Lollie, we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one... I always laugh when people talk about side effects from vaccinating. The risk of side effects is so much lower than the number of people who would get the disease and die from it that it's crazy not to vaccinate... But that is a totally different topic...
You very obviously don't know what you're talking about on multiple levels and came to start trouble. Have fun...
I have found this thread very fun. Reminds me of a few I started awhile back. Anyways I was wondering if it is so important for the government to pass these overreaching feel good laws to protect the innocent helpless puppies, how come there hasn't been any laws to protect human babies from circumcisions? There"s no real strong medical evidence that it has any real purpose. It is just as much as a traditional needless procedure as tail docking yet there no do gooders passing intrusive laws to protect my children. Were are are priorities?
The nuttballs not vaccinating their kids is why there is a measles outbreak around here right now. The only reason you don't vaccinate children(who by the way catch everythign and can die quickly from something) is if a brother or sister had a reaction.
Interesting, I think of tail/dew removal like circumscision too, which I also had done to my son. I did educate myself to both sides of the debate and I was pissed when the doctor didn't want him sedated and said I would have to take him to another hospital to have it done (not likely), but the pain was quick and brief and he turned out just fine, just like the puppies do.
alicat....lol...sounds like me...when my son was born...i made the doctors life h*** over it. I wanted articles and medical back up on pro's and cons, side effects, pain, etc. Also nagged for a whole day about numbing, etc. I thought the doctor would blow before we came to a decision....all turned out fine, I'd do it again. (this was prior to going to nursing school) I was young and freaked about the whole thing.....since, I have assisted with them after birth even.
And all I have to say is whether it's for show or working purpose I WILL be having my dobes ears done the day after I get him. Why? Because I want him to look like a traditional dobe. He's going to be the protector of my home and I want him to serve that purpose. Yes he's also a family pet, but he also has a job...to scare the hell out of who ever trys to enter my home...And the ears and tail go along with the look.
Call me what you want but that's why I'm doing it. And I'm paying alot for it too so I must care enough to get him the best care during this procedure.
A lot of you people can be so rude. Just because some one differs in opinion the person gets attacked. What a nice welcome. I have to totally agree with Lollie, as I stated before earlier in this thread.
i dont think that alot of people here are rude . some just have a different way of expressing themselves. same as having a difference of opinion , really. when someone comes here and spams the board with totally off the wall topics, then they keep returning under different usernames, i find it hard to place any credibilty in anything they have to say. i would much rather have someone give an honest opinion, be it blunt or not, than have them altering their identities and lollie-gagging around the issues. call me rude because i dont take the opinion of someone who has yet to figure out her own identity , let alone give out advice? ......so be it.
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rednosered,re read her first post and tell me that how someone should come on a forum. its completely uncalled for. She could have said why she was against it in a calm mannor and not sounded like a nutt and it would have been fine. But then she goes on a rant about not vaccinating kids,thats a little odd.
Opinions are opinions ,we all have one. As far as vacinating ,I believe it's the law to vacinate your children.It prevents deadly diseases such as polio and so forth. That does not even fit in with this discussion.I don't know ,that was strange .
***Edited By: rednosered on 5/15/2006 11:14:54 PM*** Reason: add on.
Maybe I get po'ed when people say dumb stuff cuz I loved doing debates in high school:) I could argue for any side of anyhting and not sound like an irrate madwomen. thats why I get the side for not docking,yet I agree more with docking. I understand why people feel that way,even if I don't agree with it. I don't get mad cuz they have an opinion. I get mad because they point fingers and say we areA.)messing with god B.)mutilating or abusing our dogs or C.)Go on a rant that has nothing to do with it and end it with soemthing like,i'm better than you or I am smarter(when that usually obviously not true:)
vaccine laws are screwy. You can get around them. If anyone has heard about the measles mess lately its got a bunch of schools in an uproar finding out kids are not vaccinated. there are kids who don't need it(like ones who have had a sibling with a reaction) but if other kids get away with not getting it they are more of a risk to the kids who genuinely can not get them.
If you don't vacinate your children ,then you're messing with their health and the health of other children that come in contact with them . It's a dangerous game to play. A childs health and well being is above all else.
And.......back to NYC and Westminster. On the show boxer e-mail list I belong to they are already talking about it and how boxers and other docked/cropped dogs would not be able to show. They quoted this part of the proposed law.
2. ANY PERSON WHO SHOWS OR EXHIBITS AT ANY DOG SHOW OR OTHER LIKE EXHIBITION IN THIS STATE A DOG, THE TAIL OF WHICH HAS BEEN CUT OR OPERATED UPON IN THE MANNER REFERRED TO IN SUBDIVISION ONE OF THIS SECTION, IS GUILTY OF A MISDEMEANOR, PUNISHABLE BY IMPRISONMENT FOR NOT MORE THAN ONE YEAR, OR BY A FINE OR NOT MORE THAN FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS, OR BY BOTH.<<<<<
********************* Basically they are warning every one who GOES to shows even from out of State is at risk of being arrested, fines and imprisionment. NUTS. I personally think that every one should boycott NY shows this year and give them a sample of what it would be like next year.
***Edited By: alicat1 on 5/16/2006 8:05:09 AM*** Reason: ad