I really hate these arguments about the canis panther, but please, try to find a byb of this breed. Trust me, you won't. Its not like they are taking a great dane female and breeding it to a doberman male, or a black lab to a staffordshire. Every puppy I've seen of this BREED looks the same and has the same temperment. Sounds like consistency to me. Also, I seriously doubt you are going to find very many of these dogs in animal shelters either. In order to even come across this breed you have to find them online, by doing your homework. You can't just look in your newspaper and find a breeder. There are only 3 in the country. I know for a fact that if you buy a female from one of those breeders you have to sign a contract to have her spayed or pay an extra 2000.00 to keep her intact, most people who want the breed, have their reasons, and they usually don't include the desire to breed. This dog isn't like the labradoodle breeders or other designer breeds popping up left and right from breeding one breed to a different breed everytime. The CPs have consistency in their temperment and appearance.
"As the economy goes down, crime goes up. Tuff Times call for a Tuff dog, bred for your family's protection. Innocent people are being robbed, raped, assaulted, murdered, battered, shot, stabbed, and maimed. Fact: There have been no burglaries in a home where a Canis Panter resides."
This sounds like a very intellegent and respectable breeder to me I also notice she holds many "certifications" but no actual degree, or any sort of position that take more than 2 weeks of training and the filing of crap paperwork to earn. Ever heard the phrase, "jack of all trades, master of none?"
The "breeder" herself produces four other breeds of "protection" dogs. Evidently the niche for this function is filled, so what is the purpose in breeding big black ill-proportioned dogs?
To scare people
Go to any shelter and you will find a plethera of big black scary mutt dogs, being put down because people are scared to adopt big black deformed looking (ill-proportioned) dogs. Why? In part, because of breeders and owners PROMOTING the fear of dogs with this appearence.
"Invest in a Canis Panter, Stop your fear of a predator trying to take away your life, your family, things that you work so hard for... everyone is psychologically afraid of being bitten by a dog, the bark alone has scared off many of intruders"
Now the big black scary mutt dogs in the shelters many not be the exact same big black scary mutt you paid hundreds or thousands of dollars for, but you will find a heck of a lot of big black scary lab mixes, amstaff mixes, apdt mixes, & dobe mixes that looks eeriely similar (hmm... wonder why?). Could've saved a lot of money and a life if you wanted a big black scary looking dog.
And anyone owning a big black scary looking dog should never allow it to run up to a fence at a person NO MATTER WHAT like in that video (and let's be serious, that looks like a wiffle bat, not a club! Like the dog would be able to distinguish burgler from small child from man all in black with facemask, all holding a wiffle bat). Forget lawsuits. If someone truely feels threatened by your scary looking dog, they are going to take matters into there own hands. Dora lost a classmate in her training class this fall, some idiot neighbor thought the poor pit-mix who has been through two obedience classes and well-socialized was a threat to his wife and family, because it would bark at them through the fence. Dog ended up shot and body dumped in a lake. RIP sweet Isis.
Ever watch "It takes a theif?" on Discovery channel? Dog are easily disposed of or got around by an experienced burglerer, not a deterent at all.
A pet should not be expected to protect you, you are its protector. Producing a new breed of dog only because it looks bigger, scarier, and more "tuff" than than the neighbor's is beyond ignorant. That one would feel safer handling a dog that is beyond their ability to control is contrdictory. If you have that kind of money to blow, buy a home security package, take self defense classes, or move out of fricken ghetto.
Promoting dogs as home or personal protection to the general public, scares me. It doesn't matter what kind of dog it is. I realy don't see how that any different from keeping pitbulls or Rotties chained in front of a crackhouse. It raises the likelyhood of someone being sued for having a vicious dog and a poorly trained protection dog gives their breed a bad name. You should really try to catch an episode of "It takes a Theif." The only way having a dog is a deterrent to these UNARMED guys, is when there is an abundance of Beware of Dog signs. They figure the neighborhood is too trashy for them to bother with. That's their opinion not mine. By the way those signs are often seen by the courts as an admission that the owner knew their dog was dangerous. Most people have no clue how to handle a protection dog. I'm offended when someone asks if my dog is a gaurd dog or if I got him for that. While I feel safer, having a large dog with me on walks and in my home, Harley is soooo much more than a thing I got just to protect my other things. If someone is going to murder me, why would they have a problem killing my dog anyway? Why not be a responsible, practical adult and protect your family (including the dog) with good locks, common sense and a security system of some type?
This thread takes a lickin and keeps on tickin. wow. I have been wondering what the person that came up with the NAME was thinking. Canis = Dog, Panther = Cat. So is it a dog ? cat ? dogcat ? catdog ? I think you guys are all wrong. I think its really a big killer cat,trapped in a dogs body, and i want one for halloween to scare off all the nasty little trick-or-treaters. The rest of the time he can chase off the mailman, UPS man, Fed-ex guy, bill collectors, my mother-in-law, and all the other unwanted relatives that i really dont want coming around.
All i have to do is mortgage my house , empty my bank account, and give up my first born son to own one ? Heck , its a done deal.........
"No Matter how little money and how few possessions, you own, having a dog makes you rich." - Louis Sabin
Dusty, since you are willing to go to such lengths to get one of these dog/cats, you may as well sell a couple body parts and buy an intact pair. Heck it's just a few thousand more and you can breed all you want and maybe buy back your first born son.
I have heard robbers and thieves detest the little yappy dogs they can't catch! I have two of those! My little Brussels Griffon will bark and bark, but you cannot catch her, if she doesn't want to caught! Same with my Chihuahua. But my big Mastiff does make me feel safe, even though I think she would just lay on her back for belly rubs and give kisses!
Way back when I was in college, a man broke into my dorm room and I woke up with a knife to my throat and him telling me not to scream. Pure gut reaction--I screamed my head off and he fled, but my life was forever changed. I do feel much safer at home alone at night with my 5 dogs, even though they are all very sweet and loving. My guard Pugs?!
I don't need or want the type of dog I could not trust to be around children, repair men, delivery men, etc. The liability is huge and just not worth it. How could you live knowing your dog mauled a child?
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read!! Groucho Marx
When someone asks if my dogs bite, I always reply, "They're dogs. They have teeth". Truth be told, they wouldn't hurt a flea, unless there was danger to one of their "flock". They are in fact guardians and will take on mountain lions, bears, cougars to protect their own.
Gentler dogs with children, even strange children, of all ages, you will not find. Then again, they have been soicialized with children of al ages and sizes since they were pups and the children have been socialized with dogs since they were infants.
"Some days you're the dog; some days you're the hydrant". author unknown
I realize that this conversation is from six years ago--but I feel compelled to point out that there are several other reasons that one might want a Canis Panther apart from desiring a "junkyard guard." What would draw someone to this "designer mutt?"
Well...for one thing, in addition to being inherently protective, they have smooth coats (unlike German Shepherds, for instance.) They also have tight lips, not as typically "drooly-jowled" as so many of the Rottweilers or Mastiffs out there. They are lean and athletic in build, so they are suitable as jogging companions, far more so than the heavier set breeds. Also, with the infusion of Labrador Retriever, they quite happily take to the water and they enjoy playing fetch games with the family.
Something to consider, is that the four "core breeds" comprising the Canis Panther are all adapted to urban living, considerably more than a lot of other breeds. These dogs are very affectionate and gentle and devoted with the family while maintaining their protective natures. They are highly trainable, like all four breeds in their genetic makeup. Add to that a lack of prey drive (they are not as dog-aggressive or predatory as, say, Pit Bulls or similar breeds tend to be, even though they do have American Staffordshire in their makeup to contribute to a game, athletic, temperament which lives to please its master.)
To create a breed like this, which is so admittedly young in its development, takes a careful attention to breeding detail--which is why only OFA cleared examples are bred...and why the breeders ensure that their pups do NOT grow up to be indiscriminately bred. (This is why there are basically no breeders; the prime kennel seeks to responsibly produce these pups only to quality homes with owners who are committed to the perpetual betterment of this breed.) Also, the one kennel that reputably breeds them, certainly DOES take back dogs that are not able to receive top-notch care. This is why you will pretty certainly never find a Canis Panther in a rescue league or an animal shelter.
I have been seeking a breed for twenty years that met all of my desired traits--and this is the ONLY one that met ALL nine of them. If you can think of ANY OTHER BREED that consistently meets ALL nine traits, then please, by all means, inform me!
1. Smooth coat (I mean "smooth," not "short" like a Lab or Rottie.) 2. "Non-drooly jowls" 3. Cuddly and affectionate behavior with family 4. Suitability as a jogging companion 5. Suitability as a swimming companion 6. High receptivity to training 7. Calm and quiet behavior indoors (while energetic outdoors) 8. Healthy genetics (prone to no real issues) 9. Low-prey drive and dog aggression (can be easily socialized to get along with other animals and lacks a tendency to be an escape artist or to roam or to scrap or to hunt)