To all of you who have preach endlessly to me and others about the joys of rescuing and what horrible human beings people are who buy a dog from a breeder (especially a non-purebred), I want you to know just how hard it has been for me to try. I have been for months trying to find a Shih Tzu young male dog or preferably, a Shih Tzu – Bichon mix (because I unapologetically like them) preferably to rescue. I will not and cannot travel states away to check any out, nor will I adopt long distance sight unseen. I just refuse to make this big of a decision without personally seeing and evaluating the dog first, plus I’m disabled and need someone to travel with me to help with mobility – which isn’t always possible. So – I have been looking locally, within a couple hours of my home. I check the local shelter listings and the rescues every day. I have an application in with the only Shih Tzu Rescue group around, which has contacted me once about maybe taking two dogs at once, but I really only want one for marital peace reasons. Only one Shih Tzu has shown up at the local Humane Societies during the last several months and was claimed before I could get there – which was at the opening of the shelter the next day after my husband saw the listing. I not only would take a mix, I prefer one, yet all those small dog mixes you folks talk about getting dumped en masse because they’re “mutts” aren’t showing up around here and if they do, they are instantly adopted. So much for the unwanted mutts you all talk about. They're pretty popular. Yesterday afternoon I got an email from the Shih Tzu Rescue telling me that a vet about an hour from my home had received a large number of dogs which were confiscated from an unlicensed puppy mill. He was giving the vet care and then adopting out the dogs at no charge at all. Among the dogs were 2 of exactly what I want - the mix – and several purebred Shih Tzu males. I called all the contact numbers as soon as I got the email but no one responded. I left messages at each number multiple times during the day and even sent an e-mail. No response. I tried again this morning and now there’s a message at the number stating that almost all the dogs have been adopted already and to call the vet, which now they gave a number for. I called the vet. Almost all the dogs are gone, including all the ones I was interested in. Several more dogs came in to be processed, but they won’t tell me what they are. It makes little difference, because I have no doubt that they, too, will be gone by the time I can even find out anything. It's not easy to find the right dog if you have special needs and want to rescue. Like I keep discussing but no one ever addresses without being hostile and accusatory, some of the shelters and rescues have ridiculously stringent and unreasonable rules about adoption that exclude many potential wonderful adoptive families. This is a real problem that costs untold numbers of dogs their lives. I’m hoping that this post isn’t deleted as being “unproductive” according to the board censors because it conflicts with their wishes of what they want everyone to know or think. It’s a good thing I have a deposit on a “mutt” that is going to cost me a few hundred dollars, because I can’t get a dog to rescue because other people always beat me to it. I'm hoping my fortunes change, but at this point, I'm expecting to pay out big bucks to buy "Boswell" by the end of next month.
Congratulations on supporting puppymillers and backyard breeders. You must be very proud.
Here's a clue, since you seem to need one. The world does not revolve around what you want. Most people who work in rescue have real jobs and families. They are not sitting around waiting for you to call. You are typical of the "I want it and I want it now" generation. As you mature, you will find yourself in for a real surprise.
Wow, your post is just littered with insults and hostility. To tell you the truth, I could only stomach to skim through it... all I heard was a bunch of frustration and "blah blah blah"s. My head just doesn't want to deal with it.
Houndz, I agree with this comment to an extent "You are typical of the "I want it and I want it now generation."
The need for instant gratification is not limited to generations. I am 24 years old and thankfully I know better, which is to be expected when someone gathers information and makes educated choices. Like everyone else, I still have so much to learn and I certainly wasn't born knowing what I know...
I am also researching a puppy. I have been doing so for months as well. I estimate that I will have said puppy, within the next year or two. I am taking my time in looking at the breeders I feel comfortable with, producing the dogs that I feel happy with.
I have also looked into rescues or the particular breed, and still have not ruled that out. And honestly, I am a bit nervous as I am sure everyone who is familiar with rescue is, of getting a dog that has issues thanks to humans and their influence/lack of. That is not what is stopping me. I will tell you what makes me hesitant...
As I said, I have learned a lot in the time since I got my first dog as an adult. He is 4 years old now, his breeder is the only breeder I do not even have contact with to this day. 4 years ago, I didn't know very much about a lot of things. Now that I do, I feel that it is something I owe to my other two and also a special experience of researching and finding this puppy.
It takes time, sure. It takes patience and a good idea of what you should be looking for in the first place. I had to familiarize my self with some of the issues that plague my breed of choice, and go on to find breeders that actually test to be sure it is not in their dogs from there. Plus there are my personal preferences like, what kind of feel do I get from this person? How are the dogs they raise and keep as pets treated/viewed?
Same as when I am shopping for something for my home. I want to research the best possible brand, what will work best for me, others people who have tried the products opinions etc..
I am in no hurry as I already have several animals that I dearly love, but there is always room for one more and I really want to experience this.
I do not have any children yet, but I am sure when I am ready I will do my homework and get myself educated on that too before screaming about wanting a baby, and just in a moment of weakness getting myself knocked up.
The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike, than those who think differently.-Friedrich Nietzsche
I remember some of your past posts. If you want to start another "unproductive" thread, you gave it a good start with your tone. No one in life said that obtaining ANYTHING would be easy. If you were told that, I'm sorry, but that person(s) gave you the wrong information. I searched and waited for over a year to purchase my Charlie. That includes searching for an AKC purebred, being interviewed and being placed on a waiting list. Also I wanted a female but was given the oppurtunity for a male or no dog at all. I elected to go with the male and he has been the best dog I have ever had. His AKC name is Calmarra Sir Charlie Grail. Why is Grail placed in his name? Because of the search for this particular dog.
So boo-hoo that your perfect selection didn't fall out of the sky onto your lap. Hopefully the expensive mutt you will probably end up with at the end of the month won't be too big a disappointment to you.
I like him a lot better than I like most people. To you he's a dog. TO me he's an adopted son who is short, hairy, walks on all fours and doesn't speak clearly. I have no problem with any of these. <
I'm also 24. I looked long and hard for a breeder. We've talked for 4 months. If I'm lucky I'll have a puppy within a year maybe if it all goes well. But many of us had to research and ~wait~. You are the people that keep millers and bybs going in your need to have it right this minute.
Great role model, but then again aren't you the one with the hissy fit about 'chiweenies'? Oi.
Buying a puppy is not a "this one is cute lets get it". you need to look into the breeds you are thinking about getting and talk with diffrent breeders. We looked for over a year befor we got bullwinkle. You can ask anyone on here about my searching for a dog. we looked into many diffrent breeds, tryed to adopt a few dogs, talked to alot of breeders, and asked alot of questions.
Just because you cant get this one or that one from a rescue does not mean you cant get another one, some will split up pairs if they cant find someoneto take them both.
Im in missouri and our shelters are filled with alot of hounds and husky mixes. But I was able to find a few bichons and bichon mixes along with a PB shih tzu and a shih tzu mix.
Go to pet finder put in your zip and the breed you want and I bet you will find something.
sence we are telling ages Ill add that im 23
I'm gonna trade this life for fortune and fame I'd even cut my hair and change my name
Gopmama will not be able to reply to you for 24 hours. I'm not locking, nor am I deleting this thread. I have a feeling it is going to be very productive.
Since you are not receiving PMs, I was unable to send you one to notify you of the 24 hour time out for repeated rude, nasty and hostile comments. Hopefully you will be able to treat others with a bit more respect when you return.
***Edited By: pyrmom on 2/22/2007 4:17:57 PM*** Reason: *correct user name
"Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful".
kudos to the suspension... (as I think that will give time for thought and cooling off. Maybe)
This is however a very thought provoking post though... Really ruffles the fur a bit to all of us dog lovers, in that it states the exact personality that should avoid rescue animals and possibly even any animal to begin with... as any animal needs time and patience to adjust no matter what age or breed
Or it is a perfectly fine person with limitations that can not find what they are looking for in the rescue system and would like to adopt an animal in the near future.
Something that is hard to argue, is that small dogs are a premium in shelters and rescues and are normally adopted very quickly. Unless they have huge problems.
This could be a person that just wants a dog. She is not the first nor the last to express frustration in the adoption system. It seems like if people really wanted to save as many dogs as possible they would have very few restrictions on families and just make sure the animals they adopt out were altered and micro-chipped.
Turning people away doesn't stop anyone in this country from getting a pet, they just go buy one. It just stops an animal from being adopted.
Boxers are like cookies you can't have just one :)
What turning away does stop, respectfully, is people that may not have really thought about the consequences of simply getting a dog.
We have many families that come into the shelter with hopes of finding a small dog, not realizing we have a 3 page waiting list of people whose homes have already been screened as good potential adoptors.
By simply asking to be placed on a list and allowing for paper work and screening you are allowing the volunteers to be aware that you are really are deserving. Upon acceptance patient and deserving owners usually recieve a dog in 3mos - 1yr. Many of these dogs we have to get vetrinary care for to alter or give medications to and then see to it that their behavior is checked. It is a long process but in the end, most will tell you this is very worth while.
By using a negative tone and then giving the excuse that you are just going to buy one instead... it doesn't get you very far in the rescue world.
azynda is exactly right. Putting your name on a waiting list, if you are serious about a dog, is how you will get a small breed dog. So many people want them, it makes them hard to find. Alicat, I wish there could be relaxed restictions on people adopting, but many people would basically then just get a dog because it is cute or pretty and not think of the actual responsibility that comes with a dog. The restictions are important because we get dogs returned for dumb reasons now even after we inform people of all the responsibilities. Imagine how many dogs would come back if just anyone could have one (or be euthanized for being "bad"). I do wish everyone understood the responsibilities that come with dogs, but reality is we have to make sure people are responsible owners first. In a perfect world, where everyone knew the responsibilities of dog ownership, we would not have to check people first, but the reality is that the world is not perfect...I guess in a perfect world, no dog would be homeless, unwanted, or abused either, so then there would be no need for the whole adoption thing, but lets not think that hard (hurts too much!!!) :)
He's your friend,your partner,your defender,your dog.You're his life,his love,his leader. He will be faithful and true to the last beat of his heart.You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion
i've heard it can be frustrating to rescue. i also know that it can take a lot of time to find yourself the dog you want. small dogs disappear in lightning speed from shelters and rescues because of the demand. they are the least likely to be turned in. and if you have a specific breed or mix in mind it takes longer. as popular and plentiful as labs are i waited a year for my lab puppy. i waited months for my pug. my advice would be don't give up on the rescue/shelter thing. small dogs are in great demand. maybe many don't make it to the listings because of wait lists for when a certain breed comes in. or, be more flexible about the breed you want. are you on wait lists for certain breeds at shelters?
***Edited By: pearl on 2/22/2007 7:01:08 PM*** Reason: x
I'm writing to condemn the action of locking out the OP for 24 hours. Such actions do nothing but freeze out any possibility of a free exchange of opinion. I don't expect any show of support. People who would have been inclined to agree have pretty much been chased off over time. This thread illustrates the cancer of the forum: Minority opinions are systematically shut down and locked out and ridiculed and punished, supposedly because of the tone they take, though the tone is nearly always a direct result of a lot of taunting and name-calling on prior threads. At the same time, those who hold the majority viewpoint are free to be as hostile and sarcastic as they wish. If I were still in school I'd use the forum as material for a paper in sociology or civics. It stands as a real-world demonstration of how dissidents are run off, isolated and silenced, and how single-party tyrannies emerge.
I guess my feelings on turning families away (which is only a small part of what op was complaining about), is that from what everyone says thousands upon thousands of dogs/cats never make it out of kill shelters.
To me, that would be an emergency situation. If something is a life and death emergency, maybe you try things and people that may or may not work out. If you gave 100 'risky' families a dog or cat and 50 were returned, then 50 still had homes permanently and 100 had homes temporarily.
Just as not all families are not good, not all rescue animals are good. It is just my thoughts that as long as the animal is safe from harm and not being killed in a kill shelter after a week--that is an improvement and luckier than those that don't.
I did real adoptions for abused and neglected children. As long as the children were safe and loved that was great, but even a fairly large percentage of those children were returned. Some the parents fault, some children were just very messed up from abuse/neglect that I doubt many people would want them in their home. I know I wouldn't want my pets sexually abused and my house set on fire.
In adopting out children, if any one applies for a child waiting in the system with out a home, the social worker has to PROVE why the family would be worse for the child than in the limbo of the foster care system. Who do rescue workers answer to if they arbitrarily deny a family? What is the appeals process?
My point is that a lot of people are really judgmental. Just as I always say on here, agree with me or not, they are all just opinions. I have opinions, you have opinions. Doesn't necessarily make one right or the other wrong.
Just because some one has a different living situation or a different way of caring for animals that you don't agree with, it is very unlikely that an animal is going to end up in a TRULY abusive or neglectful situation. Even mediocre pet owners are better than being killed. Rigid standards may be great for the few animals that actually get adopted, but leave a lot more in shelters to die than if people could separate their OWN pet ownership standards and base their decisions on BASIC standards of care.
Again, JMO. I know that rescue workers are trying to do a good, noble thing. They wouldn't be doing it with out an intense love for animals. I imagine most become very attached to the animals they rescue and rescuing in general. Which is a good thing--just saying it may be more effective if they could look at it from a slightly different perspective.
Boxers are like cookies you can't have just one :)
"This thread illustrates the cancer of the forum: Minority opinions are systematically shut down and locked out and ridiculed and punished, supposedly because of the tone they take, though the tone is nearly always a direct result of a lot of taunting and name-calling on prior threads. At the same time, those who hold the majority viewpoint are free to be as hostile and sarcastic as they wish. "
I'm sorry if you feel if their was any name calling. I speak for myself, when I say I am simply tired of persons who have the "I need a rescue dog right this instance, why don't you have it for me now?" approach.
When experiencing how many dogs get placed BACK into shelters when they are given to owners who have this exact attitude; rush in, need it right now, make promises, sign papers, promise the world... it's really sickening and does cause me, along with other rescuers, to become a bit hardened.
Possibly by giving this person the time to cool off they will be able to express themselves in a more civilized or at least calmer manner... (maybe this is even what the shelter/Vet is doing to this person) and ask for advice. Yes maybe that is the cancer of forum, people do not want to be attacked starting off especially on a weekday...
&& I hope I am not discouraging anyone from typing their opinion, it is when it becomes attacking that the yellow flag must come out...
*In response to the post above me* Please Remember also this is not an object we are giving out... As you worked with chilren I'm sure you can also understnd that this is a living breathing creature that hurts, feels, sees the works.
Rescue Animals need to be placed with an appropriate family. Those dogs from the puppymill that were rescued most likely had to go straight to seek medical attention and then to screened people who are prepared for what is to come... Maybe the shelter doesn't feel the woman is ready for this type of animal or possibly not these dogs because they have been through little or no training...
I wish I could say screening people always works out but the reality is it doesn't, and when it doesn't we have to try again much to the MENTAL and sometimes PHYSICAL dismay of the animal, just like chilren. Try rescuing a young pitt/lab pup from an abusive situation and sticking it with a family they usually need rehabilitation and testing first, which all takes a lot of time.
However when we don't screen as we have seen in the past the consequences are SO much worse; ranging from highly abusive situations, starvation, dogs being thrown into dog fighting, being sold in the paper under free only to be bought by labs, you name it it is out their believe me.
We do not even do as an extensive screening as I would like but we are able to do a little: and every little bit helps, I suppose. I do feel very strongly about screening people and I understand how wonderful it is to get a puppy right away, but having a rescue dog means they have been rescued for a reason, and good or bad, potential adopters will just have to wait.
***Edited By: azynda on 2/22/2007 8:50:08 PM*** Reason: Sorry I didn't read the corrections all the way through...
I'm with monk...definitely petfinders. Stay away from pet stores. My sis is a Vet and sees way too many problems with animals in her office that we purchased from pet stores and came with little to no guarantee and were probably gotten from puppy mills. Even if it's not what you want...you may find something else on Petfinders. If you have disabilities then maybe you can find an older dog that has been trained as a working dog for that purpose. You'd be real surprised. We didn't find our dream dog of an AKC boxer from a reputable breeder that we could afford...so we are waiting on that and when that time comes..so be it, but we're getting the next best thing come saturday. Come to find out our babies mom looks to be a spaniel beagle mix (beautiful coat) and the dad was an AKC white boxer. The pup we are getting is all white. Gorgeous as you see, and regardless of any problems she will have, we will take it one step at a time. Patience is a virtue. I too am in MO
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Joan, no one has silenced you. You have been free with your opinions, even when they aren't the same as other posters or the forum in general.
When a poster continually makes consistantly rude & nasty posts, challanges the mod's decisions and persists, they can be banned. Period. Rather than banning, a 24 hour time out is a way to give that poster time to think and perhaps reword things when they post. No one is asked to change their opinions, only they way they express them.
# Please treat others with respect. # Respect the Moderators and our staff.
I have no problem with the OP's rant on rescue. I DO, however, have a problem with the tone towards other members AND the comments directed at the mods.
***Edited By: pyrmom on 2/23/2007 5:26:54 AM*** Reason: *
"Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful".