Alicat - I'm frugile as well. What you said about yourself - I fall into the same category. Last month, I bought myself my first pair of new jeans in 4 years. I haven't been to a movie in 2 years. I don't go out to eat unless I have no other choice (I got snowed into town once while picking up supplies and ended up having to stay in town). My Mom & I SHARE a car and split the payments...
But the thing is that I am SAVING money feeding the Super Premium food. And I'm serious. I have quite a few dogs (or my family and I do between our 4 households) so we REALLY notice when we save on something.
I just don't cut corners where I don't HAVE to. Some of my dogs have the same toys they have had since puppyhood (each new addition gets 3 toys - and I don't pay over $1.50 a toy). But heartworm preventative is purchased every month like clockworm regardless of whether I can afford it. I'll rinse the shampoo bottle out one more time for myself before I'll let the dogs go without something I feel benefits their health.
And truthfully, I've never met a dog on Purina that didn't look like it could use some good supplements. I think if you HAVE to feed Purina the Pro Plan is about the only one I would consider okay. But again, for what you're spending in the long run (per month/per year) you can do better.
And I would never feed a lesser quality food because my dog likes it better. Those foods are sprayed with fats to make them more palatable. You're going to think your dog is being picky when you initially switch to a Super Premium food because they eat THAT MUCH left.
I have a bag of Purina Puppy Chow sitting in a tub in my shed from back when my Dad got his last Aussie puppy. Her breeder was feeding Purina. What Puppy Chow tells you to feed of their food is DOUBLE - or more - what Canidae says to - and considering that both foods are rounding up because they want to sell more food - that's pretty interesting. The only way you're saving money feeding Dog Chow is if you're spending 1/4 of what I'm spending per pound.
Well speaking personally I swapped my dogs from IAMS to Canidae and didnt' ahve good results at all. I know I'm not the only one who's had a bad experience with a premium brand food. I decided to give another premium food a go, but others might not, especially when you're paying $35+ for a bag.
This is why I am a big proponent of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". Cause I *tried* to fix it and had bad results.
Minniyar - Can I ask what your negative experience was? I agree not every food works best for every dog - I just know that my switch from a lower quality food to a Super Premium food knocked my socks off.
AbbyLynne- You know if I had another breed of dog that was less picky I would probably agree with you, but like I said in an earlier post boxers are different. They will starve themselves before they will eat something they don't like. Food is not that important to them. I took every ones advice on dropping the canned food and a few of my dogs got in terrible condition. Basically they 'won' the food war.
I think nutritionally (not talking about the fact that yes they may be eating fillers and additives), because I suppliment they are getting what they need nutritionallyas much as with a premium food.
I am spending less per pound even with the suppliments added because besides sponsoring breed specific genetic testing, Purina gives huge discounts for breeders based on how much food they feed/ weight circles they turn in. I probably get at least 1 week per month of food for free, and that also is a financial factor and gives incentive to stick with Purina and just suppliment.
I know that not every good food works well with all dogs. Riley didnt do good with Innova, and Jasmine didnt do good with Chicken Soup. They both did very well on Natural Balance, but even better on raw. So I've finally found a match. If I ever went back to kibble I think I'd stick to SMALL bags, I've had to get rid of so much unused kibble its sad lol.
consistently soft and grainy stool after a couple of months of feeding, Ramoth (my akita at the time) her coat looked dull and just.. not healthy. Bowen had the soft stool too but his coat at least was shinier.
Personally, I give my dog what he wants. I buy him Iams, Purina, Beneful, Table scraps, etc....whatever he wants. Because just like me he wants variety and not just in flavor but in texture and taste. And I haven't had to take him to the vet in 5yrs for any illness. Matter of fact, other than rabies he doesn't go to the vet and when he does the vet can't find a thing to comment about...with exception of how well behaved he is.
I treat my dog like I do myself and my children.....our bodies tell us what is good and what works. And just like us our dogs know what works...and they'll let you know what doesn't.
Echo is 6yrs old and has a great coat, is full of energy, and healthy as an ox. So in my opinion....you should let your dog guide you with your decision.
I seriously doubt any of your pets work as hard as my husbands Coonhounds and they eat Hi-Tek and are thriving so the Anit broke dont fix mentality is working for me. The grass is greener on the other side because theres a septic tank there too!LOL!
Got Husky and Dutchess ditto . You guys said it the best. Also to add i'm probably one of the most frugile ,cheapest person you'll ever meet. If I don't have to spend money ,I wont.I'll find some other way.
Minniyar - thanks for the reply. That's crazy about your dog's stools on Canidae. One of the things I've noticed since I switched to it was that their stools are nicer than they have ever been (should have seen what a mess they were on Science Diet!).
May be one of these topics that we all have to agree to disagree on. I'll never switch mine back to a lesser quality food. And I wouldn't recommend Purina to anyone. In fact, I actually won't place a puppy with a family that is going to feed Iams or Purina or anything on that level. Maybe it is a breed thing - Shelties just do much much better on a high quality food.
Duch I'll take that bet! ;-) Your dogs run straight lines, mine will work that straight 10 differant ways! By midseason if I'm not feeding Hi-Energy they will lose weight, not to mention they need it to sustain or they just get flat pooped out.
***Edited By: foosdog on 5/31/2006 2:42:02 PM*** Reason: typo
GotHusky - I don't think it's unfair at all. I don't GIVE anyone a puppy - they purchase a puppy from me and agree to my terms as the breeder. And the families know before they agree to use me as a breeder what my expectations are concerning my homes. I run a 4-6 month wait for one of my puppies which allows me to be selective on their homes and I don't breed a litter unless I have most of the possible puppies spoken for before I breed the parents. I also have a vaccination schedule I expect to be followed, and my puppies are not allowed to get more than 5 lbs over or underweight. All of my families sign a release form, as do their vets, agreeing to let me speak with their vet to verify that the dog is being maintained in good condition - at the same time their vets know that they can contact me at anytime for any reason...
I think it's my choice as a breeder who I'm willing to place a puppy with. I don't think that Dog Chow or Iams (or foods that quality) provide sufficient nutrition to maintain a healthy dog and I want my puppies to go to homes where they will be given the best care. And honestly, if the family can't afford to feed a decent food, then how are they going to afford vet care, or training costs, or grooming costs?
I've gotten a lot of my families to switch their current dogs to a super premium food and I've only heard "thank you's" from them. One family had been having a heck of a time keeping their golden retriever at his ideal weight and when they switched to Eagle Pack they stopped having to struggle.
You think that's nuts... I found a breeder on the internet the other day that only offers a health guarantee if her buyers continue to give this specific vitamin...
You think that's nuts... I found a breeder on the internet the other day that only offers a health guarantee if her buyers continue to give this specific vitamin... ---------------------------- I have seen that too Abby...think it was Nutri-cal. You get a health guarantee for a year, but it is null and void if this vitamin supplement isnt given. Makes no sense, since either they will have gentic issues or not, the vitamin wont stop that.