her home country of Guam shortly after the bombing, she lost her father and a brother in that bombing.
Now for my opinion: I am pro capital punishment...it was stated earlier "eye for an eye" "do unto to others as you want done unto you" In the US I feel there should be less appeals for those sentenced to death by a jury of their peers. In other countries I feel that it is their country and they have the right to make and enforce their own laws. I believe Saddam got the punishment he deserved however late.
There are times when I feel the US needs to butt out of the business of other countries and times when I feel our government is doing the right thing. Going after Saddam was the right thing to do, his reign of terror needed to be stopped. Going after Bin Ladin is the right thing to do. I completely agree with the song done by Toby Keith in regards to 9/11.
I do not know all details surrounding every war, altercation or tiff the US has been involved in, nor will I ever. I do not sit and read or watch all reports put out by the press, most are simply directed by the interpretation of the reporter. I however have faith in our country and will continue to support President Bush. As for the next President...time will tell.
There will always be a divide in the US in regards to political views. Every one is entitled to their opinions wether it be about polotics, and this has been mine.
just seems that this has turned into sooo many pages and gotten nowhere. people believe what they are going to believe. period. saddam is gone. over and done. and katz. no, i have not started alot of off topic threads. i really do not start many threads at all. and i certainly see that this topic has been well hashed out and no one has changed anyones point of view on the subject. do you think another 163 post may do the trick ?
Q Mr. President, in your speeches now you rarely talk or mention Osama bin Laden. Why is that? Also, can you tell the American people if you have any more information, if you know if he is dead or alive? Final part -- deep in your heart, don't you truly believe that until you find out if he is dead or alive, you won't really eliminate the threat of --
THE PRESIDENT: Deep in my heart I know the man is on the run, if he's alive at all. Who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not; we haven't heard from him in a long time. And the idea of focusing on one person is -- really indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission.
Terror is bigger than one person. And he's just -- he's a person who's now been marginalized. His network, his host government has been destroyed. He's the ultimate parasite who found weakness, exploited it, and met his match. He is -- as I mentioned in my speech, I do mention the fact that this is a fellow who is willing to commit youngsters to their death and he, himself, tries to hide -- if, in fact, he's hiding at all.
So I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you. I'm more worried about making sure that our soldiers are well-supplied; that the strategy is clear; that the coalition is strong; that when we find enemy bunched up like we did in Shahikot Mountains, that the military has all the support it needs to go in and do the job, which they did.
Trauma mama, please don't call me dear, sorry, I just don't like it. Nothing personal
As far as when he invaded Kuwait, I had that wrong, I wrote it out wrong, but people do seem to forget that BECAUSE of that and other issues as well, we were ALREADY fighting with Saddam when 911 happened. His capture and Death were warranted, if anything, it would be highly IMMORAL to not end his reign.
I agree that it is a topic that we will probably never agree on. I hope that Al Gore runs for President again. He would be looking at much better issues then this.
I am done. I guess I am agreeing to disagree as I will not change my mind on the matter that he deserved to die and that this war, although sad and unfortunate, IS necessary.
just for some clarification, off topics are allowed on this forum, AS LONG AS the majority of the threads remain on topic. once the new forum is put into place, there will be an off topic section for threads like this one and others. for now, as long as this remains a civil discussion, as it has thus far, it shall remain. if people feel the topic has been hashed and rehashed, and there is nothing left to be said, then the thread will die a natural death, like so many on topic threads eventually do. until then carry on, it has been very interesting, for me at least.
Katz, should our govt not be held responsible for funding Saddam, and giving him the very agents he killed people with? Have you even read any of the links or stuff I put out there? Saddam and Bush were pretty chummy.
If you gave your neighbor a baseball bat and he killed a puppy with it, would you step up to plate and tell the cops that you gave him that weapon? Or would you turn away, deny it happened and do everything you could to help the police put him away, without EVER admitting your role in it?
ah yes, scout...interesting stuff indeed...are we getting a new forum? I think it would be awesome....
I am american. I am proud and I have a son serving in the military and I want to question why things are as they are....as a mother, I want to know. I believe I can support the troops and still not support the war...How could I turn away from my son? I cant! As an american I want to know....altho, with Patriot act, even my questioning the govt, I now can be considered a terrorist....
I have that file too, if you want to see that.....
From what I have been told, the 'funding' for Saddam was when he was considered to be 'with' us.
Any funding that happened after he was no longer considered 'with' us, should be explained, however, whether we funded him or not, just because someone is given something, it is UP TO THEM what they do with it.
In your analogy, yes I would tell the police that I gave the bat. That does not make me an accomplice, just ignorant. Hence, our government.
Common sense says not to fund other countries, common sense tells us that we should not be buying oil from other countries when we are MORE then capable of taking care of ourselves, common sense tells us that we are killing our planet with Co2, common sense tells us so much but yet, no one is listening to common sense.
If people cannot do alot of the basics using common sense(smoking=bad, drinking&driving=bad, etc) how can we expect anyone to do things that require a small amount more common sense?
As a Canadian I always find this a little confusing. Doesn't anyone remember why Bush initially want to go into Iraq? Initially was it to "free the people from this horrible leader?". To free the people of this foreign country of their terrorist leader? Nooo....if you remember it was because this country harboured "weapons of mass destruction" and was a threat to the world. THAT'S why he went in. I remember it well. I remember having torn feelings about Canada's decision to help or not help. Was the reason for going in ever realized? Suddenly once they were in and no weapons of mass destruction were found,it's never brought up again...the story changed to this became a fight to "free the people"...no one talks about why Bush said he needed to start this war to begin with anymore. How did this war get turned into a humanitarian effort?
Oh Keesha they found some WMD in Iraq, but ironically it traced back to the same biologicals WE gave him years ago. Our country is every bit as responsible for the deaths of people over there as Saddam was. (I have a link to it somewhere buried in these 9 pages!)
See, thing is....there are alot more countries out there with WMD....Look at Korea doing nuclear testing in definance of the world...
Why arent we going over there?
Simply put, there aint no oil over there!
The Iraq war is all about all the big players in Carlsyle group and Halliburton who have hands in the oil and rebuilding business.
I am glad, Keesha that you see what some of us see here in the US.